Kidlesskim gets called out on a blog (Trisomy 18 Cow Moos and Lows)

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reaperess
Chris Burke has Down Syndrome, not Autism. Just a wee fact check.

You are so right, I got my syndromes confused!

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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!

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kidlesskim

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reaperess
Chris Burke has Down Syndrome, not Autism. Just a wee fact check.

You are so right, I got my syndromes confused!

Well, it's like asking "do you the greenish brown pile of crap, or the brownish green pile?".

When I was watching that show I didn't even know about autistic spectrum. Maybe it just hadn't been invented yet? Of course I did now a few anti-social spoiled brats.

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I walk the path of life to my own rhythm, my own beat-if you don't like it, step off and find your own damn song!

You are all a bunch of fucking lemmings.

Stop regurgitating everything that kidlesskim says. Form your own opinion minions.

So says the lemming that follows the breeder crowd right over the cliff of stupidity

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scorpio
You are all a bunch of fucking lemmings.

Stop regurgitating everything that kidlesskim says. Form your own opinion minions.

Who pissed in your Cheerios, dude?

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michaela

"A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter." -Jonathan Swift, A Modest Proposal

No kidding....

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scorpio
You are all a bunch of fucking lemmings.

Stop regurgitating everything that kidlesskim says. Form your own opinion minions.

I think you need to go back to biology 101 with that comment, or at the very least get a better copy of quotable quotes.

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I walk the path of life to my own rhythm, my own beat-if you don't like it, step off and find your own damn song!

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scorpio
You are all a bunch of fucking lemmings.

Stop regurgitating everything that kidlesskim says. Form your own opinion minions.

You, troll, are a fucking tard. We are all of similar mind, thus hanging out on the same damn forum. Kidlesskim happens to write quite well. There are various things upon which we all disagree, but we are all childfree and lean toward the end of that spectrum. We are all also compassionate toward life, something that breeders know nothing about.

When a breeder shits out a tard loaf, the attention from pregnancy becomes PERMANENT. For an attention whore, breeding a tard is the BEST thing that could have happened to her. For those of us who care about ALL life and are not so fucking self-absorbed, well, we tend to think about the quality of life of the child.

Quality of life of potential offspring is actually one of the reasons some of us are childfree (among many and valid other reasons). Do you ever see a breeder taking into consideration the life quality of their tard loaf? No.

Breeder: "Hmm, amniocentesis says my loaf will have a disorder that will cause tons of pain and suffering to said loaf. On top of that, my tard loaf will not be able to communicate its pain easily, if at all, and there is no way it will be able to understand the numerous procedures, operations, and unpleasant medications to which it will be subjected. Should I have an abortion and keep this being from suffering for its whole miserable life? That would be the kind thing to do. On the other hand, once a non-disabled loaf gets to be a little older, I lose all that yummy attention. Having a tard loaf will keep all eyes and interest on me for its entire little life. JACKPOT!!! No abortion, thank you. I want the attention.

Childfree: "Why are you so cruel to someone you supposedly love?" Insert genuine confusion and outrage here. While our like/dislike for children runs the gamut, of one thing you may be certain: unlike breeders, we wish no pain or suffering on any child.

It's your hell; you rot in it!

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reaperess
...When a breeder shits out a tard loaf, the attention from pregnancy becomes PERMANENT. For an attention whore, breeding a tard is the BEST thing that could have happened to her. For those of us who care about ALL life and are not so fucking self-absorbed, well, we tend to think about the quality of life of the child. Quality of life of potential offspring is actually one of the reasons some of us are childfree (among many and valid other reasons). Do you ever see a breeder taking into consideration the life quality of their tard loaf? No.

Breeder: "Hmm, amniocentesis says my loaf will have a disorder that will cause tons of pain and suffering to said loaf. On top of that, my tard loaf will not be able to communicate its pain easily, if at all, and there is no way it will be able to understand the numerous procedures, operations, and unpleasant medications to which it will be subjected. Should I have an abortion and keep this being from suffering for its whole miserable life? That would be the kind thing to do. On the other hand, once a non-disabled loaf gets to be a little older, I lose all that yummy attention. Having a tard loaf will keep all eyes and interest on me for its entire little life. JACKPOT!!! No abortion, thank you. I want the attention....

I totally agree.


I wonder if that makes me a lemming-minion? It isn't surprising the Moo of a "special needs" loaf, like this troll is, wouldn't "get" that a special interest group/message board type of site of like this, obviously comprised of like minded people, might share many of the same beliefs and opinions.

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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!

WE are the lemmings? Get with the program, breeder-troll!!!

"Scorpio", the most recent Moo Troll OUTED!

Our Troll deleted her email address jacquelinesaunt@yahoo.com after she posted, but NOT before I saw it. As I suspected, since the IP/Host: pool-108-9-34-21.tampfl.fios.verizon.net, she posted from reminded me about Jill Scot's "best friend" Yvonne Heverly she visited in Tampa on one of her MANY all expense paid trips, courtesy of the state, to Florida. Here's the quote from Jill Scott's blog regarding that visit:


From Jill Scott's Blog:
"....After the celebration, we headed to Tampa because that's where my best friend lives. Since we were in Florida and so close, it would have been a shame not to visit her! That visit was amazing! Not only did we see Yvonne and her family, but we also got to visit with her niece, Jackie. Jackie has a condition called Pallister-Killian Syndrome, a condition that is quiet rare. It seems that only about 200 children are diagnosed with this condition. Oh, what a sweet little baby! Another miracle to add to the list! My only regret is that the visit was not long enough....."


SO, "Scorpio", the Moo Troll, is JILL SCOTT'S BFF, Yvonne Heverly from Clearwater, Fl, who has a Tard niece named Jackie. Let's see what rare tard condition, Pallister-Killian Syndrome, Yvonne's niece has:


Jill's BFF Tard Niece's "Condition"
"Pallister–Killian syndrome (also tetrasomy 12p mosaicism or Pallister mosaic aneuploidy syndrome) is an extremely rare genetic disorder occurring in humans. Pallister-Killian occurs due to the presence of the anomalous extra isochromosome 12p, the short arm of the twelfth chromosome. This leads to the development of tetrasomy 12p.[1] Because not all cells have the extra isochromosome, Pallister-Killian is a mosaic condition. it was first described by Philip Pallister in 1977 and further researched by Maria Teschler-Nicola and Wolfgang Killian in 1981.[2]

Characteristics include varying degrees of developmental disability, epilepsy, hypotonia, and both hypopigmentation and hyperpigmentation. Patients also exhibit a distinctive facial structure, characterized by high foreheads, sparse hair on the temple, a wide space between the eyes, epicanthal folds, and a flat nose. Vision and hearing impairments may occur. Patients may also exhibit congenital heart defects, gastroesophageal reflux, cataracts, and supernumerary nipples. Diaphragm problems seen in newborns can lead to death shortly after birth.

As patients pass into adolescence, the syndrome is characterized by a coarse and flat face, macroglossia prognathia, inverted lower lip, and psychomotor retardation with muscular hypertonia and contractures." GOD, that sounds worse than Down Syndrome and the poor thing must look hideous too, what with the flat nose, wide set eyes, and high forehead.

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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!

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mumofsixbirds
WE are the lemmings? Get with the program, breeder-troll!!!

The group-think trouping associated with lemmings is actually a myth; Walt Disney came up with that. However, lemmings are more readily associated with breeders in their behavior:

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When these population explosions happen, the lemming migrate away from the denser centres. The migrations begin slowly and erratically ....
So lemmings do have their regular wild fluctuations in population - and when the numbers are high, the lemmings do migrate.

Makes me think of the way breeders, having blighted one area with subdivisions and seeking to a escape the crush, will fan farther out, spoiling more wilderness and farmland in their pursuit of new resources.

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scabies
You are all a bunch of fucking lemmings.

No, I'm a SHARK, as you can see from my classy picture!

Jackie has a condition called Pallister-Killian Syndrome, a condition that is quiet rare. It seems that only about 200 children are diagnosed with this condition. Oh, what a sweet little baby! Another miracle to add to the list! My only regret is that the visit was not long enough....."

Jill would appear to be a tard groupie. Her life would be incomplete without suffering loaves with severe disabilities. She sure seems to get off on that.

Kim- where is your trusty scalpel?

Yvonne needs a good dissecting!

You seem to forget that it was Jill that started this.

If I were a parent and happened to stumble upon this site I would take one look at the language and attitudes and stumble right the heck back out. This site uses very irreverent language; it's like a locker room. It's not meant for outsiders.

Jill posted a lot of things on her blog that ticked us off. We discussed them. We don't owe Lilly and her vomitting and ball rolling achievements a damn thing. Not respect, not anything. Maybe you should read the genuine resentment and frustration of a segment of the population who pays into the system and gets jack fucking shit out of it when they're in need. Jill whinges about having paid into the system...well so have we. It's gonna piss us off to see all Lilly's freebees when she can't even eat without barfing and has an intellect too low to even measure.

No matter how textbook Lilly is or isn't, she is still severely disabled. She is never going to do anything and that fact can't be dressed up. Bad enough you're deluding yourself but you're doing it on our dime while calling out a respected member of our community.

Cunt, er, moo er, Yvonne might want to tell her friend that she's been reported to the IRS as well as the state of South Carolina for fraud. We'll see what they think of her little outings and vacations then.

I will also be totally honest here. I'm the snitch. The narc. The tattletale. I had more fun in one day than I'd had in months. If I had known sitting on the phone with bureaucrats was going to be that enjoyable I would have done it a long time ago.

Even if that cunt going by the name Jill Scott hadn't pissed off most of Bratfree I'd have still done the snitching. It makes me sick that someone can go on vacation on the taxpayer's dime. I felt it was my civic duty to report what is obviously an abuse of the system.

Delete away, moo cunt. You can take down the entire blog if you want to but it won't change anything. I have the entire thing downloaded. I wish you sweet dreams from here on out. Taking down certain pages lets me know you're running scared and I enjoy that knowledge immensely.

Well, Yvonne, some points:

• When you put information out there on the internet, people will read it, and interpret it. Chances are, if Jill had never mentioned Kidlesskim, we would never have looked at her blog. If you want to protect people from public disrespect, the best option is to keep details private. Of course Lily isn't going to grow up to read what's been written, so in that way she's better off than many of today's children who are having intimate details of their lives splashed online by the very people who are supposed to protect their privacy.
• If you wonder why we dislike people like you, you've given a clue to it in your post. You may have thought you were writing a fairly polite letter, but you've claimed we're "incapable of unconditional love" and, by implication, that parents are capable of it. Childfree people face insults like this on a daily basis. It's hardly surprising that some of us are completely sick of this treatment, and have started to look quite closely at the actions of those who are most sainted in this society, and made the observation that the emperess is frequently completely naked.
• Perhaps you don't consider major surgery an artifical means of keeping people alive, but chances are, if a person would have died of it even 50 years ago, it's not exactly natural.
• Debates should indeed be intelligent conversations, but you are mistaken in thinking this is a debate. This is our site. We have rules about who can post, and you do not meet the qualifications. If I were interested in hearing your side of the story, I could find it easily enough, because your views are representative of the dominant culture in this society. You are the majority. We know damn well what your opinion is, and have no desire to read it on this board.
• Kim does make a positive contribution to our society. She has chosen not to reproduce and add to the overpopulation that is destroying our world and consuming resources at an alarming rate. You may not like us or thank us, but you should, because without people like us, there'd be even less available for your offspring. Resources aren't infinite, but people are breeding as if they were - we're already well above the population that can be sustained without oil. Our current state of surplus is a historic anomaly, but most people living in affluent societies seem to think it's the norm.
• We all have things in our lives which bring us happiness, but thanks for the fluffy bunny unicorn wishes. This board is entertainment: some people watch TV or play Farmville, whereas we prefer to snark. If you and other trolls stopped posting on this thread, it would quickly vanish from the front page and we'd move on to other topics.
• Paragraph breaks make your text much easier to read.

I don't believe that you have an interest in learning about us and our values, but if you find yourself completely baffled, you could try reading some books or articles which will put things in more polite terms than anyone here will bother to do. Laura Carroll is a place to start. Start with learning about the assumptions of pro-natalism and see how your position is infused with these values, which are by no means the objective truth.

Please don't post here again. (As you've observed, this will probably be the nicest response you will see.)

Kim should be up and doing her cat chores right about now. I look forward to her next post.

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"I have learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is easy and fun as hell"

I hope there's some way to follow-up on whether there will be an state/IRS investigation on this fraud queen. If the state looks at her and feels "sorry" because she's got a 'tard, that's negligence to the taxpayers. And there needs to be some kind of publicity about it. If people want to get up in arms about welfare fraud, there should be no exceptions for Moos with 'tards. Fraud is fraud, and I hope that's how the state will view it.

I love how you guys are outing Jill and Yvonne, and here they are rushing to cover their asses by deleting their blogs, etc. Reminds me of the good old days when I found my husband's ex's dirty adult friend finder profile, printed it off, and told her if she didn't leave us the fuck alone I would mail it to her parents. Then ensued a frenzy of deleting profiles on various embarrassing sites - but of course I had printed everything. LOL people are so stupid.

Hi there, Yvonne. By now you're probably regretting showing your face here. Allow me to have the pleasure of informing you that it's just going to get worse from hereon in.

Now, there's about a hundred different things wrong with your little self-righteous post, but let me focus on one, because it's the reason this whole debacle has me angry.

But in the case of Lily, her behavior is not text book trisomy. She has accomplished many things that the medical community said she would never do. Jill does not keep her alive by artificial means and never would.

Here's the thing, Yvonne. Lilly is full Trisomy. Picking her nose would be "accomplishing something the medical community said she would never do". But no matter how many times she picks her nose, flails her limbs, or makes a noise, she is not going to get better. Ever. No amount of physical therapy, trips to summer camp, vacations, or surgeries, are going to change the fact that she has the IQ of your average sea urchin, only with less mobility. She was brought into this world by her mother, who had full knowledge of her condition, and now exists in only to die. That is all she will ever do, in the end. This is not a treatable condition. She will live, trapped in a malfunctioning body and with no real consciousness, and then she will die. Nothing else.

And we have looked at Jill's blog, Yvonne. Jill takes her to physical therapy. She's forced Lilly to undergo surgery after surgery after surgery. There was a heart-rending description on Jill's blog about Lilly having to have a catheter repeatedly inserted because there is a skin flap over her urethrea. I can't imagine the kind of pain and distress she was in. It must have been as close to rape as anything she has ever experienced. And Lilly does not ask for these things. They are not for her benefit, because she will never get better. They will not improve her quality of life in the slightest, and she does not have the intellectual capacity to understand that her mother is doing this because she loves her. All she knows is that she is miserable, frightened, and in pain, and that pain is ongoing. No trips to summer camp can make up for that.

So, yes, Jill is keeping her alive by artificial means. She could have chosen to take her daughter home and let her die in warmth and comfort. Instead, she is forcing her child to undergo painful surgeries and humiliating, confusing treatments to try and keep her alive for another year or so. Lilly will not appreciate that extra year. She can't. The only reason for it is that Jill cannot let her terminally ill child go.

I follow a blog for horse-lovers. A while ago there was an article about a boarding stable that had in its care an ancient, crippled mare. This mare was in agony. She had multiple medical problems. She could not even eat without pain. No matter what her caregivers did, they could not make her comfortable. And yet the mare's owner refused point-blank to have her euthanized, and demanded the vet do everything possible to keep the mare alive.

That is what Jill is doing. She is taking a creature and forcing her to live in pain and misery. For every picture of Lilly "smiling", there's a surgery. For every trip to Florida that she will not remember or treasure, there is a catheter insertion. I would not let any of my pets live such a miserable, degrading life, but Jill is being hailed as a hero for doing this to Lilly.

That is what makes me angry. And the people here, with our hateful words and curses...we have more compassion for Lilly, despite our language, than her mother and her supporters have ever seemed to.

*applause*

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"A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter." -Jonathan Swift, A Modest Proposal

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Yvonne
I'm not hiding. No need to "out" me. I didn't delete my email. It wasn't used for so long that they disabled it. I can respect your position on this issue, however, none of you really know all of the facts and are forming your opinions based solely on the information that is shared which by no means is the whole story. You certainly have a right to share your like minded views in a forum. What bothers me is that you resort to name calling and personal attacks. Yes, I did the same thing and my approach to it should have been different. So I start with an apology for that. I was angry that it was personal against people that I love. From a mother's (or breeder or moo or whatever you call us), love for our children is unconditional. If you are incapable of unconditional love then you have made the right decision to not reproduce. You don't always know the outcome, as in the case with my niece but all we know for this child, and Lily, is love. My point in even looking at this site is because it became personal. When I read what you all write, I see your point and respect that and would agree with most of it. But in the case of Lily, her behavior is not text book trisomy. She has accomplished many things that the medical community said she would never do. Jill does not keep her alive by artificial means and never would. She is just a child and doesn't deserve to be so publicly disrespected. Jill has not violated any laws or abused any system. She is the most honest person you will ever meet. If she has done something wrong, leave it to an authority to deal with. yes, my opinion is biased but it based on facts. The words written here are taken out of context and twisted to look horrible. If Jill did all of the things that she is being accused of, I wouldn't want to be her friend. You can attack me if you want but leave these innocent children out of it. They don't deserve to be called names. Continue on if you'd like but I ask one thing of you. Respect others decisions as you expect your decision to be respected. Debates should be intelligent conversations not name calling ceremonies. Kidless i think you are a great writer. I just wish you would use it to make a positive impact in our society rather than feeding into the negativity that has become of this thread. I'm shocked at how much energy you all spend on Jill. You will respond with comments that I'm defending her because I'm her friend. I'm defending her because I know the whole story. I hope you all have something in your life that brings you true happiness.

Don't you have kids to raise?

Yvonne and Jill will never respond to reason or own up to the fact that we have more compassion for Lily and the other severely disabled suffering kyds forced into the world just so mommy won't have to cry. They just don't get it and care more about our slang words than their own awful, immature actions resulting in prolonged pain - what kind of unconditional love is that.

Great post, Canadiandragons. Very well said.

I would like to add that I agree with Kim, and I would go out on a limb here and say that she speaks for all of us.

I am very, very angry with Jill. I work my ass off, pay into the system, and I get jack in return because I never had a kid. Every day is a financial hardship for us. Do I post my problems on a website to garner sympathy like she does? No,I do not. I happen to think there is enough sadness in this world without me adding to it. I have too much pride to ask for donations,unlike Jill, who is apparently shameless about it. She chose this pathetic life for herself and has no one to blame but herself or her problems. I have nothing but sympathy for Lily, who hasn't idea why she is being subjected to painful and stressful surgeries and procedures that are doing nothing for her. By all rights, the only care she should be recieving is palliative care. There is no earthly reason she should be forced to endure a lifetime of misery and pain because her mother is a selfish cunt who thinks only of herself, and apparently thinks nothing about whoring her daughter out for sympathy.