Moos Lobby for Birth Certificates for Loaves Born Dead:wtf November 15, 2011 | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 12,447 |
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If they succeed in this on a wide scale, they will have successfully made it clear where THEIR inpigness falls on the Hierarchy Scale of Pregnancy Loss™ within the Moo-Wars bunch. "Yes but do YOU have a stillbirth certificate? If NOT, you simply had a miscarriage and MY loss is greater than yours!":BS.................................... They want recognition for births which are nothing more than miscarriages and I expect to see a LOT of them letting the dead fetus stay inside them for however long it takes to get that fucking "certificate".:smn
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http://www.stillnomore.org/main.htm
Once you enter the main page of The Stillbirth society, click on number 2 on the left under "stillborn certificates" to view this topic, although there are MANY more. I am shocked at just how deeply Moos feel about feeling entitled to have their Moo-Hood recognized and revered by all, even when the loaf is born dead.
Excerpts, but this is most of it
"Why We Need A Certificate of Still Birth"
1) "..........We get to say hello and goodbye in the same breath. Instead of a bright future, all we're left with is shattered dreams of what might have been........ we're given a fetal death certificate. No baby to take home. No reward for the months of waiting. No acknowledgement for our having given birth.
2) When we discover that what once lived within us is dead we want to run away. But we can't, just yet. First we must deliver our baby, just like the mothers of live babies do. We must endure the pain. Just like mothers of live babies. And when it's over we geJt to hold our baby, just like mothers of live babies do. But then we have to give our baby back and go home to an empty nursery.
3) Contrary to what the pundits say, it is possible to fool Mother Nature. She doesn't know our baby died, and so she dutifully produces milk to nourish and protect that, which is no longer living. She knows we gave birth. We know we gave birth. But the state says not. Stillbirth mothers are not yet acknowledged as mothers by most states, but we're working to change that.
4) Birth is a process that all mothers endure; live or "still" is the outcome of that process. If we recognize a live birth, why would the state not recognize a stillbirth? Is it to punish the mother whose baby is born dead? Is she not somehow worthy? Did she fail somehow? That's what she thinks. If we give a the mother of a live birth a "Certificate of Live Birth" why would we not give the mother of a stillborn baby a Certificate of Still Birth? Or a Certificate of Birth Resulting in Stillbirth. That's the reality of the event!
5) All mothers give birth; only the outcomes of those births differ. To deny a woman a "Certificate" when she fails to produce a living child, is to say that she did not give birth, which is not true. To deny a woman recognition for this seminal event in her life is to deny the event occurred. To deny a woman recognition is to tell her she is a failure. It is an open wound upon her soul that will never heal unless and until her sacrifice is recognized; just as live birth mothers are recognized.
6) On August 9, 2001 in Phoenix, Arizona, Sharon Arnold, wife of NSS Founder Richard K. Olsen, and Joanne Cacciatore-Garard, founder of the MISS Foundation and the author of the MISSing Angels Bill, were presented the first ever Certificates of Birth Resulting in Still Birth to be issued in the United States. The state of Arizona has led the way by acknowledging that these brave women and others in the state gave birth, and that their daughters, Camille and Cheyenne, though born still, did for one brief and glorious moment pass through this world. Your state should recognize you and your babies too, because all our children matter.
-) They are ALREADY GIVEN a fetal DEATH certificate! If it never lived, then how can they get a birth certificate because it has to be ALIVE at some point to get a live birth certificate. I am confused as to what they want. Do they want simply a certificate to read they gave BIRTH to a dead baby? At what level of gestation should these be given and WHY? For what reason" They can't have life insurance on a loaf not yet born, they can't enroll it in daycare or sign up for Medicaid or get it a social security number.
So, I fail to understand the reasoning behind it if they DO get a death certificate where they get to give it a name and all that ANYWAY. It seems the sole purpose of this nonsense is they want recognition for having given birth. Does a "fetal death certificate" not already prove that? UNBELIEVABLE. The birth and death statistic offices will have a difficult time dealing with THIS bullshit if they have to have a birth AND death certificate for every fucking miscarriage and dead baby sluiced.:smn
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Re: Moos Lobby for Birth Certificates for Loaves Born Dead:wtf November 17, 2011 |
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Is it me, or are they sounding more like a kid who did not get a trophy for showing up? A birth certificate is not a trophy for getting pregnant. It is sad the kid did not survive, but there are reasons you don't get a birth certificate with a dead fetus.
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Is it me, or are they sounding more like a kid who did not get a trophy for showing up? A birth certificate is not a trophy for getting pregnant. It is sad the kid did not survive, but there are reasons you don't get a birth certificate with a dead fetus.
No, that's exactly what it is. They want their trophy for participating in the Breeder's Cup race; that they didn't make it out of the starting gate is a trifling matter...
do they finish higher in the race for having LIVING twins? do they finish higher or lower if they have STILLBORN twins vs/ have ONE stillborn fetus?
man, breeders lives are so complicated, and yet SO VERY STUPID.
Maybe we should let them have a DEAD BABY OLYMPICS. Fetus Tossing! Relay-Fetus Races! Fetus-Lifting! All the MOOS with DEAD FETII can get LOTS OF AWARDS AND CERTIFICATES!
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Is it me, or are they sounding more like a kid who did not get a trophy for showing up? A birth certificate is not a trophy for getting pregnant. It is sad the kid did not survive, but there are reasons you don't get a birth certificate with a dead fetus.
No, that's exactly what it is. They want their trophy for participating in the Breeder's Cup race; that they didn't make it out of the starting gate is a trifling matter...
do they finish higher in the race for having LIVING twins? do they finish higher or lower if they have STILLBORN twins vs/ have ONE stillborn fetus?
man, breeders lives are so complicated, and yet SO VERY STUPID.
Maybe we should let them have a DEAD BABY OLYMPICS. Fetus Tossing! Relay-Fetus Races! Fetus-Lifting! All the MOOS with DEAD FETII can get LOTS OF AWARDS AND CERTIFICATES!
There actually IS a published scale of Moo Hierarchy of Kid Loss™, but of course it's an unspoken one among the Moos. It can be easily observed and verified though by simply looking around you at ones you have known personally and by public example of the thousands of Moo debates, articles, blogs, movies, documentaries, and internet postings about how one loss basically trumps another. It's like their scale of Hierarchy of Birth™ ,only it's for deaths instead. It's based on the overall amount of sympathy, attention, time and degree allowed for mourning based on societal perception and mostly a general opinion found among the Moos themselves. It's a social studies concept created by a Bratfree member based on numerous Moo observations.
I don't have time to publish the "study" in it's entirety, but below is a brief excerpt of examples of what types of kid death trump another:
Moo Hierarchy of Kid Death™
(in order of highest to lowest)
A good rule of thumb is to remember that bio always trumps adopted or step, under twelve always trumps teen, and minor child always trumps adult child. Pregnant adult daughter death trumps adult son death with pregnant wife, childed adult child death trumps unchilded adult child death, and the older the adult child the less value it's death has on the scale. "Pre-born" has it's own trump order too which are mentioned below:
1)Murder of child under the age of 12 by a verified stranger abduction
2)Childhood disease resulting in death (there are various levels where preventable or treatable has less value than say, unexpected and untreatable rare childhood cancers that would trump an unvaccinated Measles death, for instance )
3)Childhood accidents(Again, preventable is worth less than freak accident, for instance)
4)Stillborn and otherwise healthy full term baby
5)Pregnancy loss at 5-8 months gestation or third trimester
6)Pregnancy loss at 2-5 months gestation or second trimester
7)Pregnancy loss under 3 months gestation or first trimester
This is only a brief look into the "study" as there are many subsets, categories, and variables such as whether the Moo was married or a single Moo, how many kids she already had, and her race, socio-economic level, legal status, age, etc.............It gets rather complicated.
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And as well all know, any of those deaths trump the death of a spouse, one or both parents (no matter your age when they died), a sibling, or grandparent/aunt/uncle/cousin.
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