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Children Are Just Small People. Deal With It.Posted by satansbitch
Before I became a mother nearly six years ago, I can honestly say I never once considered whether childless people could get along with parents. It simply seemed like a non-issue. Of course our life choices should not affect our friendships and also, weren’t we all children at one point? Who does not love an adorable child? Me. First...why does she assume every child is adorable? Not the case. Second, while I don't wish harm on children, and I would hope they all grow up to be productive members of society, but I would be lying if I said I love all of them. I may be an asshole, but I do not love all people. If I did, that would cheapen what if means for me to really love the people who are close to me, and I sure as hell don't love the guy who tried to assault me earlier tonight (nice try, bastard) as much as I love my sister, my friends, my parents. If children are small people, then it follows that I do not love all of them. Nice logic. As it turns out, I was wrong. Yep. A 'don’t touch my space, I won’t touch yours' mentality is great if you live in Montana, but not in a crowded city. Many people don’t want our “breeder” strollers on their sidewalks or our loud children in their bars. They don’t want kids on airplanes or in restaurants. They think it is parents of young children who have become self-absorbed, but I think it is something else. It’s our society. It’s broken. Oh, the blaming society argument. Its not that we originally did not want children in restaurants as a society (thought I sure as hell don't) it's that we don't want your uncontrolled screaming children ruining our dinner, and we'd like it if you'd perhaps realize that we don't hate you for owning a stroller, we hate you for barreling us down on the sidewalk, as well as your entitled attitude that will almost surely emerge if we don't move over for you and your brood. And loud children in bars? Seriously, lady? Not only are the type of people who bring their kids to bars the definition of self-absorbed, but it's not just the people who want to drink until they can't feel feelings anymore that don't want your brats at the Drunken Clam. The police don't want your kids in bars, because they are kids, and not 21 or of drinking age. The bar owners generally do not, because they do not want to be slapped with a fine or lose their license...you know, their livelihood for having underage "small people" in bars, and they don't want Bratzilla to accidentally drink beer because they think it's apple juice, which could send the kid to the emergency room and bury the bar owners under piles of negligence litigation when the parents inevitably sue. Bartenders might also not want your kids in bars, because they also do not enjoy getting sued, nor do they enjoy losing their jobs. Also, your small person doesn't want to be in a bar because they usually don't like it too much when their idiot parents crash the car while driving home after drinking in said bar all night. We no longer have any tolerance for other people’s needs. "We" includes the author, right? Not only do the CF allegedly not have tolerance for the needs of their small people, these breeders don't have tolerance for the needs of the CF not to have their lives interrupted by the antics of their uncontrolled brats. Why the hell does she think we choose not to have kids? And just a hint, lady, we're not all despondently infertile. Hell, I would kill to be infertile. As parents, our entire worlds revolve around these little people. We bathe them and feed them and dry their tears. We bandage little knees and transport them to 100 activities a day. Parenthood is overwhelming and hard and stressful at times. Oh dear. And the CF are self-absorbed? Lady, we CHOSE not to revolve our worlds around these little people. Parenthood may be overwhelming and hard and stressful and all that bs at times, but you know what else is? Working to pay for all the breeder friendly tax benefits. Or professional school. Look, I chose to go to law school, which, for the record, is overwhelming, hard, and stressful. And yes, I chose to do it, no one forced me into this. Are people self absorbed for getting annoyed if I monopolize a conversation with inane anecdotes about tax codes? Obviously not, but sadly enough this doesn't seem to apply to baby poop stories, since I am apparently an asshole for not wanting to discuss why Bratshlee's poop is green and runny. God forbid I mention ERISA. Not the best analogy, but if I have to understand the life of a parent, which I will never have, they better be up for listening to me complain endlessly about the legal job market. Also?  Nice people make it all easier. People who smile at our tantruming child with a face that says “I’ve been there, too” fill us with relief. That nice older man who holds the door for me as I struggle to squeeze my double wide stroller through the door at Starbucks makes my day. It’s not ideal. I feel guilty and encumbered by 1,000 things. But a little thoughtfulness makes me feel like we are all in it together. I get that it was my choice to procreate. I am not asking for “special” treatment. I just want kindness and respect. How is this not special treatment? She wants people to commiserate with her because she brought a screaming crying thing into a public place, and to hold the door for her when she goes to buy her overpriced coffee. No, we are not all in this together. She will have my kindness and respect when I get the same from her regarding my choice to NOT have kids. It’s the same respect I show on the subway when I put up with people of all shapes and sizes who lean into my space or eat garlic potato chips and breathe my way. It’s the same respect I show when I walk down the street and move out the way for people on scooters or who need extra room. I help older women cross the street if they need it or stop in the cross walk for someone who takes a little longer than the light because they are slower. It’s called living in a society. I really think she is grasping at straws here. Her (alleged) tolerance here of someone who breathes in her direction with garlic chip breath does not make her screaming child any less annoying when It is ruining my nice dinner out at a restaurant, or running around a crowded bar when I am trying to flirt and show off my gorgeous firm body not destroyed by breast feeding or pregnancy. My children have as much right to be on a plane and as much right to cry when their ears pop as the single, childless hipster in his fedora and skinny jeans. My children have the right to eat in a restaurant and learn to keep their volume down by experimenting. I have a right to use a stroller and not get dirty looks. Kids are just small people. Deal with it. Why do people assume that the CF must be hipsters? I am CF and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a fedora, let alone living in Williamsburg or watching Girls. Also, I would argue that said childless hipster does not have the same right to cry if his ears popped on a plane because had he wailed like your brat, other passengers and the airline staff would have his fedora adorned head. If your children have the right to experiment with volume at the expense of my eardrums, then I have the right to loudly tell my date all the dirty dirty things I will be doing once we get home...children need to learn, right? I think it is clear that this sanctimonious bitch's argument is that her children are small people...when it suits her. If children are truly small people, then I should have the right to throw them the fuck out of a restaurant if they scream bloody murder, just like I would do to a large person screaming like that in such an establishment. Something tells me she may not like my logic too much. A “don’t touch my space, I won’t touch yours” mentality is great if you live in Montana. But in a city, things are crowded. Kids live here, too. We all share the space. We all interact. We should support one another. I just can't with this woman anymore. I've made my argument. Seriously, lady, go fuck yourself.
I have a question, and it is a serious one. How big is the tipical US stroller? O.o Now, I mean it. You see, around here stroller are, well, mostly of this kind:  Save if the family is unlucky enough to have twins. Also, if a child is big enough to walk, it is considered logical that he should, well, walk. From what I read around here, it looks like in the US a stroller is the dimension of an avarage EU car. o.o Also, ma'am, children are NOT small people. This is way they can't do things like vote and drink alcohol. In my country and bv international agreements (most of which, I admit, aren't ratified in the US), children are not considered small people. Period. _______________________ “I was talking about children that have not been properly house-trained. Left to their own impulses and indulged by doting or careless parents almost all children are yahoos. Loud, selfish, cruel, unaffectionate, jealous, perpetually striving for attention, empty-headed, for ever prating or if words fail them simply bawling, their voices grown huge from daily practice: the very worst company in the world. But what I dislike even more than the natural child is the affected child, the hulking oaf of seven or eight that skips heavily about with her hands dangling in front of her -- a little squirrel or bunny-rabbit -- and prattling away in a baby's voice.” ― Patrick O'Brian, The Truelove lib'-er-ty: the freedom given to you to make the wrong decision, based on the reasoned belief that you will normally make the right one.
I have never seen any breeder anywhere push a stroller that small. Here in the states loaves are kept in them until they're ten years old. Use google to find too big for a stroller.com In the states these things have to have features you find on most cars. Crap like an Ipod station, cup holders and a CD player.
That's not a stroller. This is a stroller:  Yours doesn't have an umbrella, a rain shield, or storage space for bags and bags of shopping. It only holds one child; all modern ones hold one toddler plus one infant, except those that are designed for twins of the same age. It also doesn't look like it costs the same as a month's rent. Actually, the one I showed is atypical because it can fit through a doorway without difficulty. When there are two kids, it's more likely to be like this:  And have you ever noticed how all the modern ones are designed to be simple snap and fold, and yet you never see them folded up and out of the way on public transport or in shared hallways?
"Who does not love an adorable child? " OH!! ME!!! ME!!!!!!! yeah, like HER lil tardette MUST be ADORABLE. "Parenthood is overwhelming and hard and stressful at times" TOUGH TITTIES. " We should support one another." FUCK OFF, CUNT!!!!!!!!  "You see, around here stroller are, well, mostly of this kind" I will sometimes see that kind. but the SUV monstrosities are far more common now. Including double wides for two brats! I once saw a moo pushing one with kyds in it side by side, one if not both of them CLEARLY old enough to WALK. THEY'RE NOT BABBIES!!!! MAKE EM USE THEIR LIMBS!!! THAT'S WHY WE HAVE LIMBS!!! "Children Are Just Small People" they may be small people, but they're NOT small ADULTS, and hence do NOT have the same rights, respansibilites, nor respect given to adults. they're RETARDS until they grow out of it.
Here we go again - assuming everyone around you is CF and calling them hipsters.  
So far most of the commenters are properly reaming her. I believe she's the same Stir writer who was all smuggy in her pieces and about 50% of the commenters didn't care for her bullshit, either. 
This is a small person  This is a child  Learn the difference, it could save your sanity. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk the path of life to my own rhythm, my own beat-if you don't like it, step off and find your own damn song!
God Satansbitch, this one here is filled with more "as a mom" tripe and variations of BINGOS it's completely irresistible to NOT dissect it to bits! I generally only feel the need to pull my virtual scalpel out of the bag when an article or Moo commentary is so egregiously filled with Cow Clutter™ that one simple summary comment just doesn't seem like enough! While Brattymcpants already made the Y incision and got most of the guts out, I'll try and suture it back up after carefully examining the rest of the carcass.  Cow Regurgitates Chewed Cud Before I became a mother nearly six years ago, Variation of "as a mom", which means everything she has to say afterwards will likely be biased, self serving, self righteous, and tainted with Moo-isms. It also tells us she's trying to illustrate how SHE TOO, was once childfree, but being the almighty sainted cow she is now, NEVER felt the way about snotty brat presence and their entitled cows as we mean, hateful, childless by choice forever monsters do.Yeah, a LOT is disclosed in her very first opening sentence.  I can honestly say I never once considered whether childless people could get along with parents. I never considered it either, UNTIL over a period of time and many interactions later, I was made aware of the mindset and viewpoints of the typical Moo after having sluiced her sucklings. The pervasive attitude of a cow like herself is one riddled with superiority and entitlement for the sole reason that she has graced the planet with her self replicants and is to be admired and revered by all for her generous contribution to mankind.   It simply seemed like a non-issue. Of course our life choices should not affect our friendships and also, weren’t we all children at one point? Who does not love an adorable child? In less than two sentences she tosses out TWO BINGOS; "You were a child yourself once too!" and "Everyone should find kids irresistible" She is correct about the two other things though with the first being it SHOULD be a "non issue" and it would be if one of the two, between the childed and unchilded, hadn't completely changed their attitudes and we can all guess which one changed. The other is, while admitting having kids IS a "life choice", she neglects to mention or take responsibility for the change to her "friendships" came due to HER conditions and outlooks having changed,NOT the other way around! I think when one person in a friendship makes significant life changes which affect the friendship, it's generally up to THEM to make the concessions and alter their habits to conform to the parameters of the relationship, whatever it might be, in most cases with this being one of them. Automatically, after a kid comes into the picture, the "childless" person in the relationship will have to deal with the expected, which is this friend now has a child and that will change the very fabric of everything, from the day to day to the long term aspects of it. In no other case would it generally be considered "okay" to drag in a third party into a relationship and expect the other person to accept them unconditionally and include them in everything. EVEN WHEN someone marries does this apply! No one expects you have to like your best friend's new husband and he can pretty much be a separate part of her life and dismissed by the friend for the most part and people say, "Oh, Mattie and Joey just do NOT get along, so she and I will just make this a GIRL'S weekend!" but her kid? No, the kid is automatically supposed to be welcomed into it with open arms and included in everything, regardless of how he behaves, and not only tolerated but embraced as "part of her" and included in the friendship;as well. The Above BINGOS The new dynamics of the relationship, introduced by the now childed friend, have NOTHING AT ALL to do with whether someone was once a child himself and even less to do with anyone thinking kids are "adorable". It makes no difference if her kid is "adorable", which chances are it is NOT, because adorable or not she likely allows that kid to disrupt things and be "included" in places and situations within the friendship where he CLEARLY does not belong and/or is unwelcome. Just because SHE wants to wear the kid everywhere in a sling doesn't mean everyone else should be expected to desire to as well. If the childless friend decided to drag in a third party along on a trip the childed friend didn't know, would that be okay? Generally,NOT, and I fail to see the difference. If these selfish moos would only realize this ONE THING, it'd make these situations better.  As it turns out, I was wrong. Since in traditional and predictable Moo style she switches topics mid stream, I'll have to begin now changing my dissection from FRIENDS. who don't accept her selfish inclusion of her kid everywhere and with everything. to "the village" is intolerant of her Moo presence and annoying kid being foisted upon them at every turn. WHICH IS IT, Moo? Is it your unchided friends who don't cater to you enough or society in general?  A 'don’t touch my space, I won’t touch yours' mentality is great if you live in Montana, but not in a crowded city. Many people don’t want our “breeder” strollers on their sidewalks or our loud children in their bars. They don’t want kids on airplanes or in restaurants. They think it is parents of young children who have become self-absorbed, but I think it is something else. It’s our society. It’s broken. It wouldn't make any difference if she lived in the great outdoors of Montana or in New York city, because her entitle minded ways and inconsiderate attitude would follow her where ever she went. No one generally gives a shit if you drag your kid along to restaurants, we just rightfully expect you to CONTROL it and take it outside when it wails. Sidewalks are public, meaning they are for everyone's use, so if your SMooV stroller is obnoxious enough to push pedestrians off into the path of oncoming vehicles, the problem lies with YOU and your blatant inconsideration for other peoples' rights. Kids do NOT belong in bars, period, so that argument is a moot point. WHY do you want your child in an environment where alcohol is served anyway? Society isn't "broken", but rather the selfish cunts who expect to inconvenience "the village" are the ones who are "broken".  We no longer have any tolerance for other people’s needs. No, BREEDERS don't care about anyone else's needs but their own, not even about the needs of other breeders. As parents, our entire worlds revolve around these little people. We bathe them and feed them and dry their tears. We bandage little knees and transport them to 100 activities a day. Parenthood is overwhelming and hard and stressful at times. Which was YOUR choice, not anyone else's! No one makes concessions for anyone else's lifestyle choices, so what makes YOUR needs special? Nice people make it all easier. People who smile at our tantruming child with a face that says “I’ve been there, too” fill us with relief. That nice older man who holds the door for me as I struggle to squeeze my double wide stroller through the door at Starbucks makes my day. It’s not ideal. I feel guilty and encumbered by 1,000 things. But a little thoughtfulness makes me feel like we are all in it together. I get that it was my choice to procreate. I am not asking for “special” treatment. I just want kindness and respect. You SAY you don't want special treatment, but your actions and overall attitude tell a different story. It’s the same respect I show on the subway when I put up with people of all shapes and sizes who lean into my space or eat garlic potato chips and breathe my way. It’s the same respect I show when I walk down the street and move out the way for people on scooters or who need extra room. I help older women cross the street if they need it or stop in the cross walk for someone who takes a little longer than the light because they are slower. It’s called living in a society.  "Society" doesn't mind overlooking minor annoyances, accepting minor inconveniences, or showing kindness for situations or people, especially when whatever it is isn't intended to pester or annoy, but an incessantly wailing kid while people are trying to enjoy a meal and their companion's company, not being able to walk down the sidewalk because of a ridiculously and unnecessarily large stroller, or their every sense accosted with a public shitty diaper change or a leaking udder, among many other typical cow behavior, goes WAY beyond what should be expected from "the village" to endure. It should be noted that good parents, PNB's, know where the boundaries lie and respectfully avoid crossing them, UNLIKE Moo-Cunts who make it a habit of creating and leaving problems in their wake wherever they go. My children have as much right to be on a plane and as much right to cry when their ears pop as the single, childless hipster in his fedora and skinny jeans. My children have the right to eat in a restaurant and learn to keep their volume down by experimenting. I have a right to use a stroller and not get dirty looks. Kids are just small people. Deal with it. Your brats can LEARN to STFU and "keep the volume down" by "experimenting" AT HOME. A restaurant or airplane is NOT the time for Moo teaching experiences when the kids is in a closed area and people can't easily escape it's wrath. No one is giving you "dirty looks" because you have a stroller, but at how INCONSIDERATE you are of it's use. Why the assumption the "hipster in skinny jeans" is childless? Does it not EVER occur to this cunt the majority of complaints of annoying brats comes from PARENTS who have taken the time and money to leave their brood at home when traveling, going to the late movie,or eating out?? No, I guess not. A “don’t touch my space, I won’t touch yours” mentality is great if you live in Montana. But in a city, things are crowded. Kids live here, too. We all share the space. We all interact. We should support one another. In other words, "the village" should lick your ass, allow you to ruin their flights and meals, cater to YOUR wants and needs, while you stand back and give NOTHING in return. That's generally what Moos mean when they say, "support one another". WHAT, exactly, can or will a Moo do to be "supportive" of me and MY lifestyle choices? MY ideal choices would include quiet and peaceful dining experiences, be void of public diaper changes and udder feeding, and the ability to use public transportation or visit a retail outlet without a bunch of screaming babies and kids present unnecessarily. Do her kids REALLY need to accompany her to the grocery store, see a late movie showing, or sit on a bar stool playing with olives and straws in the area where alcohol is served at Applebees? I don't think so, but THERE THEY ARE, omnipresent, anyway. ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much? I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
She getting  in the comments._______________________________________________ "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
I am especially delighted she's getting her ass raked over the coals by other parents.  ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much? I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
Oh, by all means. When you bring your 'small person' into the bar and next to the table I'm sitting at, it will be treated to my sometimes salty language. Your 'small person' should never be treated to any of those stupid 'Kids Eat Free' nights. Your 'small person' can pay full price for airfare, train fare, cruise fare, admission to parks/zoos/museums etc. Your 'small person' can pay full price at the movie theater, especially since you more than likely take it to a movie at 10:00pm. Fair enough, Moo? Deal with it  Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum. |
