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...I don't think it's okay to wait until the third trimester to have an elective abortion for convenience when it could have been performed in the first trimester. I think when the fetus can live on it's own that it's wrong to employ one of the many awful methods of abortion at 7, 8, or even 9 months' gestation and I feel like THAT is murder.
It especially sounds like murder to me when labor must be induced. Then, since legally more than half the baby can't be outside their hole or it's considered a live birth, they slice it up, burn it to death chemically, or poke a sharp object through it's skull to kill it before it's body reaches the halfway point, among other methods. Does that make me "pro-life"? These are some of the reasons why the abortion debate is so heated. So, technically the woman sounds "Pro-choice" to me because, while she doesn't choose abortion for herself, she thinks that women in general should have a "choice". Abortion isn't a black and white topic and there are many schools of thought on the subject in addition to the few that I mentioned. IMHO.
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I think a woman who calls herself pro life because she wouldn't have an abortion but supports the right of other women to choose is actually confused about what pro life and pro choice mean.
It really is simple, isn't it? Pro choice means exactly what it says it means.Choose to abort.Choose to breed.The important word is CHOOSE.Pro-life means exactly the opposite of what it claims to mean. Pro lifers want to force women to keep their unwanted mistakes,even if it ruins their lives,instead of aborting before the mistakes become people with ruined lives ,too.They don't care how much misery results from their efforts to inflict their beliefs on others with oposing,equally valid ,and usually far more thought-out beliefs of their own.
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"Irresponsible sluts should be punished for their irresponsibility with a baby! That'll teach 'em!"
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Well, I suppose that's better than the other way around...pro-choice for herself but pro-life for others. You know, the Fundie Way. fuck
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By your own source, the list of reasons for waiting is for women who waited until 16 weeks. True, the vast majority of abortions are performed by 9 weeks, so 16 would be late by comparison, but it's still not near viability yet.
It's entirely possible for someone to not realize they're pregnant until late, especially if they were already overweight and/or kept having a period. Hell, TLC has a program called "I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant" about women who didn't discover they're pregnancy until they're in labor, and explains how that can happen.
I am very uncomfortable imposing arbitrary limits on when a woman can and can't seek abortion care. Who am I to control someone else's medical care? And why should pregnancy, at any stage, make a woman's body any less her own?
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You can get to the 17th week and not know you're pregnant. I did. I was on Alesse birth control pills plus the guy and I rigorously used condoms. I had my periods normally, no cramps, no weight gain, no NOTHING. I also, having been adamantly childfree since I was first conscious (an early identifier) was in the habit of doing pregnancy tests a lot. I did TWO during this pregnancy. The first one came out negative - that was at about the 13th week stage. The second one I did around the 17th week stage and I couldn't believe that the test results were correct given the early negative plus all of my precautions. Went to the gyno, had a snippy woman do an ultrasound and try to get me to look at the parasite, the same woman who said, "You're in a relationship, right?" (Yes, actually - with the love of my life - same guy I'm with now 12 years later.) "Well if you really love him didn't you ever think that you guys should have a kid together?" This bitch is telling me this while I'm seriously planning ways to kill myself if I can't get an abortion.
I was able to get one at 19 weeks at a place that specialized in late term abortions. Most of the women there were very young, probably teens who hid their pignancy from their parents, doing the "face of shame" as they sat in the lobby with their cranky looking dads or frowning mothers. When I went to the clinic to see if they could do one for me they did their own ultrasound and said this was about the latest they did them and I'd have to get scheduled right away. I openly told them if I couldn't get one I WOULD be killing myself. And I would have. I am THAT hardcore childfree.
Fortunately, they did the surgery, and life returned to normal. It was sad and traumatic because it just fucking IS and it was NOT what I would have chosen.
So, kidlesskim, sometimes you DON'T know. Even when doing regular pregnancy tests on yourself and taking massive precautions. A tubal was out of the question at that point in my life because I was 28 and no doctor would perform one for me. THAT would have been nice, to be able to get one and avoid the shit I went through.
PS Abortion clinics are really sad. The doctors have to sort of hide them away and change offices regularly because of protestors and trying to provide a safe environment for patients. My doctor had moved addresses several times in the last few years, and thank god nobody was protesting outside. But it was a dark, ugly, inner city office, and it was about an hour away from where I lived. If I'd lived farther away it would have been SO much harder. And at that time there were very FEW places doing later term abortions - I imagine now there are even fewer. I'm in the Northeast near several major cities. Lucky me.