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<title>Re: Regrets and baby names</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208903,209022#msg-209022</link><description><![CDATA[My ex had some friends who named their first kid Mitchell. It was a perfectly fine name, but the mother ended up hating it, b/c he "just doesn't seem like a 'Mitchell.'" I do agree that the name we're given actually is something that we grow into - it shapes our personalities in some way, but the kid was barely a toddler... and it didn't seem like a terrible name to me. Besides... you can always eat crow and change the kid's name legally, or give him/her a nickname.]]></description>
<dc:creator>fade_to_pale</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:43:26 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Huh, I wound up in a tit-nazi-related article on buzzfeed</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209020,209021#msg-209021</link><description><![CDATA[That Twitter avatar offends my gag reflex.]]></description>
<dc:creator>mr grayling</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:41:42 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Huh, I wound up in a tit-nazi-related article on buzzfeed</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209020,209020#msg-209020</link><description><![CDATA[I can't stop laughing. I wish the author included more tweets of mine, I had more to say!<br /><br />http://www.buzzfeed.com/annanorth/does-this-twitter-avatar-offend-you]]></description>
<dc:creator>juliewashere88</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:39:13 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: I have no tolerance for neighborhood assholes</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209004,209019#msg-209019</link><description><![CDATA[This generation only thinks things like interrupted satellite/phone/internet/cable service are nuisances. They can't fathom that there's something called highly inappropriate behaviour and noise pollution, and that people get pissed off about it.<br /><br />He'll get himself "mest up" about something, but he won't make the connection to how he was acting like a total douche, and why you didn't appreciate it.]]></description>
<dc:creator>fade_to_pale</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:29:25 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: 5 (BS) Reasons Moos Are Great Employees</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208674,209018#msg-209018</link><description><![CDATA[Even in my younger years, when I went to clubs and rock concerts, I never showed up drunk or hungover. I always showed up on time and did my work.<br /><br />And I do not wear flip flops or show off my cleavage. I do not pepper my speech with a bunch of "ums" and "likes." And though I do have a small tattoo on my ankle, it is pretty unnoticeable. However, I once worked with a single mom who had a tattoo on her flabby, stretch marked stomach that said "Enjoy" and had an arrow pointed towards her crotch. I wish I was kidding.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Jennifer K</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:23:30 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Judging Moos and Brats in Supermarkets</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208852,209016#msg-209016</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>yurble</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>gnarler</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>and nine times out of ten this condemnation of parenting falls on mothers. Why?</div></blockquote><br />She answers her own question in the very next paragraph:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>Whenever you say you don’t like children in public space you’re also saying you don’t want their mothers in that public space. Because guess who looks after children? Women, by vast majority are the primary care givers in our society.</div></blockquote><br />Dumb cow. :rolleyes2</div></blockquote><br />Exactly. If she has complaints about the fact that most of the complaints are made about mothers, perhaps she should talk to her fellow mothers and encourage them not to breed with men who won't take up half of the responsibility of child-rearing. My reaction is not sexist--it is a response to the sexism these mothers have already accepted into their own lives at a very personal level.<br /><br />When both parents are present, and are equally ineffectual, I will blame them both. When an unattended child is being a nuisance, I think "Where are its parents?"<br /><br />So if I'm saying "fucking moo" more often than I'm saying "fucking duh" it is because breeder women are more often in charge of their offspring...and that's the situation that they accepted. Women in countries where contraceptives are widely available are always complicit in accepting the distribution of childcare offered by a particular partner if they decide to reproduce with that partner.</div></blockquote><br /><br />I have such a crush on you right now :blush]]></description>
<dc:creator>trekkie monster</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:57:47 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Judging Moos and Brats in Supermarkets</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208852,209014#msg-209014</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>blackpearl</strong><br/>
Basically feminism nowadays is the opposite of what real feminism was about: offering women choices and chances. Now it seems that feminism has transformed into a let's turn all women into moos because that's the real empowerment. I've even heard that the childfree movement is mysoginist because we put mothers down:rolleyes2 Riiight....</div></blockquote><br />ITA. I think we are kind of at the brink of feminists not supporting CF because it means we are not accepting our empowerment or are afraid of embracing our womanhood to its godlike extreme- giving liiiiife.<br /><br />Also before the sluicing we are supposed to embrace our feminitity by wearing little clothing and exposing as much of our feminine parts as is legal. Then after sluicing we can expose ourselves even more, under the guise of feeding the loaf.<br /><br />I do believe a rational, objective CF woman is the enemy of feminism today.]]></description>
<dc:creator>blondie</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:45:42 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Attachment parenting limits equality - but we shouldn't blame the mothers</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208964,209010#msg-209010</link><description><![CDATA[i am not looking forward to dealing with the stunted sociopaths that these ridiculous moos will produce in 30 years.<br /><br />then again i'll probably be tucked away in an RV somewhere in mexico. :rolleyes2]]></description>
<dc:creator>myrna minkoff</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:24:32 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Duh of 30 says he needs a break on child support</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208851,209009#msg-209009</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>stillcrazy4cats</strong><br/>
How low of an IQ must these hobags have if they think lying down with a guy that has dozens of sprogs that he doesn't take care of is going to get them anywhere (especially considering that he makes $7.00/HR) ? The stupid hurts so bad. Every once in a while I watch the Maury Paternity Game. I love when one man is being tested for six different woman's welfare baybees and the man shows up with his current ho. She is always so proud and gloating about her fake ring to other women. Who would claim that "man"? Why on earth does she think her fate is going to be any different from the other hobags?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly!! Maury 's " show" is nothing but the daily dose of "who my baby daddy" . Digusting people.]]></description>
<dc:creator>eaglepoke56</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:19:35 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: I have no tolerance for neighborhood assholes</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209004,209008#msg-209008</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>“Dunt git yo-sef mest up!”</div></blockquote>
:kill<br /><br />Yes, it's that time of year. They are all coming out. I think it's going to be a bad year, my mailbox already got smashed down and summer isn't even here.]]></description>
<dc:creator>blondie</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:18:47 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Duh of 30 says he needs a break on child support</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208851,209007#msg-209007</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>stillcrazy4cats</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/> AlSmood<br />I've got an idea - How about he quits his 1 minimum wage job and babysits the 30 kids so the 11 moms can go out and earn 11 minimum wages? Then at the end of the day, he'd be too tired to make any new babies.</div></blockquote><br /><br />LOL! Great idea Smoodie. That would actually be legal because adult to child childcare ratios do not apply when it's a family member watching them. Years ago here in AZ, neighbors called CPS because a grandmoo was watching dozens on her own grandspawn daily, but they couldn't do anything about it. How would you like to live next-door to that?</div></blockquote><br />OMG! I never thought of that. Why bother having a chyld care ratio rule if it isn't applied across the board? Someone could make a case out of that.<br /><br />I did have a moo/granmoo with scumbag kyds as a neighbor. She watched some of the grandsprog, had some there all the time and actually wanted custody of some more. Then her son was killed in a drug deal and she wanted his kyds even though their moo had them. Seriously, gross. Then she went public with her story, looking for sympathy. Grandmoos think they are the shit, and that no rules should apply to them. I'm starting to dislike em more than moos.]]></description>
<dc:creator>blondie</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:03:30 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Why do so many popular baby names rhyme</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208386,209006#msg-209006</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Snark Shark</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>nosilla</strong><br/>
I saw one the most stupidest made-up names yesterday on Toddlers and Tiaras...Damitri'ana</div></blockquote><br />:hilarious<br /><br />how'zzat pronounced? "Dammit, Rianna!"</div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Dimitrij, a Klingon raised by Humans, and Ana had a baby. Unfortunately, their imagination leaves a lot to be desired :hilarious]]></description>
<dc:creator>trekkie monster</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:01:45 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>I have no tolerance for neighborhood assholes</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209004,209004#msg-209004</link><description><![CDATA[Last night at something like 10pm, someone started blaring their horn outside my townhome unit complex. It wasn’t just an occasional beep, he was keeping his hand on the horn for long periods, releasing, doing a few quick honks, and doing it again. The whole time, the sound kept moving. He was circling the block. This went on for something like 10 minutes before I couldn’t take it anymore and ran outside. I caught the guy circling and waved him down. He actually had the nerve to look at me like I was the problem.<br />I yelled at the asshole (for one thing, I was pissed,  but I also wanted to make sure the neighbors heard, for my own safety, ) and asked him just how retarded he was (some people will criticize this as ablest, but in this circumstance, I didn’t much care,)  and told him I’d call the cops. He shouted something like “Dunt git yo-sef mest up!” and “Call da cops!” but when I waved my phone, he sped off, leaving the area with another blast of his horn, like a douche. It was dark and I didn’t want to get too close to the car, so I couldn’t get a good description of it let alone a license plate, else I really would have called the cops. He was being an intentional nuisance, and it wouldn’t have surprised me if he was drunk too.<br />The driver was a male, either an older teen or something in the young 20’s, I’d guess, and clearly was not raised right. This is our current generation, ladies and gentlemen. These are the kind of losers today’s parent s are raising.]]></description>
<dc:creator>juliewashere88</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:52:34 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Bunch Of Church-Going Hypocrites</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?7,209001,209001#msg-209001</link><description><![CDATA[Some church person just knocked on my door to try to invite me to their church meetings, and I managed to get away by saying that my phone was ringing in the other room. Heres the hypocrite part: apparently theres a lot of people in my area, which is rural but still ghetto-like, that go to their church. Welfare oopsing breeder whores who sit on there porch all day smoking cigarettes and littering the yard with beer cans (and any other surface).<br />Is this some kind of daily religious ceremony or are these people just hypocrites?]]></description>
<dc:creator>kellic</dc:creator>
<category>The Patio</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:45:27 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Duh of 30 says he needs a break on child support</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208851,209000#msg-209000</link><description><![CDATA[a vasectomy would have been so much cheaper. :dunce]]></description>
<dc:creator>myrna minkoff</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:38:25 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Walmoo return counter encounter</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208711,208996#msg-208996</link><description><![CDATA[The list of 'fail' goes on with my parents and my pets. Once we moved to the 'burbs' (when I was 13) I talked my parents into letting me get a kitten. When I brought home the kitten I also brought home another (not related) I had a boy and a girl. Now, with my father not wanting to put out the money and thinking that 'fixing' an animal is not 'naaatuuural' A year later we had 5 more kittens. One of the kittens went to a neighbor girl and I was in the process of finding homes for the other 4. My father suggested that I take a day trip with him one Saturday. When we got home, my mother had shipped the 4 kittens (only 7 weeks old) off to the shelter. Again.. my heart was broken.<br />My male cat died soon after that from weed killer my father put on the lawn... and the female ran away about 2 years later one day when my mother tried to give it a flea bath or something.<br />They wouldn't allow me any more than one parakeet from the time I was 16 till I was 20.<br />When I was 20 a friend of mine had a toy poodle who had pups. I wanted on in the worst way. My father was so against me bringing a dog into the house. He pitched a fit. The only thing that finally convinced him to let me get the dog was when my aunt (his sister) was on her death bed (she was CF btw) and one of the last things she told him was "let (me) get the dog" So I got my first poodle.<br />Now here's the 'kicker'. I got the dog and then my grandmother moved in with us. Both she and my father became very attached to him (his name was Tiger) When I got married and moved out 2 years later.. my father would NOT let me take Tiger with me!! They were too attached and would miss him too much. What about ME???<br />So I got another poodle...never got in pig... just kept getting poodles every 5 to 7 years. Mostly I had 2 at a time... and a couple times I had 3 at a time. My parents hounded me about 'grandkids' . Well, I finally had my dogs and and nobody was going to take them away from me. I told my parents 'You have 'grandpoodles...deal with it' LOL!!<br />Yep, could be that the crap they put me through with my 4 legged fur buddies was a subconcious reason I never had human baybees. The not wanting to go through being inpig, the complete disinterest in screemin' brats and the fact that I had to work full time also played a role.]]></description>
<dc:creator>starlady</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:09:38 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Duh of 30 says he needs a break on child support</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208851,208994#msg-208994</link><description><![CDATA[All that this man has done has been intentional and I hope that not for a second, anyone, feels bad for this "inseminator". He needs to be jailed and placed into mandatory labor. He heeds to be forced to work around the clock to support all the kids he created.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Techie</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:07:10 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Pronatalist bribery does not increase fertility</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208971,208993#msg-208993</link><description><![CDATA[Well, maybe 50 years on women have realized they can do better things with their life instead of changing diapers. Seriously, its unfair that people can receive all those benefits just for having kids when no one else can (though everyones paying taxes). A kid should be a luxury like anything else: can feed them, don't breed them.]]></description>
<dc:creator>kellic</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 09:55:47 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Attachment parenting limits equality - but we shouldn't blame the mothers</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208964,208992#msg-208992</link><description><![CDATA[How is being enslaved to a child any different than being enslaved to a man? Still your whole life is lived for another person instead of becoming your own person. So pathetic. If thats what breeding for women entails I'm glad I'll never be experiencing it.]]></description>
<dc:creator>kellic</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 09:52:16 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Regrets and baby names</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208903,208988#msg-208988</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>Psychologists are finding that more choices often lead to more <b>paralysis</b> and regret</div></blockquote><br />WHAT?<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>If Mom or Dad simply feels that their 6-week-old just doesn't seem like a Jude, it may be prudent to relax.</div></blockquote><br />Good lord, the things breeders worry about. A six week old kid doesn't even have a personality yet.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Ketchup</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 09:25:23 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Attachment parenting limits equality - but we shouldn't blame the mothers</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208964,208982#msg-208982</link><description><![CDATA[I did a google search on Dr. Bill Sears, "the guru of attachment parenting" and went to his official website. He doesn't really state anywhere that mothers should not work; in fact, he has suggestions for working mothers. He also writes that mothers need "baby breaks" and that the father should also be an active caregiver.<br /><br />So my conclusion is, a lot of these women just look for excuses not to work or properly interact with adults. It's just like that commenter stated: Bed.Made.Lie]]></description>
<dc:creator>LucyTrainWreck</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 08:38:41 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Walmoo return counter encounter</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208711,208978#msg-208978</link><description><![CDATA[to the batshit insane (didn't we know that cats/dogs can be used as "familiars" for Wiccans?).<br /><br />***<br />WTF?? That's a new one on me. Some people watch too many movies. I also think that when moos sluce their imagination goes haywire.]]></description>
<dc:creator>starlady</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 07:50:27 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Pronatalist bribery does not increase fertility</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208971,208971#msg-208971</link><description><![CDATA[A rather <a href="http://www.prb.org/articles/2001/quebecsalternativetopronatalism.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >old but interesting article</a> directly counters the sort of nonsense we've seen elsewhere on this board: claims that <a href="http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208343" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >government policies limit the number of children a woman has</a>.<br /><br />The article discusses how fertility has traditionally been seen as a means of ensuring the survival of a particular culture (in this case, French Canadians), but in recent years there has been a decline in fertility rates. The local government tried several measures to make parenthood more attractive: a payment for newborns of CAD 500 for the first birth, CAD 1000 for the second, and CAD 8000 for each subsequent child; a family allowance for all children under 18; an additional allowance for children under 6; 27 weeks of paid leave with the birth of every child after the first two (in addition to the 15 weeks of benefits previously mandated); a CAD 7000 interest-free loan for families with two or more children to purchase a first home. In total, it added up to CAD 4 billion annually in direct and income tax assistance. <span style="color:#CC0066">Holy fuck, I am glad I don't live there!</span><br /><br />Nonetheless, these policies did not have the desired effect:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
[There was] growing awareness that Quebec's incentive policies were not producing the expected birth increases. Although there was an initial increase in the late 1980s in the total fertility rate from 1.49 children per woman in 1988 to 1.72 in 1990, after 1990 total births decreased, and families with three or more children remained uncommon. Overall, policies favoring third and subsequent children were viewed increasingly as contrary to the needs of most families.</div></blockquote><br />This is something all these pro-natalist governments and breeders ought to figure out:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
Clearly, promoting higher fertility has not been effective for the past half-century. Like many other modern societies, Quebec faces a low birth rate and an aging population. The Quebec government cannot convince women to bear more children than they desire.</div></blockquote><br /><span style="color:#CC0066"><br />As a side note, it's nice to note that these policies did face some criticism, because they sound extremely prejudiced toward the rest of society:</span><br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
Reactions to these forms of direct financial assistance varied. Noninterventionists argued that fertility decisions were individual, not governmental, responsibilities. Some even charged that the pronatalists had invented a fertility crisis to advance the nationalist agenda. One scathing critique by feminist professor Heather Maroney of the University of Carleton charged that Quebec's pronatal policies marginalized women, reducing them to objects of demographic policy.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
<dc:creator>yurble</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 06:59:59 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Duh of 30 says he needs a break on child support</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208851,208969#msg-208969</link><description><![CDATA["Duh of 30 says he needs a break on child support"<br /><br />he needs a BROKEN NECK. scumbag.<br /><br />"1.49 a month in child support "<br /><br />they can't even buy a COMIC BOOK with that. "here's your monthly PACK OF GUM, kyds!"<br /><br />"the guy makes minimum wage (apparently $7.25 and hour in Tennessee)"<br /><br />ha! even I make more than he does!<br /><br />"AlSmood<br />I've got an idea - How about he quits his 1 minimum wage job and babysits the 30 kids so the 11 moms can go out and earn 11 minimum wages? Then at the end of the day, he'd be too tired to make any new babies."<br /><br />THIS.]]></description>
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<title>Re: Brats and their SCREAMING</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,206686,208966#msg-208966</link><description><![CDATA[""Tolerance and acceptance towards the laughing, screeching, singing and cries of children must be considered an absolute normality.""<br /><br />FUCK. THAT.<br /><br />"flock of seagulls"<br /><br />yeah, not many people still like that band.]]></description>
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<title>Re: it's ok to change sex but not to get sterilized</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208953,208965#msg-208965</link><description><![CDATA[You may self-actualise in the following ways. Deviations from this list are offensive, and forbidden.]]></description>
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<title>Attachment parenting limits equality - but we shouldn't blame the mothers</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208964,208964#msg-208964</link><description><![CDATA[In <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/18/attachment-parenting-guilt-mothers" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >a recent article</a>, an author speaks out against attachment parenting, describing it as a way of preventing women from achieving equality:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
I agree with French feminist Elisabeth Badinter, who, in her short, sharp polemic The Conflict, argues that intensive, obsessive mothering bodes ill for women's equality. As long as women's primary focus is domestic, men will run the world and make the rules... Dr Bill Sears, guru of attachment parenting and, not incidentally, a devout Christian, is fairly explicit that mothers shouldn't have jobs – he even suggests that couples borrow money from their parents to enable the wife to stay home.</div></blockquote><br />She also points out that this will not produce well-adjusted children:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
Not only is this arrangement bad for women; I don't think it's necessarily good for children either – being hovered over constantly and obliged to serve the emotional needs of an adult who has blocked herself from normal adult modes of pleasure and accomplishment. (One woman profiled in Time has even given up her friends. The only time she let anyone else care for her baby was when she was in labour producing another.) What does attachment parenting tell daughters about how big their dreams should be? How does it teach sons not to expect women to cater to their every whim? How does it teach any child that the world does not revolve around him or her? It's true that only a tiny number of families practice attachment parenting to the full – there are only 5 million stay-at-home mothers in the whole country, and most of them are either very wealthy or very poor – but its ideals are pervasive: As Badinter puts it, Baby is king; Mom is servant.</div></blockquote><br />I could agree with her on the two previous statements, but of course her solution comes down to more accomodation for women who breed:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
Badinter blames intensive mothering for distorting feminism and pulling women back into the home. But one could also say it's a socially approved way of withdrawing from a workplace that, in addition to all the usual sorrows and pains, has been sexist in general and hostile to mothers in particular, and of resolving the frustrations of the double day – women's greater domestic burden.</div></blockquote><br />I see she's able to demonstrate exactly what Badinter was talking about in the first sentence, by the end of the paragraph. That's a pretty clear example of hijacking feminism into mommyism.<br /><br />More lowing:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
Where Badinter goes wrong is that she blames women for adapting to this unjust state of affairs by moralising their own subjection and making it the basis for their identity. This lets men off the hook yet again.</div></blockquote><br />Oh, I see. So a person bears no responsibility if their decisions perpetuate inequality at a personal level. Women can't be expected to say: "If a man doesn't consider me an equal, I won't be with him, even if it means being alone" or "If my partner isn't prepared to take on half of the child-rearing chores, I won't reproduce with him--even if it means that I won't have children." With all this complicity, I wonder how she expects anything to change.<br /><br />Why can't we just call these women what they really are: collaborators in the war for equality.<br /><br />Check the comments for oommph, who is childfree, and, as usual, cuts through the bullshit with a variation of "Bed. Made. Lie."]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 05:22:08 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: This shit always pissed me off...why should the preggies get a big-ass tip? :X</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208945,208963#msg-208963</link><description><![CDATA[That thread actually gets sort of funny.]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 04:52:42 -0400</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Brats and their SCREAMING</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,206686,208962#msg-208962</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>schrodinger</strong><br/>
It's funny how I can call the city Animal Control on a barking dog if it goes on too long (15 minutes, continuously) but I can't call anyone on a screaming brat if there is no actual abuse or harm to said brat.</div></blockquote><br />I remember a case in Germany where it was even determined that anti-noise laws didn't apply to children.<br /><br />:fu<br /><br />For a really biased article on the subject that will have you seething, try: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/16/germany-children-noise-law<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
But Germany's anti-child campaigners who fervently believe the next generation should be seen and not heard – at least not in their backyards – are finally being slapped down by new legislation on its way through parliament which is designed to protect children's right to be children.</div></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>
"Tolerance and acceptance towards the laughing, screeching, singing and cries of children must be considered an absolute normality."</div></blockquote><br />If a loud noise is giving me a headache or keeping me from sleeping, I don't care what the source is, I just want it to shut up. Sometimes it might be beyond anyone's control (thunderstorm, flock of seagulls) and then I just have to deal with it, but I see no reason not to address the problem if it is related to people (loud music, crying baby, barking dog).<br /><br />It does not surprise me to read in the article that people had set fire to daycares which were put in their neighborhood. Put anyone in a situation of constant stress (which is what constant loud noises are to many of us) and eventually they will snap and behave unpredictably. Noise restrictions are in place precisely to create a sensible compromise between the need to make noise (house repair, lawn work, etc) and the <b>need</b> for silence.]]></description>
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<title>Re: Judging Moos and Brats in Supermarkets</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,208852,208961#msg-208961</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>gnarler</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>and nine times out of ten this condemnation of parenting falls on mothers. Why?</div></blockquote><br />She answers her own question in the very next paragraph:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>Whenever you say you don’t like children in public space you’re also saying you don’t want their mothers in that public space. Because guess who looks after children? Women, by vast majority are the primary care givers in our society.</div></blockquote><br />Dumb cow. :rolleyes2</div></blockquote><br />Exactly. If she has complaints about the fact that most of the complaints are made about mothers, perhaps she should talk to her fellow mothers and encourage them not to breed with men who won't take up half of the responsibility of child-rearing. My reaction is not sexist--it is a response to the sexism these mothers have already accepted into their own lives at a very personal level.<br /><br />When both parents are present, and are equally ineffectual, I will blame them both. When an unattended child is being a nuisance, I think "Where are its parents?"<br /><br />So if I'm saying "fucking moo" more often than I'm saying "fucking duh" it is because breeder women are more often in charge of their offspring...and that's the situation that they accepted. Women in countries where contraceptives are widely available are always complicit in accepting the distribution of childcare offered by a particular partner if they decide to reproduce with that partner.]]></description>
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