Kidlesskim gets called out on a blog (Trisomy 18 Cow Moos and Lows)
Posted by KABA
Momof4boyz Post on Her Blog Brings her Out, Like a Boil Eruption:
Momof4boyzAugust 17, 2012 10:08 PM
"I have looked around on here a while because my oldest boy is a precious Downs child, although I know that's not NEARLY as bad as Trisomy 18, which is why I never posted. At first I though this kidleskim person sounded horrible(not that i think she's nice now!) and I got curious and put it in Google from what you wrote on here and went and looked on that childless site that got posted about on google. I'll agree the "lingo" they use over there is offensive, but it's nothing I haven't heard before. Anywho, I read all about this over there and saw where they were posting all your blog posts from here, or just about, about Medicaid, Wic, the donations, how you brag and spend to much and so on. I must say I am kinda shocked at all those trips you take and on how you spent donations going out to eat and concerts and everything.
Don't get me wrong I know couples need there time alone, but for people like me and my husband that can't even afford Taco Bell and our last "vacation" was to McDonalds Playland for the kids and then putt putt when we were off from work for a few days and then Pizza Hut once in a great long while on that weekend which IS a treat I know, but I think I make my point. We do cheap things as a family and sure can't go off to Canada and all those other places you went!!!!!! We get Medicaid for Jacob and WIC for the youngest two, but we absolutely can NOT afford to give them allowances like you talk about on here and the cell phones that get the internet and sure NOT beach trips and to Canada and all that like in Philly, DC, and wherever all else it said you went i don't remember but it was alot!(to me at least)
If you can afford it then great, but you need to understand it makes people like us look bad when we REALLY need help just to live we need help, not so we can pay off bills early, by two houses and go out and all that other stuff they posted from your blog. I feel for you with your sweet and sick little angel but hun, you brought out the demons when you went off and bragged about all you do and spend and let them all know you get Medicaid, wic and the donations to which you really should ONLY spend on Lilly and not on yourself or even the other kids and its just not right you do and then brag about it to, or seem to I don't mean to hurt youre feelings, but you reallly need to stop and look at all the amunition you give these people with youre hundreds of posts that sounds like bragging, to me anyway they do, they really do, alot. but i know you didn't meant to and i know you hurt inside but think next time ok?
God bless you"
Turd Predictably Rises to the Top in Response
Jill SmithAugust 17, 2012 11:48 PM
Dear Momof4boyz, Thank you for your honest and insightful comment. You're right. I did open up this can, but that's ok. What I'm most upset about is the generalizing and the misunderstanding that is floating around this bratfree community regarding my lifestyle. That's ok, too, because they don't know a shred of the person I am. It's funny, because I've had people say that the post I wrote about our budget has inspired them. No criticism from them, but I guess we each interpret things differently. I respect that.
I will say a few things that I hope puts you at ease. First, we've been off of WIC for a while--our choice. I bet that was never discussed, and while they can condemn me for that, both my husband and I have worked since we were 14 years old, minus these past three years for me. I think we've paid enough into the system to be on WIC for a small amount of time, considering. In case you were wondering, my husband makes approx. $50,000 in his fulltime job. He works a parttime job and occasionally writes grants. The extra money he makes goes into our savings. Plus, we do a way to save program with our bank, and that money is for vacation.
As for our trips, my inlaws own a time-share type place, so we don't have to worry about paying for a hotel, which for us, would be the major expense in traveling. And our trips to NY, PA, and ALL of the other places were either conferences that my husband went to (his work was aware that we went with him), places where we stayed with family, or the time-share places. Our trip to Canada was to see my husband's grandmother before she passes away because we knew we might not get a chance to see her again. I'm wondering, am I that bad of a person because we did that? I don't think so, but I see how some could disagree.
We live very modestly, believe it or not. We don't put things on credit and that's because we don't buy things that make us put it on credit.
As for the donations, I'm confused. If someone gave me a gift card for a movie theater, my husband and I used it to go see a movie. The people I know who would give such a gift would also think of our need to get out every once in a while and would gladly gift that to us. Right now, I get a Target gift card from an anonymous donor, and we use it to buy diapers and wipes and occasionally, clothes for the kids. I'm trying to think what concert I went to where I spent donated money that I don't even receive, because it's always been gift cards. Hmmm. And we haven't been out as a couple since April, and that was for my birthday
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Oh, and we own two homes because we were unable to sell our first house. We rent it to my brother and have put it on the market a second time and still haven't sold it. I ask you, honestly, should I rent or should I foreclose? I think renting would be better.
I never meant to come across as bragging, but thank you for pointing that out to me. I'm proud of the fact that we have a budget and make ends meet on my husband's salary, that we don't hold Lily back and we take her places and give her experiences. We DO NOT use other people's money to do that. It is money that has been hard-earned. As I'm sure you know, it is a life that has been hard-pressed, and I'm proud that we're making our way through it, difficulties and all. I guess there's a fine line between bragging and being proud.
I sincerely wish you the best with your son and the journey that you are on. I know it's not easy. But I believe that it's the difficult situations that make us stronger. Hang in there, girl! And I hope that I've allowed you to understand that I'm not some free-loading-take-advantage-of-the-system (or of people) kind of girl. You seem like an honest reader, and I think you deserve to see that I'm not that way. As for the hurt, oh, I was about 20% hurt because of the comments, but I'm over that already.
Thank you, again, for your comment.
God bless,
Jill
I'll bring out my virtual scalpel for a dissection later on today
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
Momof4boyzAugust 17, 2012 10:08 PM
"I have looked around on here a while because my oldest boy is a precious Downs child, although I know that's not NEARLY as bad as Trisomy 18, which is why I never posted. At first I though this kidleskim person sounded horrible(not that i think she's nice now!) and I got curious and put it in Google from what you wrote on here and went and looked on that childless site that got posted about on google. I'll agree the "lingo" they use over there is offensive, but it's nothing I haven't heard before. Anywho, I read all about this over there and saw where they were posting all your blog posts from here, or just about, about Medicaid, Wic, the donations, how you brag and spend to much and so on. I must say I am kinda shocked at all those trips you take and on how you spent donations going out to eat and concerts and everything.
Don't get me wrong I know couples need there time alone, but for people like me and my husband that can't even afford Taco Bell and our last "vacation" was to McDonalds Playland for the kids and then putt putt when we were off from work for a few days and then Pizza Hut once in a great long while on that weekend which IS a treat I know, but I think I make my point. We do cheap things as a family and sure can't go off to Canada and all those other places you went!!!!!! We get Medicaid for Jacob and WIC for the youngest two, but we absolutely can NOT afford to give them allowances like you talk about on here and the cell phones that get the internet and sure NOT beach trips and to Canada and all that like in Philly, DC, and wherever all else it said you went i don't remember but it was alot!(to me at least)
If you can afford it then great, but you need to understand it makes people like us look bad when we REALLY need help just to live we need help, not so we can pay off bills early, by two houses and go out and all that other stuff they posted from your blog. I feel for you with your sweet and sick little angel but hun, you brought out the demons when you went off and bragged about all you do and spend and let them all know you get Medicaid, wic and the donations to which you really should ONLY spend on Lilly and not on yourself or even the other kids and its just not right you do and then brag about it to, or seem to I don't mean to hurt youre feelings, but you reallly need to stop and look at all the amunition you give these people with youre hundreds of posts that sounds like bragging, to me anyway they do, they really do, alot. but i know you didn't meant to and i know you hurt inside but think next time ok?
God bless you"
Turd Predictably Rises to the Top in Response
Jill SmithAugust 17, 2012 11:48 PM
Dear Momof4boyz, Thank you for your honest and insightful comment. You're right. I did open up this can, but that's ok. What I'm most upset about is the generalizing and the misunderstanding that is floating around this bratfree community regarding my lifestyle. That's ok, too, because they don't know a shred of the person I am. It's funny, because I've had people say that the post I wrote about our budget has inspired them. No criticism from them, but I guess we each interpret things differently. I respect that.
I will say a few things that I hope puts you at ease. First, we've been off of WIC for a while--our choice. I bet that was never discussed, and while they can condemn me for that, both my husband and I have worked since we were 14 years old, minus these past three years for me. I think we've paid enough into the system to be on WIC for a small amount of time, considering. In case you were wondering, my husband makes approx. $50,000 in his fulltime job. He works a parttime job and occasionally writes grants. The extra money he makes goes into our savings. Plus, we do a way to save program with our bank, and that money is for vacation.
As for our trips, my inlaws own a time-share type place, so we don't have to worry about paying for a hotel, which for us, would be the major expense in traveling. And our trips to NY, PA, and ALL of the other places were either conferences that my husband went to (his work was aware that we went with him), places where we stayed with family, or the time-share places. Our trip to Canada was to see my husband's grandmother before she passes away because we knew we might not get a chance to see her again. I'm wondering, am I that bad of a person because we did that? I don't think so, but I see how some could disagree.
We live very modestly, believe it or not. We don't put things on credit and that's because we don't buy things that make us put it on credit.
As for the donations, I'm confused. If someone gave me a gift card for a movie theater, my husband and I used it to go see a movie. The people I know who would give such a gift would also think of our need to get out every once in a while and would gladly gift that to us. Right now, I get a Target gift card from an anonymous donor, and we use it to buy diapers and wipes and occasionally, clothes for the kids. I'm trying to think what concert I went to where I spent donated money that I don't even receive, because it's always been gift cards. Hmmm. And we haven't been out as a couple since April, and that was for my birthday
.
Oh, and we own two homes because we were unable to sell our first house. We rent it to my brother and have put it on the market a second time and still haven't sold it. I ask you, honestly, should I rent or should I foreclose? I think renting would be better.
I never meant to come across as bragging, but thank you for pointing that out to me. I'm proud of the fact that we have a budget and make ends meet on my husband's salary, that we don't hold Lily back and we take her places and give her experiences. We DO NOT use other people's money to do that. It is money that has been hard-earned. As I'm sure you know, it is a life that has been hard-pressed, and I'm proud that we're making our way through it, difficulties and all. I guess there's a fine line between bragging and being proud.
I sincerely wish you the best with your son and the journey that you are on. I know it's not easy. But I believe that it's the difficult situations that make us stronger. Hang in there, girl! And I hope that I've allowed you to understand that I'm not some free-loading-take-advantage-of-the-system (or of people) kind of girl. You seem like an honest reader, and I think you deserve to see that I'm not that way. As for the hurt, oh, I was about 20% hurt because of the comments, but I'm over that already.
Thank you, again, for your comment.
God bless,
Jill
I'll bring out my virtual scalpel for a dissection later on today
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
Kids Can Get Medicaid EVEN IF Parents Have Insurance AND Assets
The MAIN problem with the welfare system in America, besides the abuse of it and that's one result from the main problem, is eligibility is often times subjective and left up to the states. Some states allow people who have private group health insurance to go on Medicaid IF they have a child with a serious illness or disease that have medical needs their insurance doesn't fully cover, like with Tri-Tardism, anacephaly,(no brain), etc......and generally their condition is TERMINAL too. However, ADULTS who work and have group insurance ONLY qualify for Medicaid after they get so sick they can't work and lose their jobs, and hence their health insurance.:headbrick
ADULTS on Medicaid also can't generally have any assets and aren't allowed to have over 2k in any combined bank or even "retirement" accounts, are REQUIRED to draw against life insurance policies if applicable, like in the case when there's equity in them OR when they have a clause in them that says they can cash in a portion of the life insurance policies for a terminal illness. They are FORCED to hand over that part of their LIFE insurance to their medical providers BEFORE they can qualify for Medicaid! THIS of course leaves the surviving spouse BROKE, after they die. However, all of this is WAIVED when it's a child, in some states.
Medicaid and WIC
In other words, you could have a household income of 50k, own two houses, and have tens of thousands in savings accounts, a "stay at home" unemployed mom BY CHOICE, HAVE insurance, and if your have a tri-tard, it can qualify for Medicaid and run up literally MILLIONS in medical bills PAID BY THE STATE, with NO CO-PAYS OR DEDUCTIBLES, until it finally dies. WIC is the same damned type of welfare and VERY EASY to get. They claim to have income requirements but they don't check into it if you produce the right check stub. EVEN IF you fully disclose income, it's very generous like a family of 4 in my area can earn up to about 40k a year and STILL get WIC. WIC is for kids under six and inpig cows ONLY and no one else, period.
Military Moos just about ALL get it as can most anyone else. I personally know a Cow-cousin in law who ONLY produces her weekly base paycheck stub and purposely doesn't disclose her monthly commission check, which is the BULK of her yearly earnings as she's a successful sales person of manufactured housing. which would render her INELIGIBLE for WIC. They do NOT check as long as you have kids under 6 and claim NEED. !:headbrick
WIC is Discriminatory
Another thing about WIC that's different from regular welfare is they do NOT require the unemployed(SAHM) adult(s) in the house even TRY to get employment or that they sign up for work programs and at the state employment offices. WIC doesn't care if you are voluntarily unemployed AS LONG as you have kid(s) under six years of age and/or are knocked up. In my area, they get about $200 in FREE groceries, PER KID and about 1 1/2 times that for inpig cows. THIS is why somebody with a SINGLE wage earner family income of 50k with THREE kids can brag about only having to spend $190 a month at the grocery store because they probably get at LEAST $600 PER MONTH in WIC, which covers vegetables, fruits, cereal, peanut butter, tuna, milk, cheese, eggs, beans, bread, etc.........................................: POOR OR SICK-DISABLED ADULTS CAN NOT GET WIC, or anything similar to it even.
WIC-Welfare needs a COMPLETE overhaul, yesterday. :sbx
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
The MAIN problem with the welfare system in America, besides the abuse of it and that's one result from the main problem, is eligibility is often times subjective and left up to the states. Some states allow people who have private group health insurance to go on Medicaid IF they have a child with a serious illness or disease that have medical needs their insurance doesn't fully cover, like with Tri-Tardism, anacephaly,(no brain), etc......and generally their condition is TERMINAL too. However, ADULTS who work and have group insurance ONLY qualify for Medicaid after they get so sick they can't work and lose their jobs, and hence their health insurance.:headbrick
ADULTS on Medicaid also can't generally have any assets and aren't allowed to have over 2k in any combined bank or even "retirement" accounts, are REQUIRED to draw against life insurance policies if applicable, like in the case when there's equity in them OR when they have a clause in them that says they can cash in a portion of the life insurance policies for a terminal illness. They are FORCED to hand over that part of their LIFE insurance to their medical providers BEFORE they can qualify for Medicaid! THIS of course leaves the surviving spouse BROKE, after they die. However, all of this is WAIVED when it's a child, in some states.
Medicaid and WIC
In other words, you could have a household income of 50k, own two houses, and have tens of thousands in savings accounts, a "stay at home" unemployed mom BY CHOICE, HAVE insurance, and if your have a tri-tard, it can qualify for Medicaid and run up literally MILLIONS in medical bills PAID BY THE STATE, with NO CO-PAYS OR DEDUCTIBLES, until it finally dies. WIC is the same damned type of welfare and VERY EASY to get. They claim to have income requirements but they don't check into it if you produce the right check stub. EVEN IF you fully disclose income, it's very generous like a family of 4 in my area can earn up to about 40k a year and STILL get WIC. WIC is for kids under six and inpig cows ONLY and no one else, period.
Military Moos just about ALL get it as can most anyone else. I personally know a Cow-cousin in law who ONLY produces her weekly base paycheck stub and purposely doesn't disclose her monthly commission check, which is the BULK of her yearly earnings as she's a successful sales person of manufactured housing. which would render her INELIGIBLE for WIC. They do NOT check as long as you have kids under 6 and claim NEED. !:headbrick
WIC is Discriminatory
Another thing about WIC that's different from regular welfare is they do NOT require the unemployed(SAHM) adult(s) in the house even TRY to get employment or that they sign up for work programs and at the state employment offices. WIC doesn't care if you are voluntarily unemployed AS LONG as you have kid(s) under six years of age and/or are knocked up. In my area, they get about $200 in FREE groceries, PER KID and about 1 1/2 times that for inpig cows. THIS is why somebody with a SINGLE wage earner family income of 50k with THREE kids can brag about only having to spend $190 a month at the grocery store because they probably get at LEAST $600 PER MONTH in WIC, which covers vegetables, fruits, cereal, peanut butter, tuna, milk, cheese, eggs, beans, bread, etc.........................................: POOR OR SICK-DISABLED ADULTS CAN NOT GET WIC, or anything similar to it even.
WIC-Welfare needs a COMPLETE overhaul, yesterday. :sbx
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
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Momof4boyz doesn't sound much better, to be honest. Maybe it was just me but she sounded like she was kissing Jill's ass. I've noticed that all moos tend to stick together. From what I've seen anyway.
I actually thought she was one of us, the way all the ass-kissing was strung together, it totally sounded like one of our peeps being nice and smug. No one has claimed it, though.
Well, for Momof4boyz to have been one of us, he/she would have to be a celebrated "armchair psychologist", possess an uncanny ability to be able to go temporarily inside the head of a moo and think like they do, have a black-comedy style sense of humor, be blessed with a natural sense of what would need to be said to draw the cunt out of her safe little hidy hole and venture out like a ground hog on February 2, and an exceptional knack for penning a post and weaving a story, complete with typical Moo spelling and grammatical errors purposely included to make it appear authentic as if she were a COW her(or him) self.
This member must have also been especially enraged and personally offended by the public and unjustified, "calling out" of a childfree member to have been pushed into what amounts to trolling when it's a behavior they are generally opposed to as well.
Do we even have any members who fit that profile, and if so, would he-she ever admit it since the desired result was achieved with the, "end justifies the means" logic regarding trolling, in this one case?
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
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Momof4boyz doesn't sound much better, to be honest. Maybe it was just me but she sounded like she was kissing Jill's ass. I've noticed that all moos tend to stick together. From what I've seen anyway.
I actually thought she was one of us, the way all the ass-kissing was strung together, it totally sounded like one of our peeps being nice and smug. No one has claimed it, though.
Well, for Momof4boyz to have been one of us, he/she would have to be a celebrated "armchair psychologist", possess an uncanny ability to be able to go temporarily inside the head of a moo and think like they do, have a black-comedy style sense of humor, be blessed with a natural sense of what would need to be said to draw the cunt out of her safe little hidy hole and venture out like an O'possum on February 2, and an exceptional knack for penning a post and weaving a story, complete with typical Moo spelling and grammatical errors purposely included to make it appear authentic as if she were a COW her(or him) self.
This member must have also been especially enraged and personally offended by the public and unjustified, "calling out" of a childfree member to have been pushed into what amounts to trolling when it's a behavior they are generally opposed to as well.
Do we even have any members who fit that profile, and if so, would he-she ever admit it since the desired result was achieved with the, "end justifies the means" logic regarding trolling, in this one case?
Well, I can say that I did leave a comment on the blog, because I was so upset about what she'd done; coming here and then attacking one of our members...but I posted under 'anonymous' and I'm not mommy of 4 boyz. I just thought I'd mention it, because my name, mumofsixbirds, is so close to that person's name.
I assure you, the comment that I left, made no mention of bratfree or our board, and it was more a mention of my disgust about how she could go ahead and give birth to a child, knowing she would suffer such a horrible affliction.
*I just thought I should clear it up, in case anyone was wondering.
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