Ryan on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another ‘method of conception’

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Shiny said, "How much of your hard earned paycheck are you willing to wager that dicks like this would shun people who are the products of rape for being illegitimate bastards?"

100%. You're dead right.

What the fuck is going on? Are the Republicans really deliberately trying to lose? Actually, I think they are, and I think both sides are trying to throw the election. Look at all the crap from the Obama/Biden camp. For some reason neither side really wants to be in office after Election Day, probably because they both think something very bad is going to happen within the next couple of years. We need to find out just what the hell it is.

Footnote: A local radio station reran one of Rush Limbaugh's shows from last week during the weekend. In that particular show, at least two people called to say that Todd Akin had to have been paid off to have made the asinine statement about legitimate rape not causing pregnancy. One in particular said that none of the fundies and Catholics he knew believed the nonsense about women being unable to conceive after rape, so he was suspicious of Akin's spouting off during a highly contested political campaign.

Actually, Romney supports abortion in cases of rape. Therefore, Akin's comments do not reflect those of Romney and Ryan, despite being anti-abortion in all instances due to his Catholic beliefs, has conceded that it is the Presidential nominee who dictates things. Romney's candidacy is to focus on economic issues and stay away from social and religious issues such as abortion and gay marriage, which I think is a smart move. Not all conservatives are anti-abortion or anti-gay marriage.

If they wanted to stay out of the "social and religious issues", they are doing one hell of a bad job o.o


Also: "staying away from "X" issue during a campaign" is, traslated from political speaking into plain english:

"I'll skirt on very important but touchy issues, since I am aware that the majority of the population would want me burned at a stake if I dared to voice them, but I'll try my damn best to force my views on the unsuspecting electorate as soon as I have put my tushie on that chair"

This work for ANY politician, mind you. Be more careful about what politicians DON'T say than about what they DO say.

Most social issues should fall on the states and the people, NOT on the federal government. Why should I want a federal level politician dictating whether abortion is legal in my state if he does not live here or know our problems? I think Romney himself is following more of a Chris Christie approach of sticking to the main issues: the economy and jobs creation.

No matter what Romney or Ryan believe anyway, as the biggest problems facing the nation are the encroaching role of government in our lives and the fact both the people and the states are willing to trade freedom for convenience. Why pay for education and all when you can let the government do it for you? Why work when the government will take it from someone else?

Zathoth, I would have never tought you would be in favour of unschooling, you, sly devil

Back to the topic: Rape is not a normal way of conception, nor is it acceptable. Period

It's not a normal way of conceiving. It is an act of power, pure and simple and why I am in favor of abortion being used in cases of rape. Forcing a woman to carry her attacker's child to term is still allowing her attacker to have power over her.

And after subbing, I really hate what I saw in the public schools, especially ones that receive millions in federal funds for being bad schools.

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“I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,” Ryan explained. “But let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney-Ryan ticket. And the president makes policy.”

Just found this:

http://www.thenation.com/article/169512/paul-ryan-goddam

By Melissa Harris-Perry. 32 comments so far.

Second half:

............True, Ryan is merely running for vice president—and with the singular exception of Dick Cheney, vice presidents haven’t had much significant policy influence. But with the Ryan pick, Romney has signaled that his moderation on women’s health issues is over. He is casting his lot with the most extreme elements of the anti-choice movement. It should hardly be surprising, then, that within a week of the announcement, GOP Senate candidate Todd Akin told Fox News that he saw little reason to consider abortion in the case of rape or incest, because pregnancy rarely results from sexual assault. According to Akin, “If it’s legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” Romney and other Republicans swiftly denounced the remark, but it’s easy to see why a Ryan candidacy might have led Akin to believe that such a position would be acceptable.

For more than a decade, GOP presidential candidates have pandered to pro-lifers but pivoted to a more moderate position in the general election. Now Romney is doing the opposite. This is, if nothing else, a fascinating political strategy. It forces the question: What’s the electoral arithmetic guiding Camp Romney? They seem to expect women swing voters to discount Ryan’s abysmal record.

Perhaps they will, but after spending a half-hour on the StairMaster recently, I’m not so sure. Cardio machines are the one place I indulge my guilty pleasure of reading women’s magazines. I was startled to see a deeply personal letter in the September issue of Women’s Health from editor in chief Michele Promaulayko titled “Your Body Is a Battleground.” In it she recounts her own experience of receiving sexual health counseling and contraception from Planned Parenthood when she was 15. Promaulayko directs readers to an article by Gretchen Voss that urges: “Read on to learn how your choices are endangered and what you need to do to keep them from becoming extinct.” It’s a no-nonsense, well-researched, action-focused piece whose bottom line is that voting for someone with a record like Ryan’s is tantamount to voting against the health of women. And this is in a magazine whose other articles tell readers “How to Have a Flat Belly in 15 Minutes” and keeps them abreast of the “10 Hot Hair Color Trends.” A lefty political rag it is not.

These women are interested in choice. And if choice appears in a magazine this mainstream, this close to the election, there’s good reason to think huge numbers of women will be prepared to demonstrate that at the polls. More than the breathless angst of progressive commentators, more than e-mail bombardments by feminist organizations, more than the slight panic in Romney’s tone as he reprimanded Akin, this article in Women’s Health has me convinced that by choosing Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney has ensured he will not be president of the United States.

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Here's the link to the Gretchen Voss article - I couldn't believe the quote from the NH GOP legislator, Lynne Blankenbeker!

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/birth-control-rights#ixzz25j1Cgbg5

he chose ryan because the guy is a finance expert and romney wants to show he's serious on the economy. if romney felt foreign relations was a priority, he would probably have chosen rice or bolton. the vice presidential candidate is more for picking a person to reinforce your key message than it is as picking an actual presidential potential.

besides, the supreme court ruled abortion is a right, which means any legislation federally banning it is most likely going to be shot down, as will that "two weeks before conception" is gonna be as soon as it gets contested. for the "amendment" that they want to be the law of the land, 2/3 of the states must ratify it. how likely do you think an amendment making all abortions illegal is going to get 2/3rds of the states to say ok? you can immediately rule out nj, california, delaware, maryland, washington, illinois, massachussetts, oregon and hawaii okaying it right off the bat.

I agree with Zatoth. I am very worried about the state of our economy if we give Obama four more years to spend all of our money. Abortion will continue to be legal, no matter what kind of anti-abortion talk they throw around during the campaign. Romney has bigger fish to fry.

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Here's the link to the Gretchen Voss article - I couldn't believe the quote from the NH GOP legislator, Lynne Blankenbeker!

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/birth-control-rights#ixzz25j1Cgbg5

Interesting comment:

Rob Arturi · Lakeland, Florida
This is a complete farce. The fact that women are being scared into adopting a specific political stance is awful. You are being manipulated into believing that somehow "republicans" are hijacking your birth control rights and the "democrats" are the knights in shining armor. The truth is that the disagreement over the Obama healthcare bill is not split on partisan lines. It is overwhelmingly negative. This is an attempt to tilt the scales. Basically, the law is so bad, they must create fake fears by citing the extreme views of some, to convince you that without Obamacare, you would lose control of your womb. This is political manipulation of the highest order and reading these comments it seems to be working. As a member of the medical business community I can tell you that this healthcare law, as written, will not directly affect your reproductive health... it doesn't have to because it will negatively affect ALL healthcare in general. This article is 100 opinionated editorial and cleverly disguises itself as informative news on women's health. Don't take my word for it anymore than I suggest you not take this author's word for it either. Do your own research... talk to a doctor about what they think this law will do for healthcare.
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Assuming Rob's being honest about his line of work, etc, I still don't see how voting for Romney would be better - or no worse - for those women who are simply trying not to lose ACCESS to all sorts of services - including contraception!

Not to mention that since many women find they don't want to go through with an abortion - or adoption - that certainly affects their hold on their jobs.

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Here's the link to the Gretchen Voss article - I couldn't believe the quote from the NH GOP legislator, Lynne Blankenbeker!

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/birth-control-rights#ixzz25j1Cgbg5

Interesting comment:

Rob Arturi · Lakeland, Florida
This is a complete farce. The fact that women are being scared into adopting a specific political stance is awful. You are being manipulated into believing that somehow "republicans" are hijacking your birth control rights and the "democrats" are the knights in shining armor. The truth is that the disagreement over the Obama healthcare bill is not split on partisan lines. It is overwhelmingly negative. This is an attempt to tilt the scales. Basically, the law is so bad, they must create fake fears by citing the extreme views of some, to convince you that without Obamacare, you would lose control of your womb. This is political manipulation of the highest order and reading these comments it seems to be working. As a member of the medical business community I can tell you that this healthcare law, as written, will not directly affect your reproductive health... it doesn't have to because it will negatively affect ALL healthcare in general. This article is 100 opinionated editorial and cleverly disguises itself as informative news on women's health. Don't take my word for it anymore than I suggest you not take this author's word for it either. Do your own research... talk to a doctor about what they think this law will do for healthcare.
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Assuming Rob's being honest about his line of work, etc, I still don't see how voting for Romney would be better - or no worse - for those women who are simply trying not to lose ACCESS to all sorts of services - including contraception!

Not to mention that since many women find they don't want to go through with an abortion - or adoption - that certainly affects their hold on their jobs.

The Affordable Care Act is opposed by those who stand to take the economic hit - for porfit hospitals and many doctors.

It is supported by The American Nurses Association.

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I don't think Ryan is as big a financial expert as anyone thinks...if he fudged his marathon time* as much as he did, I can't help but wonder what other numbers are fudged.

*A couple of weeks ago Ryan, who is arguably pretty fit, claimed on a talk show that he ran several marathons including a scorching sub-3 hour time. Turns out he ran one his entire life, and took over 4 hours to do it. He was outed by Runner’s World, who has featured a lot of politicos who have run this distance from Al Gore to John Edwards to W to Sarah Palin…all with decent and verifiable times. In vetting him for a future issue, they caught a lie. He claims "he forgot" his time and misspoke. No one forgets their marathon time.

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Quite honestly I don't give a fuck what Rob Arturi of Lakeland FL does for a living.

I used to be a hardcore conservative Republican. I can tell you, from having spent nearly a decade within the fundamentalist Christian sects that are now becoming more and more mainstream within the Republican party, that they ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% trying to hijack your birth control rights. They almost shut down the government last summer over PP funding. There are several states with few or no women's health clinics because of local politicians writing absurd legislation designed to drive them out of business. Governments are enacting laws mandating unnecessary medical prodecures in order to procure an abortion. It IS NOT hyperbole or scare tactics when women seeking healthcare have to endure waiting periods, travel long distances, and pay for medical procedures they don't need, or face pharmacists whose personal belief systems apparently impact what medications they dispense. Even Obama knows his enemies and his locking horns with the Catholic bishops over birth control showed as much.

As for the "Obama healthcare bill" whether or not opposition to it is split along party lines is irrelevant. The fact is, most people, including the majority of those on the right, haven't even bothered to read it and have no idea what it does. The ACA is supported by the majority of healthcare providers, and even though it is a step in the right direction, it is STILL several decades behind the times of other more advanced western world economies who offer single payer to their citizens and still managed to figure out how to budget. The ACA's fiscal issues aside, the bill is written to protect citizens from the predatory acts of private health insurance carriers, and the only reason THEY would oppose it is because it forces them to actually pay for the healthcare of their enrollees, which is why they exist in the first place.

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The Affordable Care Act is opposed by those who stand to take the economic hit - for porfit hospitals and many doctors.

It is supported by The American Nurses Association.

Another interesting article - on how men can get more health care - sort of:

http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/2012/09/09/affordable-care-acts-anti-male-sexism-fixed/

Affordable Care Act’s Anti-Male Sexism Fixed?

September 9th, 2012 by Robert Franklin, Esq.

Not long ago, I wrote this post encouraging readers to sign a petition to make the Affordable Care Act gender-neutral. As I said at the time, the ACA mandates well woman exams, including a variety of preventive screenings, for all women completely free of charge, no deductibles, no co-pays. But it does nothing of the kind for men. Whatever we may think we need in the way of preventive care, we pay for; the ACA leaves us on our own. When it comes to preventive care, the ACA rations our preventive care according to our ability to pay, but requires providers to screen women at no cost.

That struck me and the other signers of the petition as (a) sexist and (b) bad policy. After all, doesn’t effective preventive care for men save the healthcare system money in the long term the same as it does for women? Of course it does, so, since the ACA is so much about keeping costs down that it’s part of the law’s name, why not go all in? Why not include men’s preventive care along with women’s? And that of course is in addition to the fact that, as a matter of morality, fairness and justice, men and women should receive equal treatment by public policy. Men contribute far more to tax revenues than do women, so why does the ACA short men?

All of that should be perfectly obvious, even though it escaped the notice of the Obama Administration that wrote the law and everyone on Capitol Hill who voted for it. But, thanks to the intrepid work of a Fathers and Families supporter, we now have the problem fixed. No, we haven’t gotten the president and Congress to re-write the law or the regulations, but what we have done is to figure out a handy-dandy fix that every man can use to get his fair share of preventive care, free of charge, even though he’s persona non grata in the wording of the act. And (drumroll) here it is:

Just tell ‘em you identify as a woman.

That’s right, our fearless reader informs us that the Department of Health and Human Services recently sent a letter to the National Center for Lesbian Rights confirming that the ACA prohibits discrimination “based on gender identity or failure to conform to stereotypical notions of masculinity or femininity…” In short, the ACA has been interpreted by the DHHS as prohibiting discrimination against lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgendered people. Of course transgendering is a process that includes a pre-operative period.

So the fix is simple; when you go to the doctor to be screened for various possible male-only maladies and conditions, just tell them you identify as a woman and are in the first stage of re-orientation. According to DHHS rules, they have to screen you for free. You don’t even have to wear a dress.

Admittedly, if you do this too often, the doctor might begin to question your commitment to the transgendering process. But not to worry, by then the Obama Administration will have discovered the error of its ways, changed the law to include men in its protections, and all will be well in this best of all possible worlds. Until then, you have Fathers and Families to thank for fixing what could be considered one of the most egregious examples of misandry to come along since Joe Biden last uttered a word.

Ironically, Planned Parenthood offers males health care without them pretending to be transgendered. But no one wants them to have govt money.

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This attitude looks like it would be right at home in Turkey, where the health minister, Recep Akdag, spoke in favor of banning both c-sections and abortions, claiming that the government would care for any children born as the result of rape or violence.

The situation in Turkey has recently been in the news after a woman who was raped repeatedly by a neighbor while her husband was away was denied an abortion by the court because she was over the legal limit. She said she would rather die than have the baby.

She killed the man who raped her.