Is it time for a CF counterstrike? It boggles my mind that religious whackadoos are allowed to picket hospitals and harass people, who go in and out. I've often thought that the CF people could organise ourselves and start picketing piggos, who are going for prenatal care. We could use the tactics of religious whackadoos, to convince piggos to get an abortion. We could seek out piggos in public, as individuals, and try to convince them to get an abortion. We could print out pictures from ShapeOfaMoo site and images of ravaged cooters after giving birth; after all, it would only be right that they know exactly what they're getting themselves into :angel We could target them and start giving them brochures with information about adoption. We could start abortion-jacking and adoption-jacking social media. When somebody tells us that she's inpig, we could politely inquire whether she needs the number of a good abortionist and perhaps a ride to the clinic. We could smile at her and give her an adoption brochure, while whispering "In case you change your mind. You should leave your options open." What do you think the reaction would be? I think that this could be empowering for us. A dumb moo with shrieking howler-monkeys in a public place? You give her an adoption brochure (or a social services card with information on putting kids in foster care) and politely say: "In case you ever change your mind." Breeders are already painting us as kid-haters. We might as well have some fun with it :satanhttp://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209585#msg-209585Wed, 22 May 2013 19:32:37 -0400 Phorum 5.2.9a http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209902#msg-209902 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209902#msg-209902
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Technically, a movement is progress that stems from public or private initiative, generally resulting from an agenda. We do not have an agenda besides gaining equality in the social forum and to be respected for our decision to not have children. Now that's a movement. But being Childfree is a personal choice, and thus a trend. If we were to drive vans around town that attempted to manipulate or sway the public to not have children, then being CF would become a movement. It's just a matter of HOW we go about it. However, I do see the way one could consider us a movement. We *have*, as a whole, shown impressive solidarity. This could be perceived as a movement. I can see it both ways, but it's more of a trend than anything. If we want to be a movement, we would basically have to adopt an agenda.

I think of the "CF demographic" in general more akin to motorcycle enthusiasts. Within the motorcycle enthusiast community you have a wide range of interests, personalities, and sub-sets, such as people who are into restoring antique bikes, people who like to ride dirt bikes in the dunes on their days off, people who use their motorcycle or scooter as a means of everyday transportation, etc. and of course you have the extreme "hardcore bikers" such as the gangs who ride Harleys and regularly ride and hang out in the bars and whatever.

This is relevant to being childfree because I think all persuasions of "bikers" or "motorcycle enthusiasts" are marginalized to one extent or another when it comes to their place on the road and in social situations, just like there is a spectrum of what is involved in being CF and the degree(s) to which we are marginalized.

Butu I wouldn't say there is a "biker movement" any more than there is a "CF movement". Many CF people don't mind paying taxes for schools they don't use or putting up with their friends' breederisms, and i don't think it's anyone else's business to convince them they SHOULD mind. It would be like trying to convince a couple of weekend-BMW-yuppies that they should advocate for a Hell's Angels chapter just because they both ride something with two wheels. It would be like the owner of a biker bar trying to convince the yuppies to come in and drink with the gangs, just because they both ride something with two wheels.

Mind, I am not saying there should NEVER be any overlap between the subsets of a particular counterculture. But it's the CONVINCING others that they SHOULD be or think or feel or do certain things just because you both like piña coladas that I have a problem with.]]> SlumSlut The Living RoomWed, 23 May 2012 11:40:11 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209890#msg-209890 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209890#msg-209890agenda. We do not have an agenda besides gaining equality in the social forum and to be respected for our decision to not have children. Now that's a movement. But being Childfree is a personal choice, and thus a trend. If we were to drive vans around town that attempted to manipulate or sway the public to not have children, then being CF would become a movement. It's just a matter of HOW we go about it. However, I do see the way one could consider us a movement. We *have*, as a whole, shown impressive solidarity. This could be perceived as a movement. I can see it both ways, but it's more of a trend than anything. If we want to be a movement, we would basically have to adopt an agenda.]]> catharsist The Living RoomWed, 23 May 2012 11:00:24 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209722#msg-209722 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209722#msg-209722
However, what many ( but not ALL) CF people seem to WANT is not to have what breeders have, but to have those legal perks and privileges taken away from breeders.

To extrapolate the "gay rights" analogy:

I notice anti-gay-ists say things like "gays want special treatment" when in fact gays just want to get the same treatment and access to the same things straight people do by default. Gays want to get married; they don't want to take away marriage for straight people. Gays are not saying that their marriages should afford them additional benefits than what is already given in straight marriages.

There are folks who do think marriage should be done away with for everyone, that it should be completely personal and there should be no legal recognition for anyone's personal relationship status.

The former is an example of what i consider "movement-ish". The latter is less "movement-ish" because it involves deconstruction rather than construction - the taking away of something a group already has instead of including other groups in that particular privilege.

As far as breeder privilege is concerned, take tax credits for example. There really isn't any way to equalize child tax credits for the childfree unless the childfree choose to reproduce or adopt, which would by definition render them no longer childfree. However, it is possible to remove that privilege from the childed. That would be the only way to equalize the tax situation.

I realize this is a very simplified explanation. This topic is certainly thesis-worthy. But here i'm trying to explain why comparing the gay rights movement to the "childfree movement" only makes sense superficially, as a rhetorical tool to sell one side of an argument. The analogy does not hold up when basic critical thinking is applied.]]> SlumSlut The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 16:49:02 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209716#msg-209716 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209716#msg-209716
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Are we a movement? I'd be inclined to say we could be considered a social trend, but I don't think CF is a movement, at least not yet.

What's our manifesto? What are the basic points everyone agrees on?

I don't think we're a movement. We're a lifestyle. But I've noticed quite a bit of resistance (on this board and others) to the idea that we're a movement, which leads me to believe we're less likely to mobilize than I'd personally like.

I'm not against the idea of there being a movement, but I'd want to know what the key objectives are before I could say if I am part of that movement.

I also just don't see myself as being that active in a movement. Life is too short for me to make this the focal point of my life. I admire people who can live around a cause, but I'm not one of them. I'm the sort of person who is willing to do paperwork for causes I believe in, but not go to prison or risk my career.]]> yurble The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 16:44:26 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209713#msg-209713 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209713#msg-209713
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You make excellent points.
It just makes me wonder; can we afford to take the high road, while religious whackadoos chip-chip-chip away at our (reproductive) rights?

They get tax breaks because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to discriminate against us because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to call on other people to kill me because they pitch a shit-fit if you say anything to them, they get to deny us medication because they pitch a shit-fit about it, they get to have preferential treatment because they regularly pitch a shit-fit over issues.

I think the problem is that we're outnumbered. And then even among the CF, who are already a minority, there are those that breeder-pander or go out of their way to claim CF isn't a movement.

Are we a movement? I'd be inclined to say we could be considered a social trend, but I don't think CF is a movement, at least not yet.

What's our manifesto? What are the basic points everyone agrees on?

I don't think we're a movement. We're a lifestyle. But I've noticed quite a bit of resistance (on this board and others) to the idea that we're a movement, which leads me to believe we're less likely to mobilize than I'd personally like.

SlumSlut - no, not a breeder pleaser. That's why I used "or" - many CF are EITHER breeder pleasing OR resistant to the idea of a CF movement, and that, in addition to being a minority as it is, is why I don't think we'll really get much done to make things more equitable.]]> gnarler The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 16:20:52 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209707#msg-209707 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209707#msg-209707
as long as breeders keep the kids under control and and stop pushing for special treatment for voluntarily sprogging i couldn't care less what they do.

:fmbl]]> myrna minkoff The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 15:33:41 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209704#msg-209704 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209704#msg-209704
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You make excellent points.
It just makes me wonder; can we afford to take the high road, while religious whackadoos chip-chip-chip away at our (reproductive) rights?

They get tax breaks because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to discriminate against us because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to call on other people to kill me because they pitch a shit-fit if you say anything to them, they get to deny us medication because they pitch a shit-fit about it, they get to have preferential treatment because they regularly pitch a shit-fit over issues.

I think the problem is that we're outnumbered. And then even among the CF, who are already a minority, there are those that breeder-pander or go out of their way to claim CF isn't a movement.

Are we a movement? I'd be inclined to say we could be considered a social trend, but I don't think CF is a movement, at least not yet.

What's our manifesto? What are the basic points everyone agrees on?]]> yurble The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 15:25:40 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209680#msg-209680 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209680#msg-209680 starlady The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 14:14:16 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209679#msg-209679 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209679#msg-209679 SlumSlut The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 14:11:31 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209669#msg-209669 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209669#msg-209669
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You make excellent points.
It just makes me wonder; can we afford to take the high road, while religious whackadoos chip-chip-chip away at our (reproductive) rights?

They get tax breaks because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to discriminate against us because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to call on other people to kill me because they pitch a shit-fit if you say anything to them, they get to deny us medication because they pitch a shit-fit about it, they get to have preferential treatment because they regularly pitch a shit-fit over issues.

I think the problem is that we're outnumbered. And then even among the CF, who are already a minority, there are those that breeder-pander or go out of their way to claim CF isn't a movement.]]> gnarler The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 13:43:15 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209665#msg-209665 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209665#msg-209665
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You make excellent points.
It just makes me wonder; can we afford to take the high road, while religious whackadoos chip-chip-chip away at our (reproductive) rights?

They get tax breaks because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to discriminate against us because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to call on other people to kill me because they pitch a shit-fit if you say anything to them, they get to deny us medication because they pitch a shit-fit about it, they get to have preferential treatment because they regularly pitch a shit-fit over issues.

Well, affording the high road is a simple return on investment. If we seem like nice people, and don't butt heads with the parents and breeders that are throwing shit-fits, then parents and breeders will be throwing shit-fits ALONE and look just as rational as the kids they are raising. This in turn will cause a social shift. As we have seen, the more crazy shit that right-wing extremists pull that is actually caught in the public eye, the more people want to distance themselves from that craziness, and thus, the belief system as a whole. I have seen pro-lifers yell at other pro-lifers over their crazy ass displays of aborted fetuses next to hung slaves and emaciated Jews. The crazier they look, the more credible, predictable, and thus amiable we seem. This would work in our favor. Now, the reproductive rights thing.. That is something we need to fight for, and hard (fire vs. stone).. However, Childfree vs. Parents battle is a behind the scenes deal, so the influence has to be behind the scenes, as in, handled on an individual scale. There aren't many of us, so we each need to know how to handle ourselves in social situations. Being snarky as all of us are apt to being is only hurting the cause. So seduction, and not ass kissing, are required. That is why I display my child freedom proudly, as I am enamoring young and old people with my lifestyle, and leading by example. I have become more liked, and thus more supported as a whole since I took this route. It will only work this way. Fighting fire with fire is always a bad idea. Fighting fire with water is preferable.]]> catharsist The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 13:28:28 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209664#msg-209664 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209664#msg-209664
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3.) a parent that is now experiencing a mindfuck: to which I do not reply, just walk away like something is exploding behind me (something is).

"What smells like burning life experience?"

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I did this just this morning. (without the remark) I was walking down the asle (in walmoo naturally) behind a moo and duh. Loaf had just turned to toadler and was toadling along NOT IN THE CART putting her hands on everything and the parunts (who looked like they had just rolled out of bed 5 minutes before, were stopping every time Bratlina touched something and would laugh. At one point the kyd spotted me behind them and was running toward me.. hands outstretched...with moo saying 'no no no...he he he' almost like she wasn't about to stop the tootler from running right into me. I gave Moo, Duh and Bratlina all 'the look'. The I was able to get around a display and charge outa there like a bat outa hadies. Ofcourse I kind of saw out of the corner of my eye the moo and duh giving me a 'what the fuck is her problem' look. I didn't give a fuck. They were in my way. I don't have time for this crap and I don't give a shit about your stupid kid putting her germ infested hands all over everything.
I wish I could have thought of a good comment, but I just wanted to get the hell outa that freekin store!!!

That was not something I actually said, I just thought it was funny. But yeah, I would refrain from dealing with children I dont know just because they may not be vaccinated.]]> catharsist The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 13:09:40 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209661#msg-209661 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209661#msg-209661It just makes me wonder; can we afford to take the high road, while religious whackadoos chip-chip-chip away at our (reproductive) rights?

They get tax breaks because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to discriminate against us because they pitch a shit-fit, they get to call on other people to kill me because they pitch a shit-fit if you say anything to them, they get to deny us medication because they pitch a shit-fit about it, they get to have preferential treatment because they regularly pitch a shit-fit over issues.]]> trekkie monster The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 12:55:48 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209654#msg-209654 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209654#msg-209654
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suddenly I remember a Simpsons' episode: Marge vs Singles, Seniors, Childless Couples, Teens, and Gays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_vs._Singles,_Seniors,_Childless_Couples_and_Teens,_and_Gays

there went the battle between marge, who uphold breederific family values, and people who feel disadvantaged because they don't fit the normal American family criterion.
I thought it was aired right at the time when voluntary childlessness started rising above the surface. the disadvantaged group went on a counterstrike against 'family comes first'.

They fail. but it sure is a source of inspiration for REAL CF counterstrike.

My favorite scene in the episode was the restaurant scene in which the people without kids are dining by candlelight in peace and quiet and the families are crowded into a back room complete with screaming, food thrown on the walls, and so on.

Wish more restaurants would follow that model so the rest of us can dine in peace.]]> CMFree Misanthrope The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 12:29:49 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209653#msg-209653 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209653#msg-209653
I just finished a book about racists and the author felt that some of these people were simply looking for confrontation to bolster their own ideology. As example - Neo Nazis would set up a rally or demonstration, they eagerly hoped for counter demonstrators, and when they showed up and began their counter protests - this fed the Neo Nazis sense of being persecuted and wronged and added to their self righteousness.

I have a feeling the the Fundie types might take counter strikes against them the same way. Instead of showing them they're wrong, it would feed their ideas of how right they are.

I'm currently reading a book about the "Christian Right" in attempt to try to understand them better. Just started it, pretty interesting so far.

Here's some info if anyone else would be interested in reading it -

http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Own-Party-Making-Christian/dp/0195340841]]> Zzelda The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 12:28:23 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209646#msg-209646 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209646#msg-209646
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I'd rather leave moos (pregnant or with kids) alone - if they leave us alone, too. ;)

Yeah, moos seem to have quite a temper. I just don't want to be around them..or their spawn. I have a life... and watching a brat do something that it's handlers think is CUTE is not part of it.]]> starlady The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 12:11:01 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209644#msg-209644 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209644#msg-209644 Banshee The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 11:58:40 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209639#msg-209639 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209639#msg-209639 myrna minkoff The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 11:27:48 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209637#msg-209637 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209637#msg-209637
"What smells like burning life experience?"

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I did this just this morning. (without the remark) I was walking down the asle (in walmoo naturally) behind a moo and duh. Loaf had just turned to toadler and was toadling along NOT IN THE CART putting her hands on everything and the parunts (who looked like they had just rolled out of bed 5 minutes before, were stopping every time Bratlina touched something and would laugh. At one point the kyd spotted me behind them and was running toward me.. hands outstretched...with moo saying 'no no no...he he he' almost like she wasn't about to stop the tootler from running right into me. I gave Moo, Duh and Bratlina all 'the look'. The I was able to get around a display and charge outa there like a bat outa hadies. Ofcourse I kind of saw out of the corner of my eye the moo and duh giving me a 'what the fuck is her problem' look. I didn't give a fuck. They were in my way. I don't have time for this crap and I don't give a shit about your stupid kid putting her germ infested hands all over everything.
I wish I could have thought of a good comment, but I just wanted to get the hell outa that freekin store!!!]]> starlady The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 11:23:53 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209633#msg-209633 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209633#msg-209633
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Seriously, you wanna piss them off? Make them feel stupid for having kids by being happy with your decision. This will in turn (possibly) make them rethink their "it's so worth it" bullshit.

A good response is to say, "I'm glad for you, I really am. It's so great that we both made the right decisions for each of us."

They have nowhere else to go with this one.]]> SlumSlut The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 11:14:36 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209630#msg-209630 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209630#msg-209630
1.) a bingo: to which I reply, "say what you want, you are only jealous of me" say it in a humorous voice so they will have no room for an idiotic, self absorbed response (watch them fume). If they question whether your joking hint that you're not.

2.) a knee-jerk "it's so worth it" reflex: to which I reply, "keep telling yourself that while I enjoy my life"

3.) a parent that is now experiencing a mindfuck: to which I do not reply, just walk away like something is exploding behind me (something is).

"What smells like burning life experience?"

This is the best way to counterstrike, hands down, no questions necessary. And besides, why should I waste my precious energy picketing their dumb asses when I could just laugh at their faces while their child is throwing a tantrum and driving them batshit crazy. And yes, I have laughed at a temper tantrum before and said to my BF "Hey, I just remembered I need to buy some condoms!", and walked right past the now extremely pissed off mother. Seriously, you wanna piss them off? Make them feel stupid for having kids by being happy with your decision. This will in turn (possibly) make them rethink their "it's so worth it" bullshit. And if I like being the cause of something, it's a mid-life crisis. Ain't I a stinker? Cheers dahlings! :beer]]> catharsist The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 11:04:46 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209616#msg-209616 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209616#msg-209616
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_vs._Singles,_Seniors,_Childless_Couples_and_Teens,_and_Gays

there went the battle between marge, who uphold breederific family values, and people who feel disadvantaged because they don't fit the normal American family criterion.
I thought it was aired right at the time when voluntary childlessness started rising above the surface. the disadvantaged group went on a counterstrike against 'family comes first'.

They fail. but it sure is a source of inspiration for REAL CF counterstrike.]]> felisdomestica The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 07:57:45 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209611#msg-209611 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209611#msg-209611
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Do you think that gays would have any rights, if they continuously took the high road? Would women have any rights or be allowed to vote if the first feminists had this attitude? Did breeders gain all their privilege by being peaceful and polite?

There's a big spectrum of political action, from carefully phrasing your objections in such a way as to be as inoffensive as possible (usually seen most at the start of a movement) to terrorism (usually seen when people become frustrated about how long it takes to achieve objectives). In between you have civil disobedience, saying things precisely without consideration of sensitivities, and outragous protest. In my opinion, actions which stay away from either of the extremes are most effective in achieving results.

I can't say that I've seen people in the gay rights movement directly harrassing people. Sure, I've seen gay pride parades where people wear provocative clothing, and I've seen people kissing passionately on the street to make people uncomfortable, and I've heard of them getting arrested for refusing to leave a courthouse without a marriage certificate. What I haven't heard of is gay people standing outside the courthouse heckling every straight couple who goes to get married. While they have a fair point that the people are engaging in privileged activities, they would be widely viewed as assholes for "upsetting people on the happiest day of their lives."]]> yurble The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 07:03:11 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209610#msg-209610 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209610#msg-209610
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Do you think that gays would have any rights, if they continuously took the high road? Would women have any rights or be allowed to vote if the first feminists had this attitude? Did breeders gain all their privilege by being peaceful and polite?

It is much harder for us to picket and be protected legally though. You can't go up to random people on the street (even the pro-natalists who tell strangers that they have to have the kid are generally outside abortion clinics) because that can be harassment or assault (depending on whether or not the person can make an argument that they would reasonably be in fear of bodily harm due to your physical stature v. theirs/your attitude and hostility, etc). The idea of passing the number to the person with the "in case you change your mind" is a much better way to do it if you are serious about it. That way you can be sure that the person will be offended but can't pull harassment or assault charges, etc.]]> LadyLuck The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 07:00:14 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209609#msg-209609 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209609#msg-209609
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trekkie monster
Do you think that gays would have any rights, if they continuously took the high road? Would women have any rights or be allowed to vote if the first feminists had this attitude? Did breeders gain all their privilege by being peaceful and polite?

I think you make a very good point. You also make me want to picket inpigs. But I do think the pitch fork mobs would come out in full force if we tried this.]]> satansbitch The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 06:49:31 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209608#msg-209608 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209608#msg-209608 trekkie monster The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 06:32:08 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209597#msg-209597 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209597#msg-209597:pitchforkmob]]> felisdomestica The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 05:17:54 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209591#msg-209591 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209591#msg-209591 yurble The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 04:35:49 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209590#msg-209590 Re: Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209590#msg-209590 blueorchid The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 04:29:50 -0400 http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209585#msg-209585 Is it time for a CF counterstrike?http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,209585,209585#msg-209585
We could use the tactics of religious whackadoos, to convince piggos to get an abortion. We could seek out piggos in public, as individuals, and try to convince them to get an abortion. We could print out pictures from ShapeOfaMoo site and images of ravaged cooters after giving birth; after all, it would only be right that they know exactly what they're getting themselves into :angel
We could target them and start giving them brochures with information about adoption. We could start abortion-jacking and adoption-jacking social media.

When somebody tells us that she's inpig, we could politely inquire whether she needs the number of a good abortionist and perhaps a ride to the clinic. We could smile at her and give her an adoption brochure, while whispering "In case you change your mind. You should leave your options open."

What do you think the reaction would be? I think that this could be empowering for us. A dumb moo with shrieking howler-monkeys in a public place? You give her an adoption brochure (or a social services card with information on putting kids in foster care) and politely say: "In case you ever change your mind."

Breeders are already painting us as kid-haters. We might as well have some fun with it :satan]]> trekkie monster The Living RoomTue, 22 May 2012 02:54:28 -0400