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<title>Re: Gender reveal disappointments</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452358,452363#msg-452363</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>cfuter</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>kittehpeoples</strong><br/>
Tbf, it's not just the women who get weird about "gender disappointment." There are apparently plenty of men who desperately need their offspring to have a penis in order to be worthy of their affection.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Oh, I know it's just not the women, My thing is it is weird bcz now you're unhappy w/ something growing inside you, it's a part of you and you're walking around all sorry about it. If you're that childish about the gender, don't have a gender party, and just don't have kids period.</div></blockquote><br />You're right. Way too many people act like they don't realize they're making other human beings who might be (gasp) different from them in some fundamental way. They just want the kids to be permanent extensions of themselves in whatever form that makes <i>them</i> happy.]]></description>
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<title>Re: Gender reveal disappointments</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452358,452362#msg-452362</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>kittehpeoples</strong><br/>
Tbf, it's not just the women who get weird about "gender disappointment." There are apparently plenty of men who desperately need their offspring to have a penis in order to be worthy of their affection.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Oh, I know it's just not the women, My thing is it is weird bcz now you're unhappy w/ something growing inside you, it's a part of you and you're walking around all sorry about it. If you're that childish about the gender, don't have a gender party, and just don't have kids period. Mature parents only allowed in my world-lol. But of course it isn't about only women, as if you watch the vid, the men are disgusting if you ask me. I also wonder how many are actually married, so in long run they are gonna run away and try to weasel outta child support, bcz this is just another burden now w/o the fun gender they want. Fuck it if it's a little human being.]]></description>
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<title>:??Grandmoo prays for more Grands:crazy</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452361,452361#msg-452361</link><description><![CDATA[From Reddit Childfree:<br /><br /><b><u>Mother keeps ‘praying’ for me.</u></b><br /><br />At this point, it is incredibly obnoxious.<br /><br />I think I fully decided to be CF around 17-18 and told my mother to stop expecting grandchildren from me. Mind you, I have two other brothers in their 30’s-40’s who have had children of their own, and she complains about each and every one of those grandchildren.<br /><br />You’d think she’d be relieved, right?<br /><br />Nope.<br /><br />“I pray to God you change your mind!”<br />“You and your s/o’s children would be beautiful!”<br />“You’re doing university for a high paying job for children, right?”<br />“Oh, you’re tired from classes and work? Well, be grateful you don’t have kids.”<br /><br />The first and last statements PMO so hard. I work two jobs and do uni full time. Idk how many times I’ve told her please stop praying for me because I’ve left the Catholic faith and fully intend on getting sterilized as soon as I’m able to, but she just fucking SHRUGS and is like “Only God can tell” and “things change.” What’s worse is she’s a smoker and has been since she was 15 (she’s 57 now) and keeps saying shit like “I promise to the Lord that if YOU have children, I’ll stop smoking for the rest of my life!”<br /><br />Why not do that for your other grandkids???? Smh.<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />The comments give her a buncha advice, but I'd likely just say "Ever think Jesus has other plans for me? That's why I'm not having kids, he's getting me ready for something else?"<br /><br />I have to say I had a single friend that always lamented she wasnt married and didnt have kids, I was so tired of it, considering she got involved w/ shit guys I had to hear about and wasnt allowed to say anything, otherwise she'd get miffed. She was also religious (but only when it was convenient to her), so I finally said one day, "Maybe God has other plans for you" She shut right up, actually looked like she was seriously considering what I said, and by golly, she never ever brought the married w/ kids lament up again. 20 yrs later, She's still not married nor has kids, and she did get a better job but really didnt do much w/ her life, but at least I got her to STFU.<br /><br />Another thing I'd say to the Grandmoo wanna-be above, "Things do change, like they changed for you, you thought your daughter would bear you more grandkids, but that isnt happening, accept that things change from what we expect, they just dont change for me(the CF daughter)" or "This is what God wants for me evidently" These breeders really do want surprise oopsie accidents to change people's lives and veer them off tract. I cant imagine having a daughter w/ 2 jobs and university and not just be proud of her for being a productive member of society. But what do I know, I'm not a moommy.]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Gender reveal disappointments</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452358,452360#msg-452360</link><description><![CDATA[Not sure about how it is today, but I remember learning in my cultural psych class that women in India and China would often find out the gender of their fetuses as soon as possible and abort if they weren't male. I would much rather see that happen than a child be born and automatically hated because it came out with the "wrong" genitals. The woman could just say she miscarried and needed a D&E if she's worried about judgment. They could say it "developed incorrectly."<br /><br />I can see being like, "Oh I'd like a girl, but I'll be just as happy with a boy!" But no, some parents get downright upset when they find out it's not the desired gender. And then it becomes a matter of they just put up with the kid once it's born and then start trying again in 2-3 years for the "correct" gender.<br /><br />Do they get how odds work? It's astounding how many breeders think, "Well it's 50/50, so that means I'll definitely get a boy!"<br /><br />I wish every single asshat breeder who experienced gender disappointment who went on to have the "correct" gendered child wound up with a trans kid. Fuck them for putting so much unnecessary value on gender - I hope their little Jenna realizes she came out wrong and becomes James!<br /><br />If you need a kid to come out with a particular hair color, gender or anything else, fucking adopt! It's like Build-A-Bear, you can pick the gender, the skin color, the hair color, the health, you can meet the kid beforehand. But oh, of course people won't do that because they can only love a biological child and they don't want to raise someone else's mistake. 8-)<br /><br />I'm surprised how many women are pouting over the gender reveals in the video. Usually it's the man who is all butthurt that his wife/girlfriend is not providing him with a male heir. I mean if it's a personality thing of wanting to do boy stuff with boys and girl stuff with girls, you can still get those things with the "wrong" gender. Boys can like tea parties, ponies and wearing tiaras. Girls can like dinosaurs, cars and football. If it's just about gender and nothing else, why are they so obsessed over their child's crotch? Don't breed if you're gonna throw a tantrum like a little bitch not getting the doll you wanted on Christmas morning.<br /><br />Also, why the fuck would the parents share their gender reveal disappointment videos publicly? Do they realize how disgusting it makes them look to be anything other than happy about their wanted, expected child?<br /><br />Off topic, but I want the lipgloss the lady is wearing in the beginning of the video. :)]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Gender reveal disappointments</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452358,452359#msg-452359</link><description><![CDATA[Tbf, it's not just the women who get weird about "gender disappointment." There are apparently plenty of men who desperately need their offspring to have a penis in order to be worthy of their affection.<br /><br />I think I've mentioned here before knowing a family that had a bunch of daughters, but they kept having kids because manly man duh wanted a son...and honestly, their families WERE the kind who would judge a guy for not being able to produce a son. 8-) So they kept "trying" until eventually they were told, with pregnancy five or six, that yes! This one is a boy! And then she was born, and nope, she wasn't. Somebody misread the sonogram. Oops.<br /><br />They did finally stop having kids after that, but damn...imagine being those girls, knowing that at least five of them were unwanted, and that if their parents had a boy first, they may not have had ANY more children. Those poor kids were so fucked up, and it's not a mystery why.<br /><br />As for the gender disappointment thing in general, if you're that worked up over getting the "right" gender, you should either be willing to abort until you get what you want, or adopt. If you're determined to give birth no matter what, then you need to be okay with rolling the dice. If you aren't, you shouldn't be a parent. 'Cause it's all about the Unconditional Love(tm), right? If you aren't capable of loving your child no matter their gender (or sexual orientation or physical condition or mental condition), <b>then don't freaking have one.</b> There are enough unloved, unwanted kids in the world without adding more.]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 06:15:04 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Gender reveal disappointments</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452358,452358#msg-452358</link><description><![CDATA[I'm just gonna leave this here for you guys to watch what complete A-holes these parents are at their own gender reveal parties. No wonder kyds are such shitheads, because so many of the parunts are complete childish acting out bastards.<br /><br />You made a human being for heaven's sake. This isn't xmas morning opening up a present. The women are gross, because to get that attached to an idea that is 50-50 not gonna happen and IDK be unhappy and youre carrying it in your womb in the meantime, IDK do you stay all depressed up to and including the delivery?<br /><br />And the parents who have 3 of one gender getting mad because new fetus same gender, I dont get it, youre running around after 3 fucking kids, do you really need another, do you really need the opposite gender at that point? Dont you have your hands full as it is? Doesnt it seems frivolous? I thought parunting matured people, because if I was raising 3 kids, it would mature the fuck outta me that it would talk me out of having the opposite gender just for the hell of it, all the while stressing out time, money, physical, home, college funds, any and all resources to have an additional kid just because you need at least 1 of each! Imagine going thru an additional prenasty just because still 'wrong' gender, ew gross. Parunting cant be that hard if they do this nonsense just for a gender.<br /><br />Also, if youre on your 4th kid, do you need a gender attention whoring party, really?<br /><br />Parunts never cease to gross me out and cringe me out. Worst people on earth.<br /><br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SHYGdJZjE]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 01:36:51 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Breakingmom Tales: Or A Collection of Stupidity &amp; Dumb Choices</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,435648,452357#msg-452357</link><description><![CDATA[From the Alanon forum on Reddit. I split it into paragraphs.<br /><br />Gee, what could possibly go wrong with this relationship?<br /><br />The only positive aspect to this story is that the young woman says she's going to have an abortion. Let's hope she follows through with it.<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>Hey guys, I’m not sure where to post this as the addiction at hand is not to alcohol but I really need advice. Me (<b>22F</b>) and my boyfriend (24M) have been together for <b>almost 5 months now,</b><br /><br />In the beginning of the relationship he expressed to me that over the last few years he struggled with an addiction to cocaine and that he had been clean for a few months. I was supportive in his recovery and tried to motivate him to continue with it as I also struggled with said addiction in my late teens. Over the months he has occasionally relapsed (sometimes going behind my back and lying to me to do so) - which is a part of recovery that I understand yet he has never seen a therapist/addiction counsellor, he has never gone to rehab and even was in NA for a while <b>but was still using</b> during it, despite collecting the chips.<br /><br />It has gotten to the point of me saying hey I’m very concerned and uncomfortable with this habit and if you have no desire to try to get clean, then we must break up. <i>He normally responds with saying he wants to get clean or that he’s going to block his dealers,</i> but I don’t see the proof in the pudding. In fact about a month ago, he responded to me saying that with “I’m tired of everyone telling me I’m doing something bad all the time, I’m in my 20s I just want to have fun and I don’t care what anyone else has to say or feels about it.”<br /><br />Which broke my heart and made me realize that he doesn’t want to get better at all. Now we reach September. He has returned to college while I’m working, he always wants to stay home alone, has lacked communication and never has money unless it’s for fast food (as I can see). I was roughly a week late for my cycle this month so I decided to test. The test turned out positive (the only phobia I have is of labour and childbirth) and I discussed with my boyfriend that I am going to go through with abortion due to financial/career goals and generally not wanting biological children. He agrees that this is a good idea and then proceeds to spend roughly 5 hours after school with his friend playing video games until 10 pm. At 10 he asks to come and grab some things at my house and I offer for him to stay the night as I feel this should be time we spend together supporting each other with the new found news. He declines this offer, stays for about 5 minutes and then says he wants to go home for school - sure cool. This morning I text him and say hey good morning love you have a good day at school, his immediate response was telling me that he got so stressed about me being pregnant because his ex went through this (even though he doesn’t have to do anything I’m handling it all myself) that he relapsed. Then says that he called in for school today when he can only miss 3 days in the semester or he will lose his apprenticeship. I am incredibly hurt and frustrated, I have no idea if I’m in the wrong to be so mad at him or if this is as insane as I feel it is.</div></blockquote><br />ETA: The amount of women who PREGNANT and in relationships with alcoholic men on that forum is wild!]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 00:00:18 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Dumbasses can't afford to go see their sick kid</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452356,452356#msg-452356</link><description><![CDATA[I'll try to keep this vague since it involves people I know in real life. Two people who already had multiple kids (plus a minor son the father has nothing to do with from a previous marriage) just had another one in July and it had to be in the NICU due to coming out a month early and being born with a host of issues.<br /><br />They have started crowdfunding - not for the cost of the NICU stay for their daughter - but because their truck is broken and they can't afford the few hundred bucks to get it fixed to drive to the hospital where the child is being kept. They both work pretty low-paying jobs - like one in fast food and one in a grocery store, and I'm not even sure how they could afford one kid, let alone several.<br /><br />I'm sure this will bode well for how they will afford to care for their newest "miracle." I expect the next money grab for the hospital expenses to begin very soon.<br /><br />I don't get why they needed another one. They just had one like a year ago, they have kids with both genders, they have more than one One Of Our Own<sup><small>TM</small></sup> kids (both also have brats from failed relationships), and they aren't the "hurr durr we let Gawd decide our family size" religious types. Surely after having multiple kids, they are smart enough to know how babies are made. I just :huh]]></description>
<dc:creator>Cambion</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2026 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<dc:creator>cfdavep</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2026 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Did your summers look like this?</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452225,452354#msg-452354</link><description><![CDATA[For my friends and I, a friend's parents would soap a tarp, turn on the water hose, and we kids went NUTS. Water parks and skate rings were special treats and were expensive.]]></description>
<dc:creator>craftyzits</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 19:33:20 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Moo hires pet sitting service to watch seven-year-old</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452267,452353#msg-452353</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Cambion</strong><br/><br />The kid seemed pretty chill about the whole thing too. Makes me wonder how many other times Moo and Duh just up and left her alone. Like I think a kid that age might normally freak out a little waking up to find their parents gone and unable to be reached, but she just kinda went with the flow. I feel bad for the kid - her parents treat her like an inconvenience. I hope she can be placed with someone who gives a shit about her.</div></blockquote><br />Kids from the Gen X generation had to deal with this a lot. Seven sounds a tad young but not unheard of, but this happened to kids in the 70s and 80s. I'd wake to a note from the parents saying they had to do errands and to do such and such. I was 12, but that late start was due to my autism and learning disabilities. I am late Gen X.]]></description>
<dc:creator>craftyzits</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Moo hires pet sitting service to watch seven-year-old</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452267,452352#msg-452352</link><description><![CDATA[Maybe they got the idea from South Park when Cartman's mother brought in Cesar Milan to help improve his behavior.]]></description>
<dc:creator>JohnDrake</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 15:32:55 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Did your summers look like this?</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452225,452351#msg-452351</link><description><![CDATA[I preferred doing my own thing on my own rather than all this nonsense. I never went to a trampoline or water park and probably wouldn't have liked it anyway.<br /><br />I didn't like having one activity pushed on me let alone many. I was capable of entertaining myself and preferred it that way.]]></description>
<dc:creator>JohnDrake</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Bouncing baby 44-year-old murders his family because his parents asked him to move out</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452349,452349#msg-452349</link><description><![CDATA[Sounds like his parents enabled him a lot, and he just rotted in front of his computer 24-7. <a href="https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/alan-smith-of-billings-montana-first-photos-emerge-of-man-who-killed-eight-relatives-and-setting-family-home-on-fire-101787903964533.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Another article</a> claims there were "many behavioral red flags," but everyone just ignored them. It just said he was verbally abusive toward some relatives, had no job and was a hermit, but never displayed violent behavior in the past and had no criminal record.<br /><br />It seems after Mom and Dad told him to move out, he disappeared for a few weeks without telling anyone where he was going, and when he came back, he decided to kill eight relatives, set the house on fire and then kill himself. The 12-year-old girl managed to call 911 before she was shot.<br /><br />I feel like if parents are going to coddle their kids to the point where a middle-aged man can't keep a job and lives on his computer, then they need to be prepared to coddle them indefinitely because they have effectively created a functional retard. It's like throwing an animal born and raised in captivity into the wild and expecting them to thrive, only animals don't have the mental capacity to plan mass murder in retaliation. Because when someone who lives a nice cushy life free of adult responsibilities has their caregivers threaten to pull the rug out from under them, they can absolutely turn violent.<br /><br /><u>https://www.foxnews.com/us/montana-man-killed-4-children-4-family-members-sunday-dinner-asked-move-out-relative</u><br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>A Montana man who killed eight of his relatives, including four children, during a Sunday dinner at a home in Montana had been asked by his parents weeks earlier to move out of the property, according to a family member.<br /><br />Brad Ireland told The Associated Press that his former wife and two children were among those killed by Alan Smith, 44, in a homicide that the Billings Police Department called an "unimaginable tragedy." Investigators said Smith died after suffering a self-inflicted gunshot wound.<br /><br />The victims were identified by the AP as Ireland’s ex-wife, Megan Ghekiere, and their two children, Owen Ireland, 13, and Chloe Ireland, 7. Also killed were Ghekiere’s two stepchildren with her current husband: Landon Ghekiere, 15, and Charlotte Ghekiere, 12, as well as Smith’s parents, Dana and Barb, and his grandmother Evelyn.<br /><br />"The one thing we do know is that Charlotte was the hero," Jennifer Mercer, a neighbor and family friend who set up an online fundraiser to help cover funeral costs and other expenses, said to the news agency. "Charlotte called 911 and she tried to save her family. And that’s something the family does want out there."<br /><br />The Billings Police Department said it responded to a 911 call of an active shooting at 6:01 p.m. Sunday and heard shots fired from the back of the house. Minutes later, the property was fully engulfed in flames.<br /><br />Firefighters ultimately fought the blaze until around 1 a.m. Monday, according to Billings Fire Department Chief Matt Hoppel. The home is in a subdivision outside of city limits that’s not required to have fire hydrants.<br /><br />"Due to the condition and structural integrity of the residence, recovery and investigative efforts must be conducted carefully and methodically," the Billings Police Department said Tuesday, adding that, "we extend our sincere and heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones affected by this unimaginable tragedy."<br /><br />Mercer described the family as "very loving and close," and said the children all got along and that their parents remained amicable even after divorcing.<br /><br />The Smith family was originally from the Seattle area. Ireland said that after he and Megan Ghekiere divorced six years ago, she moved to Montana with their children and met the man who would become her second husband, Adam Ghekiere, who was working and not at the home when the shooting occurred.<br /><br />She and Alan’s parents, Dana and Barb Smith, soon followed, buying a house in Billings near their daughter’s home. Evelyn Smith, their grandmother, lived in a nearby retirement community, Ireland said.<br /><br />Alan Smith, who also moved in with his parents in Montana, was described by Ireland as a "hermit" who spent most of his days in his room on his computer.<br /><br />"No one knew what he did in there 24/7," he said.<br /><br />Smith’s parents had asked Alan to move out weeks ago after he stayed with them for years, Ireland told the AP.<br /><br />Alan Smith had attended Eastern Washington University but had been unable to find or hold a job, the AP reported. Ireland told the news agency that to his knowledge, Alan Smith had never been violent, though he could be verbally abusive.<br /><br />Adam Ghekiere, who works at the airport in Billings, told the AP that he heard over a dispatch radio about an active shooting. After calling each member of his family, he raced across town to the Smith home.<br /><br />When he got there, the house was ablaze, and two hours later, he learned his wife and children had been killed. His children weren't supposed to be there because family dinner was usually on Friday, he said.<br /><br />"I don’t think he expected my kids to be there," Ghekiere said, referring to his brother-in-law. "Monster isn’t even enough to describe what he did."<br /><br />A GoFundMe page said Adam Ghekiere’s 15-year-old son Landon, who was set to enter his sophomore year of high school, was "looking forward to getting his driver’s license this week and was a patient, protective, and loving big brother."<br /><br />"Charlotte was 12 and preparing to begin seventh grade. Funny, precocious, and adorable -- with just the right amount of stubborn -- Charlotte had an angelic smile and loved posing for pictures," it added.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
<dc:creator>Cambion</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Just a bit of fun</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452345,452347#msg-452347</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>cfuter</strong><br/>
Thank you.</div></blockquote><br />You're welcome! Previously the only song I'd heard from this guy was "I've No More Fucks to Give," and then youtube's algorithm actually kicked out something useful with this one.]]></description>
<dc:creator>kittehpeoples</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2026 16:44:35 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Just a bit of fun</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452345,452346#msg-452346</link><description><![CDATA[Thank you.]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2026 15:08:46 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Just a bit of fun</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452345,452345#msg-452345</link><description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6jJ5qKc5k" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">I Don't Want Kids</a> - a song for us, lol.]]></description>
<dc:creator>kittehpeoples</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 21:31:50 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: They do not want adoption as an option</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452337,452344#msg-452344</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>craftyzits</strong><br/>
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Cambion</strong><br/>
I don't think they realize that safe havens save kids' lives</div></blockquote><br />Once they are born, children's lives are less worthy than a flushed turd. The children, in the febrile fantasy of Republican Pro-Liars, are as worthless as the women once they're born.</div></blockquote><br />Right. The pro-lifers aren't actually pro-life, and the family-firsters aren't pro-family. They can whine and yell that it's aLL foR tHe cHiLDreN, but it never has been.]]></description>
<dc:creator>kittehpeoples</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 07:40:48 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: They do not want adoption as an option</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452337,452343#msg-452343</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Cambion</strong><br/>
I don't think they realize that safe havens save kids' lives, so if women have to be afraid of being prosecuted for using them, then we're going to see a big uptick in babies left in dumpsters or out in the woods. Or just a whole lot more neglect and abuse when unwilling women are forced into motherhood. The whole point of the safe haven law is so women can surrender their kids <i>without</i> fear of legal punishment.<br /><br />But why would they want to go and do something that might help a woman when they can just fuck them over at every turn and then blame them for it?</div></blockquote><br />Once they are born, children's lives are less worthy than a flushed turd. The children, in the febrile fantasy of Republican Pro-Liars, are as worthless as the women once they're born.]]></description>
<dc:creator>craftyzits</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 03:02:43 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Moo actually charged in hot car death</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452338,452342#msg-452342</link><description><![CDATA[I will never not be amused by the advice to "leave something important like a purse or wallet with your child so you don't forget them." Like shouldn't the <i>child</i> be the important thing??<br /><br />I will always question hot car deaths because parents will remember other shit, but somehow, conveniently forget their kids. They could forget any number of things: forget their wallet, their shoes, their glasses, to brush their hair, to wear matching socks. But the thing they always forget is their kids. And if they are so impaired from exhaustion that they can forget a whole human being in the car for hours, why are they driving? Severe sleep deprivation is on par with drunk driving.<br /><br />Also, why is it parents only ever forget their kids in cars in the hottest months of the year? Why doesn't mommy brain strike in the spring, fall or winter? Why is it always when the temperatures can reach deadly levels inside vehicles? This seems highly suspicious to me.<br /><br />And in the case of this particular Moo, the article says all three kids attended the same daycare. The oldest two managed to get safely dropped off. So how did she manage to drop off two of the kids, but not the third one? Apparently her reasoning was sometimes she would bring the youngest one in separately and sometimes she'd bring all three in at once. She forgot her kid, but she remembered his diaper bag.<br /><br />Even if it was an "accident," she should still face charges. Assuming she didn't fry the kid on purpose and it really was an accident, it should still be cruelty to children or neglect. Maybe not murder (again, assuming it was not, in fact, intentional), but something. Allowing a child to succumb to heat death should not just be overlooked.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Cambion</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2026 11:21:40 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: They do not want adoption as an option</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452337,452341#msg-452341</link><description><![CDATA[I don't think they realize that safe havens save kids' lives, so if women have to be afraid of being prosecuted for using them, then we're going to see a big uptick in babies left in dumpsters or out in the woods. Or just a whole lot more neglect and abuse when unwilling women are forced into motherhood. The whole point of the safe haven law is so women can surrender their kids <i>without</i> fear of legal punishment.<br /><br />But why would they want to go and do something that might help a woman when they can just fuck them over at every turn and then blame them for it?]]></description>
<dc:creator>Cambion</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2026 11:06:30 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Moo leaves her disabled kid to die in a closet</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452329,452340#msg-452340</link><description><![CDATA[Naw, what she did was 110% wrong. That's why I said I didn't want to sound like I was defending her. But I don't think it's a simple thing to give up an older child...I feel like that's an easy enough google search, but at this time of night I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I start following links and three hours later the sun's coming up and I'm researching what agricultural zones bananas grow in, wondering how I got from point A to point Z. :explode]]></description>
<dc:creator>kittehpeoples</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 09:37:45 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: They do not want adoption as an option</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452337,452339#msg-452339</link><description><![CDATA[It isn't currently legal to tie women up and lock us in the basement, so I guess they're looking for other ways to constrain us.]]></description>
<dc:creator>kittehpeoples</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 09:31:35 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Moo actually charged in hot car death</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452338,452338#msg-452338</link><description><![CDATA[https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/mom-charged-murder-babys-hot-180649385.html<br /><br />One of the commenters said that life with kids leads to such sleep deprivation and such extreme stress at times that the hot car thing is reasonable. Maybe it IS that bad for them and they find out the hard way and do this. Although for some it is still probably a PNA]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:49:38 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>They do not want adoption as an option</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452337,452337#msg-452337</link><description><![CDATA[https://archive.is/92PJz<br /><br />Looks like the rethugs want to charge women who leave babies in safe havens. If guess if she is caught somehow she will then be charged with criminal abandonment. Not only to do they want to take away abortion, but they will try to forced women who chose adoption or are forced to to, I guess ,take the kid home and raise it.Look like the pregancy and birth are not punishment enough for sexual activity.]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:22:20 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Moo leaves her disabled kid to die in a closet</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452329,452336#msg-452336</link><description><![CDATA[Ohhh yes, I remember the Nebraska Safe Haven fiasco (2007, I think?). Man parents couldn't dump their brats fast enough - I believe one man drove to Nebraska and left all NINE kids there because his wife had died and he couldn't handle them.<br /><br />I didn't realize it was harder to give an older child up. I understand probably no one would want to pay money to take an older disabled child, but couldn't it still be taken into foster care? Like they get kids of all ages when they are taken by CPS, but people willingly giving their older kids up is problematic?<br /><br />I'm sure if she approached any of her or the baby daddy's relatives and said she can't do it anymore (especially if she said she would leave the child to die), they would have taken the child in. She could have abandoned the kid in a public place and worn a mask so she wouldn't be identified. What if she hauled the kid to the ER and said, "I can't handle them anymore, take them?" Would they honestly turn them away knowing the kid's well-being might be at risk if they refuse? I feel like there were options besides abandonment, but they weren't as "easy" as locking the child in a closet and leaving.<br /><br />I wouldn't judge her for being unable to handle a special needs child (especially on her own), but even if adoption was not feasible, I feel like there were alternatives she could have considered. The punishment for abandonment is almost certainly less severe than that of murder. If she was planning on letting her kid die, couldn't she have done it quickly so the kid didn't suffer? I wonder if she let the kid die slowly of dehydration/malnutrition as "punishment" for being a difficult child.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Cambion</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 10:05:05 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Parents are getting more entitled that ever--but these got the boot!:thumb</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452290,452334#msg-452334</link><description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>cfuter</strong><br/>
<b>From Childfree Reddit</b>:<br /><br />We've been active on this board for decades now, and somehow parunts are actually worse. I mean, the thing before the movie says 'shut all devices off', did they think there was exceptions for huge ipads and wiggily kids and parents who want a nite out, fuck everyone else behind them?!</div></blockquote><br />This is one reason I don't visit movie theaters anymore. In fact, I don't go out at all except to visit the doctor.]]></description>
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<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Parents are getting more entitled that ever--but these got the boot!:thumb</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452290,452333#msg-452333</link><description><![CDATA[If the child is too young or too dumb to sit through the movie and shut up, then don't take the creature to the movies. I will make an exception to this for kid movies. But this movie is not a children's film.]]></description>
<dc:creator>peace-n-quiet</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Another article about regretful parents</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452291,452332#msg-452332</link><description><![CDATA[Children aren't stupid and know when they are not wanted. That's one of the reasons that there are so many messed up people out there. Psychiatrists and therapists are the only ones profiting off of people having kids they don't want.]]></description>
<dc:creator>peace-n-quiet</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Pro-liar ruins college girl's life</title><link>http://www.refugees.bratfree.com/read.php?2,452279,452331#msg-452331</link><description><![CDATA[This is why you move in silence. If you don't want the kid, keep your mouth shut....don't even tell the father. Women are the ones who have to do most of the dirty work when it comes to childrearing. The father will be traveling for work in Thailand and you will be scraping vomit out of your carpet. There are exceptions to every rule, but most men don't pull their weight when it comes to the dirty work of parenting.]]></description>
<dc:creator>peace-n-quiet</dc:creator>
<category>The Living Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate></item>
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