Children Are Just Small People. Deal With It.

Saying that doesn't win many brownie points with me. You see, I dislike the majority of people I meet, regardless of size or shape.

Oh, your children are just small people? Fine, then let me buy them a round of whiskey, and we can look at a Playboy and smoke cigarettes together.

Oh, you don't like that, Mommy Dearest? Are you saying they're children after all?

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I have never seen any breeder anywhere push a stroller that small. Here in the states loaves are kept in them until they're ten years old. Use google to find too big for a stroller.com In the states these things have to have features you find on most cars. Crap like an Ipod station, cup holders and a CD player.

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You are just kidding me because I am a foreigner, aren't you?

And... A toadler in a stroller? Why? Here if a woman is unlucky enough to have an infant and a toddler the infant is in the stroller and the toddler, well, walk.
Not a lot of them go under cars or such, also. Yes, sometimes they run away (I have seen a couple of time) but a smack on the their little butts theach them not to do that, real quickly.

Strollers rarely have umbrellas or sun protection. Cribs sometimes do. But a toddler can get suntan, like normal children.
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You are definitively just kidding me because I am a foreigner <.<

I wish I was kidding you. I'd never kid a foreigner that way. I've seen the one with an Ipod station. I've also had to share an elevator with a four year old in a stroller and it's never pretty. If the kid's too big for it, make it walk. WHY breeders don't is a mystery to me.

@Kidlesskim, I knew you'd have fun with this one. I love your commentary, as usual.

satansbitch: I wish I was kidding you. I'd never kid a foreigner that way. I've seen the one with an Ipod station. I've also had to share an elevator with a four year old in a stroller and it's never pretty. If the kid's too big for it, make it walk. WHY breeders don't is a mystery to me.

Just more lazy parenting. It's easier to keep the kyd strapped into a stroller, while shopping or whatever, than having to teach it to stay by mooo's or duh's side. Kyd won't wander away, and can be entertained with gadgets and toys, while beaten-down, lazy mooo pushes him or her along. After years of being strolled along, the kyd ends up with weak leg muscles, possible obesity and other health risks because it hasn't gotten enough exercise.

Lazy moos. That's why they do it. It's the only logical explanation that I can come up with.

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satansbitch: I wish I was kidding you. I'd never kid a foreigner that way. I've seen the one with an Ipod station. I've also had to share an elevator with a four year old in a stroller and it's never pretty. If the kid's too big for it, make it walk. WHY breeders don't is a mystery to me.

Just more lazy parenting. It's easier to keep the kyd strapped into a stroller, while shopping or whatever, than having to teach it to stay by mooo's or duh's side. Kyd won't wander away, and can be entertained with gadgets and toys, while beaten-down, lazy mooo pushes him or her along. After years of being strolled along, the kyd ends up with weak leg muscles, possible obesity and other health risks because it hasn't gotten enough exercise.

Lazy moos. That's why they do it. It's the only logical explanation that I can come up with.

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This is crazyness.

I think there is a part of "safety" problems as well. Namely, the mooh is afraid that pwechus snowflayke will run away from her and go under a car, or something.

Excuses, of course.

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― Patrick O'Brian, The Truelove


lib'-er-ty: the freedom given to you to make the wrong decision, based on the reasoned belief that you will normally make the right one.

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But a little thoughtfulness makes me feel like we are all in it together. I get that it was my choice to procreate. I am not asking for “special” treatment. I just want kindness and respect.

It’s the same respect I show on the subway when I put up with people of all shapes and sizes who lean into my space or eat garlic potato chips and breathe my way. It’s the same respect I show when I walk down the street and move out the way for people on scooters or who need extra room. I help older women cross the street if they need it or stop in the cross walk for someone who takes a little longer than the light because they are slower. It’s called living in a society.

I do think the basic rule is to not be an inconvience to others. For me to overlook that, these are the criteria:

1: It has to be unusual
If something happens frequently, I can't really believe that people are applying rules two and three. Here are two examples involving adults: someone talking loudly on a cellphone on public transport, and someone vomiting on an airplane. Nobody has patience for the person talking on the cellphone. It could be that the person doesn't routinely do that, and is only doing it because of some drastic situation, but the public doesn't care, because we see this sort of thing happening all the time, and there's no way they could all be emergencies.

By contrast, most people would be sympathetic to the person who suddenly came down with food poisoning or stomach flu on the plane. It's not something that happens often, and we know nobody would choose to fly while feeling that miserable before boarding the plane. We know the person can't help it. Attitudes would harden rapidly if people made a habit of flying in this condition.

2: It is unpredictable
If something can't be predicted with a bit of forethought, I'm much more forgiving than I would otherwise be. Do you know that the airport is going to make you get rid of your water and take out your laptop for scanning? You should, because it's standard practice, which is why those people who can't seem to be prepared are really irritating.

On the other hand, if it is January and the temperature suddenly hits 25 celcius, and you feel the need to take off your coat and sweater after you've been sweating heavily, well, I won't like it, but I won't glare at you, because nobody expects that kind of weather in January.

3: Awareness
A person should be aware that their actions are breeching the social rules, and should try to mitigate the problem insofar as it is possible. It's why I grab a piece of gum after eating some food with garlic in it, why I don't walk three abreast on the sidewalk, and so on: I'm aware of how these actions affect others, and there's an easy way to mitigate - by simply not doing these things. It basically involves awareness of other people, which is why I get mad when I get smacked in the face by a huge backpack as someone turns in public transport, and why people who block the aisles with their shopping carts make me want to shove their carts roughly into them. These people are only thinking of themselves, not the other people around them.

I get that there are some things people can't help. Of course I don't get mad at an elderly woman who needs help crossing the street. I'm fairly helpful when it comes to things like this; for instance I'm always volunteering help to tourists who appear to be having trouble with maps.

So let's look at the incidents she describes.

• People lean into my space: failure of rule 3.
• Eat garlic potato chips and breathe on her: failure of rule 3.
• Disabled people who need extra space on the sidewalk: no breech of civility.
• Elderly women who need help crossing the street: no breech of civility.
• Massive strollers on the sidewalks: failure of rules 1, 3, probably 2 as well.
• Loud children in bars: are you fucking kidding me? Failure of 2 and 3.
• Noisy kids on airplanes (she didn't say noisy, but nobody cares if they are behaving): Failure of 1, 2, and 3. Infants are not on planes for their own good - it's pure selfishness on the part of the parents to bring them.
• Noisy kids in restaurants (again, she didn't say noisy, but nobody cares if they are well-behaved): Failure of 1, 2, and 3.

It's all very simple if you make an effort and take the time to consider the impact of your actions on others.

It's funny that she would say this:

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They think it is parents of young children who have become self-absorbed, but I think it is something else. It’s our society. It’s broken.

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As parents, our entire worlds revolve around these little people.

That's hardly an argument against being self-absorbed.

When Moos say their bastards are "small people," they mean their children should be respected on the same level as adults but without the responsibilities that accompany adulthood. That's quite convenient. If Moos want their kids to be held in the same regard as grown men and women, then they need to accept the good and the bad sides, not cherry-pick what their children can and cannot experience.

So if children are just small adults, that means the following things should happen:

- If they scream bloody murder for hours and don't shut up, they can be charged with disturbing the peace. Or at the very least, told to get the fuck out.

- If they go up and slap a stranger, they can be charged with battery and arrested and put in jail.

- Going along with the previous one, if a "small person" strikes an adult, that adult will have the ability to beat the piss out of said child in the name of self defense.

- Pedophiles can help themselves to children and it won't be a crime. Because the kids are "small people," as long as they are conscious and don't say "no," they are consenting.

- If they don't pay taxes, they can be nailed with tax evasion and serve time with the rest of the deadbeats.

- In fact, ANY crime they commit will result in them being tried as adults, regardless of age. If someone's widdle snowflake is a "small person," then they can take legal punishment like a grown-up too.

- No more stickers and trinkets from the doctor's office.

- No eating free anywhere or paying child prices for things like movie tickets.

I would be more willing to accept the "children are small people" nonsense if every violent, screeching awwtard could be arrested and thrown in jail for being loud or hitting people. Of course Moos don't want that - they want their kids to be these half-adult half-kid hybrids where they automatically get the respect and rights adults do, but also being able to maintain the freedom from adult responsibilities that children have. There is a fork in the road and you take one way or the other.

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"Of course our life choices should not affect our friendships"

WTF kind of idiot is she? Well, we already have a pretty good idea. So if someone she knew decided to make being a pedophile their "life choice," it would not affect her friendship with them? A meth head? A burglar? Our life choices SHOULD affect our friendships, and DO. You can't control how other people are going to react to your "life choices," fuckhead. You think your life choices are the only ones that deserve respect. You don't respect anyone else's choices, and you would dump a "friend" in five seconds flat if they said they liked you but didn't want to be around your brat. Being stupid and being a complete total hypocrite seem to go hand in hand with this twat.

I went back to see if there was more in the comments and there is a ton. The fucking beeyotch is getting roasted.

There are very few moo/breeder comments supporting the cunt, overall people are blasting the selfish asshole.

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They think it is parents of young children who have become self-absorbed, but I think it is something else. It’s our society. It’s broken.

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As parents, our entire worlds revolve around these little people.

That's hardly an argument against being self-absorbed.

This whole train of thought right here made something click in my nicotene-starved brain.

I heard some sound counsel once regarding love versus infatuation. Infatuation is when your world revolves around the other person. It's an obsession. It is self-absorption, but it looks like love. The key words are "I, me, and mine." Real love is when your world and the other person's world expand to encompass each other's. The key words are "we, and our."

I think that's the difference between breeders and PNBs. Breeders' worlds revolve around their children, which is infatuation, which is obsession. And most obsessions are all about "what's in it for me?" And they wear off! The result is all the cows and calves we gripe about on this forum. PNBs' worlds, however, expand to include their children, and they go on with their lives. The parents never lose their identity in the process. The children see that Mom is a woman first, a wife second, and mother third (or Dad is a man first, husband second, father third). As a result, the kids grow up with adult attitudes and become positive contributing members of society.

Probably way OT here.

I always have to laugh when moos write articles about how everyone is always so meeeeaaaaannnn to them. If everyone that they come in contact with is treating them rudely, chances are pretty good that they themselves are the problem. Society is pretty tolerant of children in general, and well behaved children in particular. Why, we ebil babby hatters even have seperate terms for good parents and shitty parents. If someone with a child is treating those around them with respect, and guiding their child to do the same, they won't get all the negative attention that these moos like to constantly complain about.

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A “don’t touch my space, I won’t touch yours” mentality is great if you live in Montana. But in a city, things are crowded.

This is why I ive in a small town on my own land.

I also laugh at the assumption that everyone who is giving these mooos a rough time are childless loaf-haterz. Did it ever occur to them that the majority of people out there are breeders in some form or another?

Childfree people - especially the ones who aren't all breeder-pleasery - are in the minority.

She is likely the problem, as mentioned above, which is why she is having such a hard time with being treated rudely. You get back what you give, and if you are a rude person, you will get it back in spades.

Society isn't broken; society never allowed bastards to be dragged into liquor stores or bars...and if someone took their bastard into a fancy restaurant, it was expected that the bastard would behave. If the bastard began acting up, parents in the past removed it so it wouldn't ruin everyone else's experience.

Today's breeders are more entitled than ever, and they are getting pissed off that the rest of society won't bend to over to lick their fat, flabby asses.

In order to get respect,you have to give it, and frankly, I don't see any of these entitled cows giving anyone respect.

I really wouldn't mind kids at all if they weren't encouraged to express themselves in my presence. A moo who lets her kid shriek like a howler monkey in public is not giving me any respect, so why should I give her or her feral brat any? Why should I have to tolerate that?

Not that any of these bitches care, but loud noises are very distrsessing for me. I am partially deaf in one ear so my other compensates by being practically bionic. I can hear the grass grow. I am sure I can hear a dog whistle, so you can imagine what the high pitched shrieking of your brat is doing to me, it makes me want to burst into tears and hide, yet I am supposed to tolerate this bullshit because that is what kids do.

Well behaved kids do not do this. My nephew decided screaming was cool for about a week. My sister stopped that shit right quick, and said nephew was two years old when he learned this lesson. He is now a delightful teenager that I actually enjoy spending time with.

Sorry (not really) but it is modern parents who are self-absorbed. When we flew (this was when you dressed up to fly since going to Europe by plane was still something of a big deal), my mother made sure I BEHAVED while on the plane. I was six but even if I had been younger I would have been expedted to read my picture book or color in a coloring book they brough along for fairly long trips like flying. Then when the cabin lights were dimmed (we tended to fly east at night), I would take my pillow, and curl up and go to sleep. sometimes my parents would let me lay across their laps but usually not since they wanted me to be able to sit up quickly in case I had to have my seat belt buckled back on.

None of that today thougjh. Just "deal with it". Just disgusting. The whole world is supposed to put up with the parenting failures of a bunch of self-absorbed Moos and Duhs.

I shouldn't have to carry a jar of Vicks in my purse to try to block the smell of your brat's shitty diapers or their barfy shirts when you subject the general public to them, assholes. Many of these disgusting pigs don't give a shit, pardon the pun.

I saw something today that made me throw up a little in my mouth.

I need the real deal, thanks

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It's funny that she would say this:

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They think it is parents of young children who have become self-absorbed, but I think it is something else. It’s our society. It’s broken.

And then admit this:

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As parents, our entire worlds revolve around these little people.

That's hardly an argument against being self-absorbed.

This whole train of thought right here made something click in my nicotene-starved brain.

I heard some sound counsel once regarding love versus infatuation. Infatuation is when your world revolves around the other person. It's an obsession. It is self-absorption, but it looks like love. The key words are "I, me, and mine." Real love is when your world and the other person's world expand to encompass each other's. The key words are "we, and our."

I think that's the difference between breeders and PNBs. Breeders' worlds revolve around their children, which is infatuation, which is obsession. And most obsessions are all about "what's in it for me?" And they wear off! The result is all the cows and calves we gripe about on this forum. PNBs' worlds, however, expand to include their children, and they go on with their lives. The parents never lose their identity in the process. The children see that Mom is a woman first, a wife second, and mother third (or Dad is a man first, husband second, father third). As a result, the kids grow up with adult attitudes and become positive contributing members of society.

Probably way OT here.

You know, you are probably right

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“I was talking about children that have not been properly house-trained. Left to their own impulses and indulged by doting or careless parents almost all children are yahoos. Loud, selfish, cruel, unaffectionate, jealous, perpetually striving for attention, empty-headed, for ever prating or if words fail them simply bawling, their voices grown huge from daily practice: the very worst company in the world. But what I dislike even more than the natural child is the affected child, the hulking oaf of seven or eight that skips heavily about with her hands dangling in front of her -- a little squirrel or bunny-rabbit -- and prattling away in a baby's voice.”


― Patrick O'Brian, The Truelove


lib'-er-ty: the freedom given to you to make the wrong decision, based on the reasoned belief that you will normally make the right one.

Lying, hypocritical MOO-Cunt: Nice people make it all easier. People who smile at our tantruming child with a face that says “I’ve been there, too” fill us with relief. That nice older man who holds the door for me as I struggle to squeeze my double wide stroller through the door at Starbucks makes my day. It’s not ideal. I feel guilty and encumbered by 1,000 things. But a little thoughtfulness makes me feel like we are all in it together. I get that it was my choice to procreate. I am not asking for “special” treatment. I just want kindness and respect.

Bumping the thread a bit. I actually tried to be nice to a moo-cunt today and was met with rudeness. I was in a store picking up a few items. It's about to close down, and there are a few good sales going on. The bitch in front of me, a totally disorganized mooo with two young kyds, was holding up the line, by making the cashier go over every single item on the receipt after purchase...and then making her take certain things off because they were too expensive...yadda yadda yadda.

My turn at the till, and the cashier noticed that the bitch had left one of her bags at the register. She tried calling for the distracted mooo, to come and get the bag, before she left the store. Since I am a nice person, a part of society, I decided to go over and let the idiot know that she left her bag at the till. I had to say "excuse me" three times before finally catching her attention, and I told her that she left a bag behind. I was met with a very rude, "I told my son to get it!" Not a thank you, nothing. I thought...yeah, you want all the respect and you want people to be nice, but you just want to be an asshole in return. I replied with, "Your welcome" and walked back to the register to finish paying.

Fuck 'em! The next time I see a stupid asshole moo leaving a bag behind, I'll just say fuck it, and let her leave without it. Not worth the trouble.

Yep, that sounds about right.

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"Society does not need more children; but it does need more loved children. Quite literally, we cannot afford unloved children - but we pay heavily for them every day. There should not be the slightest communal concern when a woman elects to destroy the life of her thousandth-of-an-ounce embryo. But all society should rise up in alarm when it hears that a baby that is not wanted is about to be born."

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"I feel like there's a message involved here somehow, but then I couldn't stop laughing at all the plotholes, like the part when North Korea has food."

- Youtube commentor referring to a North Korean cartoon.

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Lying, hypocritical MOO-Cunt: Nice people make it all easier. People who smile at our tantruming child with a face that says “I’ve been there, too” fill us with relief. That nice older man who holds the door for me as I struggle to squeeze my double wide stroller through the door at Starbucks makes my day. It’s not ideal. I feel guilty and encumbered by 1,000 things. But a little thoughtfulness makes me feel like we are all in it together. I get that it was my choice to procreate. I am not asking for “special” treatment. I just want kindness and respect.

Bumping the thread a bit. I actually tried to be nice to a moo-cunt today and was met with rudeness. I was in a store picking up a few items. It's about to close down, and there are a few good sales going on. The bitch in front of me, a totally disorganized mooo with two young kyds, was holding up the line, by making the cashier go over every single item on the receipt after purchase...and then making her take certain things off because they were too expensive...yadda yadda yadda.

My turn at the till, and the cashier noticed that the bitch had left one of her bags at the register. She tried calling for the distracted mooo, to come and get the bag, before she left the store. Since I am a nice person, a part of society, I decided to go over and let the idiot know that she left her bag at the till. I had to say "excuse me" three times before finally catching her attention, and I told her that she left a bag behind. I was met with a very rude, "I told my son to get it!" Not a thank you, nothing. I thought...yeah, you want all the respect and you want people to be nice, but you just want to be an asshole in return. I replied with, "Your welcome" and walked back to the register to finish paying.

Fuck 'em! The next time I see a stupid asshole moo leaving a bag behind, I'll just say fuck it, and let her leave without it. Not worth the trouble.

OR, casually take it along with your own purchases and hope it contains more than some chafing medication for sore udders or some ButtPaste.

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I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!

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Lying, hypocritical MOO-Cunt: Nice people make it all easier. People who smile at our tantruming child with a face that says “I’ve been there, too” fill us with relief. That nice older man who holds the door for me as I struggle to squeeze my double wide stroller through the door at Starbucks makes my day. It’s not ideal. I feel guilty and encumbered by 1,000 things. But a little thoughtfulness makes me feel like we are all in it together. I get that it was my choice to procreate. I am not asking for “special” treatment. I just want kindness and respect.

Bumping the thread a bit. I actually tried to be nice to a moo-cunt today and was met with rudeness. I was in a store picking up a few items. It's about to close down, and there are a few good sales going on. The bitch in front of me, a totally disorganized mooo with two young kyds, was holding up the line, by making the cashier go over every single item on the receipt after purchase...and then making her take certain things off because they were too expensive...yadda yadda yadda.

My turn at the till, and the cashier noticed that the bitch had left one of her bags at the register. She tried calling for the distracted mooo, to come and get the bag, before she left the store. Since I am a nice person, a part of society, I decided to go over and let the idiot know that she left her bag at the till. I had to say "excuse me" three times before finally catching her attention, and I told her that she left a bag behind. I was met with a very rude, "I told my son to get it!" Not a thank you, nothing. I thought...yeah, you want all the respect and you want people to be nice, but you just want to be an asshole in return. I replied with, "Your welcome" and walked back to the register to finish paying.

Fuck 'em! The next time I see a stupid asshole moo leaving a bag behind, I'll just say fuck it, and let her leave without it. Not worth the trouble.

OR, casually take it along with your own purchases and hope it contains more than some chafing medication for sore udders or some ButtPaste.

Eh, Buttpaste?

(Googles it)

Oh, okay. Sounds like a term I'd use as an insult.

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"A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter." -Jonathan Swift, A Modest Proposal

kidlesskim: OR, casually take it along with your own purchases and hope it contains more than some chafing medication for sore udders or some ButtPaste.

Haha! I could do that next time...the cashier was alerted to the fact that the fool left her bag, so there was no way I could get away with it. Anyhow, all she really bought was some cheap junk food and school supplies. Nothing in there that I would be remotely interested in keeping for myself.

I think it would be funny if a pack of rubbers accidentally fell into her bag by 'mistake'.

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I think it would be funny if a pack of rubbers accidentally fell into her bag by 'mistake'.

and a pamplet for the nearest family planning clinic!

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Yeah well - I'm a Grouchy Senior Citizen in training.

Deal with it.

I believe I may be developing Adult Onset Autism, also. Pardon me while I pitch a fit.

Me too!!