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Yvonne
I'm not hiding. No need to "out" me. I didn't delete my email. It wasn't used for so long that they disabled it. I can respect your position on this issue, however, none of you really know all of the facts and are forming your opinions based solely on the information that is shared which by no means is the whole story. You certainly have a right to share your like minded views in a forum. What bothers me is that you resort to name calling and personal attacks. Yes, I did the same thing and my approach to it should have been different. So I start with an apology for that. I was angry that it was personal against people that I love. From a mother's (or breeder or moo or whatever you call us), love for our children is unconditional. If you are incapable of unconditional love then you have made the right decision to not reproduce. You don't always know the outcome, as in the case with my niece but all we know for this child, and Lily, is love. My point in even looking at this site is because it became personal. When I read what you all write, I see your point and respect that and would agree with most of it. But in the case of Lily, her behavior is not text book trisomy. She has accomplished many things that the medical community said she would never do. Jill does not keep her alive by artificial means and never would. She is just a child and doesn't deserve to be so publicly disrespected. Jill has not violated any laws or abused any system. She is the most honest person you will ever meet. If she has done something wrong, leave it to an authority to deal with. yes, my opinion is biased but it based on facts. The words written here are taken out of context and twisted to look horrible. If Jill did all of the things that she is being accused of, I wouldn't want to be her friend. You can attack me if you want but leave these innocent children out of it. They don't deserve to be called names. Continue on if you'd like but I ask one thing of you. Respect others decisions as you expect your decision to be respected. Debates should be intelligent conversations not name calling ceremonies. Kidless i think you are a great writer. I just wish you would use it to make a positive impact in our society rather than feeding into the negativity that has become of this thread. I'm shocked at how much energy you all spend on Jill. You will respond with comments that I'm defending her because I'm her friend. I'm defending her because I know the whole story. I hope you all have something in your life that brings you true happiness.
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Yvonne and Jill will never respond to reason or own up to the fact that we have more compassion for Lily and the other severely disabled suffering kyds forced into the world just so mommy won't have to cry. They just don't get it and care more about our slang words than their own awful, immature actions resulting in prolonged pain - what kind of unconditional love is that.
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It isn't even so Mommy doesn't have to cry; it is so Mommy has a mainline to the attention that her junkie self craves. See, if Mommy cries, she gets attention but it will be short lived. Eventually something bad happens to someone else, and people move on. No more attention IV. As long as this poor kid is put to the test and remains alive, the attention IV flows into the vein. Chasing the dragon has nothing on an attention junkie.
I feel for this little girl. She is just a baby so she already has no understanding; add the Tri-18 element and all she likely knows is pain. She will never understand why she hurts. No one can tell me she doesn't feel it...surgery is fucking painful no matter who you are, or what it is for. I had a cath as a teenager and it was absolute hell.
There is my 2pence on this subject. My compassion is reserved for the child.
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You are all a bunch of fucking lemmings.
Stop regurgitating everything that kidlesskim says. Form your own opinion minions.
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I have a theory that there's a certain subset of breeders who see everyone as either fellow breeders or children.
You can see it right here: Kidless i think you are a great writer. I just wish you would use it to make a positive impact in our society rather than feeding into the negativity that has become of this thread. A smidge away from I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.
I'm sure there will be some armchair breedologist who chalks that up to my "rebellion", but brilliantly there's no way to do that without proving my point.
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I have a theory that there's a certain subset of breeders who see everyone as either fellow breeders or children.
You can see it right here: Kidless i think you are a great writer. I just wish you would use it to make a positive impact in our society rather than feeding into the negativity that has become of this thread. A smidge away from I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.
I'm sure there will be some armchair breedologist who chalks that up to my "rebellion", but brilliantly there's no way to do that without proving my point.
If you aren't a breeder you are a child. I have never met a breeder who didn't think that way on some level. If she isn't talking to another moo she's talking to a child and it wouldn't matter if KK was 20 years older than she is. In Pissy McBreederson's mind there are only two kinds of people in this world. Moos and chidren.
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Hi there, Yvonne. By now you're probably regretting showing your face here. Allow me to have the pleasure of informing you that it's just going to get worse from hereon in. I can't believe after her all her friend went through with being "outed" like she has been, that she'd think we wouldn't know everything there was to know about her fat ass within MINUTES of her first asinine post! I'd like to add, in case anyone is wondering, I have MANY more pages of information about Yvonne, tucked away for safe keeping, I fully intend on dragging out for our fodder IF she persists. She may consider the prior posts as my "hiss" because after all, some of us mean and heartless people who never knew love do possess a small amount of compassion for Pig-Moos who don't know any better and inadvertently wandered out of their pens .
Now, there's about a hundred different things wrong with your little self-righteous post, but let me focus on one, because it's the reason this whole debacle has me angry. And your commentary to follow is THE primary point I have been trying to convey to these SELFISH Cows :headbrick
But in the case of Lily, her behavior is not text book trisomy. She has accomplished many things that the medical community said she would never do. Jill does not keep her alive by artificial means and never would. Honestly, HOW can she even say this considering all the BLATANT evidence to the contrary?
Here's the thing, Yvonne. Lilly is full Trisomy. Picking her nose would be "accomplishing something the medical community said she would never do". But no matter how many times she picks her nose, flails her limbs, or makes a noise, she is not going to get better. Ever. No amount of physical therapy, trips to summer camp, vacations, or surgeries, are going to change the fact that she has the IQ of your average sea urchin, only with less mobility. She was brought into this world by her mother, who had full knowledge of her condition, and now exists in only to die. That is all she will ever do, in the end. This is not a treatable condition. She will live, trapped in a malfunctioning body and with no real consciousness, and then she will die. Nothing else. Absolutely what I have been trying to get across since the very beginning of this nonense.
And we have looked at Jill's blog, Yvonne. Jill takes her to physical therapy. She's forced Lilly to undergo surgery after surgery after surgery. There was a heart-rending description on Jill's blog about Lilly having to have a catheter repeatedly inserted because there is a skin flap over her urethrea. I can't imagine the kind of pain and distress she was in. It must have been as close to rape as anything she has ever experienced. And Lilly does not ask for these things. They are not for her benefit, because she will never get better. They will not improve her quality of life in the slightest, and she does not have the intellectual capacity to understand that her mother is doing this because she loves her. All she knows is that she is miserable, frightened, and in pain, and that pain is ongoing. No trips to summer camp can make up for that. Precisely one of my main points!
So, yes, Jill is keeping her alive by artificial means. She could have chosen to take her daughter home and let her die in warmth and comfort. Instead, she is forcing her child to undergo painful surgeries and humiliating, confusing treatments to try and keep her alive for another year or so. Lilly will not appreciate that extra year. She can't. The only reason for it is that Jill cannot let her terminally ill child go. NAIL, meet head
I follow a blog for horse-lovers. A while ago there was an article about a boarding stable that had in its care an ancient, crippled mare. This mare was in agony. She had multiple medical problems. She could not even eat without pain. No matter what her caregivers did, they could not make her comfortable. And yet the mare's owner refused point-blank to have her euthanized, and demanded the vet do everything possible to keep the mare alive. That is SO sad.
That is what Jill is doing. She is taking a creature and forcing her to live in pain and misery. For every picture of Lilly "smiling", there's a surgery. For every trip to Florida that she will not remember or treasure, there is a catheter insertion. I would not let any of my pets live such a miserable, degrading life, but Jill is being hailed as a hero for doing this to Lilly. Yet, it's WE who are cowards, cruel, heartless childless people who can't possibly understand, "real love" because we haven't squatted a defective loaf, subjected the poor thing to endless pain and suffering with NO HOPE for any semblance of a "cure" or recovery, and gone on WIC-Welfare, Medicaid, and opened a donation fund.
That is what makes me angry. And the people here, with our hateful words and curses...we have more compassion for Lilly, despite our language, than her mother and her supporters have ever seemed to.
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="I have acid reflux and it sucks hard. I have had heartburn for days on end because of it, but I can suck it up and deal with it. A kid really can't."
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="I have acid reflux and it sucks hard. I have had heartburn for days on end because of it, but I can suck it up and deal with it. A kid really can't."
It is horrible, at times mine gets painful. About a month ago, I got horribly sick and wound up in the ER. I suspect what happened was due to all the acid reducers I take, my stomach couldn't kill off some bacteria in some food I ate and I wound up with basically food poisoning. Since then, I drink yogurt for breakfast and have soup broth and crackers for lunch. At least I understand what my pain is. I can't imagine a disfunctional baby who can't understand a thing, trying to cope with acid reflux and its myriad of other problems.
In regard to this Mawm, I hope she's finally gotten her tubes tied and she stops popping out kydz. It's like she's having them for attention, else she would spend no time blogging and certainly not seeking out posts on a childFREE board.