I hear ya, Chrissie. Don't these idiots realise that BREEDING is permanent, as well? http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10444#msg-10444Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:30:46 -0400 Phorum 5.2.9a http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10680#msg-10680 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10680#msg-10680]]> Feh The Living RoomThu, 03 Aug 2006 12:14:58 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10674#msg-10674 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10674#msg-10674 KidFreeLuvnLife The Living RoomThu, 03 Aug 2006 10:39:31 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10604#msg-10604 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10604#msg-10604-------------------------------------------------------
> You can thank breedercentric state legislators and
> overzealous trial attorneys for the regulations
> requiring spouses to be informed or to consent
> prior to a sterilization procedure.>

Right. I also think most Western gubbermints err on the side of overpopulation vs. a country of happy, productive people that have free choice over their bodies. The fundie element just makes this goal easier to accomplish so those like Dubbya hide behind it. They see all the "side effects" of unemployment, poverty, etc...as a necessary evil in order to have more than enough workers. Sounds bleak, but that's the way I see it.


]]> lv67 The Living RoomWed, 02 Aug 2006 10:05:20 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10596#msg-10596 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10596#msg-10596 WaterLily The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 21:05:02 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10580#msg-10580 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10580#msg-10580 mercurior The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 15:19:01 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10577#msg-10577 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10577#msg-10577
]]> DrDanCorelli The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 15:14:55 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10571#msg-10571 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10571#msg-10571 india_darshan The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 14:15:10 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10570#msg-10570 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10570#msg-10570"You do know that if I become pregnant, I will do ANYTHING to get rid of it"
"My husband is in prison for child molestation"
"I killed a kid in Reno...just to watch it die. I'd do it again too."
"If I could, I would punch through my own abdomen, rip out my ovaries, burn them and salt the area so nothing would grow there"
"But you see, I don't want ANY children, so forcing me to have some I'll end up hating and abusing just so I can have a tubal doesn't make much sense, does it?"
"I am a whore. Seriously, people pay to have sex with me. Charles Manson's mother was a whore, and look how he turned out."
"I will make sure any children I do have, make your life a living hell"
"If I really decide I want a kid, I'd like a brown one from another country, if they're good enough for celebreties, they're good enough for me"
"I am so filled with hate for the rest of humanity, I often reach a state not unlike rigor mortis. Hey, you're right, I would make a great mother."


]]> Feh The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 14:06:32 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10569#msg-10569 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10569#msg-10569-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyway, only one doctor said that to me, and he
> seemed like a condescending little shit that I
> wouldn't WANT performing a surgery on me. Another
> of his wonderful lines was, "Well, you'll feel
> differently when you grow up and meet someone who
> loves you." Excuse me? What a tool!
>
Geez, I'd be so infuriated if a doc said that to me! Did Dr. Prick realize you already had a boyfriend, family, friends, etc, that love you right now? What are THEY-chopped liver?

And there you are-an adult seeing a doctor (paying HIS bills-no less) as opposed to a child coming in with their parent and he STILL acts so condescending! Fuck him.





>


]]> lv67 The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 13:55:08 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10567#msg-10567 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10567#msg-10567-------------------------------------------------------
> Chrissie_b, when I was a CHILD, I always knew I
> never wanted kids. You're not too young to know
> this. I hated baybee dolls and always said, "I'm
> NEVER having kids!!!" And of course, everyone
> said, "You'll change your mind." Never did. I'm
> 39 now.
>
>Same here- I also knew from way back. I could've told you at 10 the reasons why I didn't want kids & they'd basicly be the same reasons I still don't, and I'm 38 now. Hated baybee dolls, too.

Unless someone changes my DNA or rewires my brain, I don't forsee my mind ever changing, either. ]]> lv67 The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 13:34:00 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10565#msg-10565 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10565#msg-10565
That's completely ridiculous! Good to know, but ridiculous. I can honestly say that if Boyfriend decided today that he wants to have kids I'd be completely unwilling to budge. We have a great relationship in which compromises are sometimes necessary, BUT in the instance of whether or not to birth a child someone's life is getting ruined.

Anyway, only one doctor said that to me, and he seemed like a condescending little shit that I wouldn't WANT performing a surgery on me. Another of his wonderful lines was, "Well, you'll feel differently when you grow up and meet someone who loves you." Excuse me? What a tool!

]]> sociopathic The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 12:10:44 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10563#msg-10563 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10563#msg-10563-------------------------------------------------------
> It bothers me big time how women STILL have to get
> permission from the Almighty Husband for a tubal
> ligation. I have heard that there are some
> instances where a married man must do the same for
> a vasectomy. However, that is very rare. It is
> easier for a man to get the Big V without hassles
> from the medical community. Women's bodies are
> still now considered their own.

My husband just had the Big V last week and had to get my permission/signature. We're in Illinois & apparently it has the highest percentage of malpractice lawsuits, so that could be one reason.

When we asked the doc why he needed my permission he said in so many words that it's because many wives change their husband's minds & force their husbands to get a reversal. I had him clarify-these men were not pre-snipped before marriage-it was a mutual decision between 2 married people to begin with. He said a reversal is more invasive, expensive & not always going to work. What made me ticked was that the doc said the wives claimed their husbands "forced" these wives into agreeing to a V at first.

I told the doc I won't be falling into that demographic-thank you very much. These women are liars if you ask me. How manipulative they must be to suddenly start playing the poor wife who's hubby put one over on them when they both decided this in the first place. I guess they were potential oopsers that had to take it a step further.

And how pitiful that their husbands go through with it for them! If I was a man, that'd end it for me. ]]> lv67 The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 10:12:43 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10562#msg-10562 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10562#msg-10562-------------------------------------------------------
> It bothers me big time how women STILL have to get
> permission from the Almighty Husband for a tubal
> ligation. I have heard that there are some
> instances where a married man must do the same for
> a vasectomy. However, that is very rare. It is
> easier for a man to get the Big V without hassles
> from the medical community. Women's bodies are
> still now considered their own.

I noticed that if you go to the Planned Parenthood site (which claims to be an advocate for women's reproductive choice), you will notice a big difference in how tubals are marketed versus vasectomies. The info about tubals has a big list of reasons NOT to have a tubal, versus the vasectomy info, which just says make sure you don't want kids and get a consult the day before and you'll be OK.

It's ridiculous how hard it is to get sterilization if you are a woman - my husband doesn't believe me. I am almost 30 and he is pushing 50. I told him that his odds of getting sterilized are about 100X better than mine, not to mention my insurance won't even cover Essure because they say it's a "surgical" procedure (which it is not).

I hate the pill and fear it will be the death of me. It makes me feel like absolute crap. Of course, to the baybee-loving medical community it is better to let a woman take the pill and risk blood clots than provide a tubal to someone who really knows they don't want kids. What a joke.
]]> GreenGrass The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 09:50:03 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10556#msg-10556 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10556#msg-10556
As far as permanent birth control, good luck. Having been denied a tubal several times, I always relied on the pill and there's always the good old Women's Clinic should that fail!]]> KidFreeLuvnLife The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 09:18:17 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10555#msg-10555 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10555#msg-10555 india_darshan The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 09:17:18 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10551#msg-10551 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10551#msg-10551Actually, if your married, I think you do need your spouses permission. At least in Michigan. My current CF b/f got snipped when he was married and the Dr. made sure he got HER ok. That happened to my sister too, but that was many years ago. When she was told he needed hubbys permission, she took the form out of his hand, signed her husbands name and handed it back, and he accepted it.

I agree that if it's not their body, they have nothing to say. I think its also interesting that a women can oops her husband and she doesn't need a permission slip to GET pregnant... just NOT to get pregnant. How fucked up is that? In the future.. make sure the doctors know your single, that way they won't need a permission slip.
]]> PS The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 08:56:37 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10547#msg-10547 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10547#msg-10547

until you reach that moment, of stark staring terror, you wont know, i know, luckily it was late, and not, but i would have paid for the lot for the lot to get rid, i KNOW for a fact i am cf..coz i wouldnt have felt that terror if i wasnt. even if you lie about it to test the waters..]]> mercurior The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 05:06:11 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10541#msg-10541 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10541#msg-10541
Earlier this year the pill failed. I made the (obvious) choice to have an abortion. Now I'm wondering when that option will be taken away too.
]]> sociopathic The Living RoomTue, 01 Aug 2006 04:10:59 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10462#msg-10462 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10462#msg-10462quite clear. It is these women, who suddenly turn to religion or only want to please that man, who ruin for those of us who truly want to remain childfree and know ourselves enough to make a decision. Women are easily guilted by religion to suddenly turn their backs on a CF lifestyle only to bleat how they need that tubal reversal. The 'Net is FULL of sites "gently" encouraging women how they need to get a reversal so they will be fulfilled through motherhood. I've rarely seen sites for men with vasectomies. ]]> india_darshan The Living RoomSun, 30 Jul 2006 19:13:25 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10461#msg-10461 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10461#msg-10461
I can say that I do understand why the doctors do this. Many doctors are also doing reversals. The reason they do those, is because so many women THINK they want their tubes tied, but change their minds later. It is THOSE women who go back and bitch at the Dr about "why didn't you tell me". The doctors say.. "maybe you will change your mind", because many women do. Those women make me crazy.

I just don't understand why can a 14 year old decide TO have a baby, but a 20something year old isn't allowed to decide she doesn't want to have a baby. BTW, I'm 43 now, and haven't "changed my mind" yet.

]]> PS The Living RoomSun, 30 Jul 2006 19:08:59 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10453#msg-10453 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10453#msg-10453
http://omni.ac.uk/text/browse/mesh/D013245.html


maybe write to Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists , for advice or contact details

http://www.rcog.org.uk/resources/Public/pdf/consent3_laparoscopictubal.pdf

best i can find]]> mercurior The Living RoomSun, 30 Jul 2006 15:06:39 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10444#msg-10444 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,10444,10444#msg-10444 SubstanceD The Living RoomSun, 30 Jul 2006 02:54:58 -0400