13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy (Jahi McMath). Mom wants life support continued.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 12, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 128 |
And as some of you have already mentioned, her brain tissue has liquefied, and will begin to leak out of her nose and mouth. I wonder if Jahi's siblings are at all traumatized by the horror show that's taking place before their eyes, or if this is the worst case of necrophilia this country has ever seen.
Speaking of Jahi's siblings (I think there's four of them) -- they all have different last names, which is very telling.
It cannot be fucking legal to keep a decomposing body in one's house. Surely the smell has crept outside the home and drawn insects (not to mention it's a health hazard for everyone else in the home.) It is long past time for law enforcement to intervene in this situation -- imagine the late-night Elian Gonzales raid, but with the coroner's van waiting outside to speed away with the body on board. Since these people aren't playing with a full deck (to put it nicely), and are likely prone to violence judging from their whacked-out behavior, we can expect tear gas to be deployed, and shots to be fired. Now that would make for some great television.
Speaking of Jahi's siblings (I think there's four of them) -- they all have different last names, which is very telling.
It cannot be fucking legal to keep a decomposing body in one's house. Surely the smell has crept outside the home and drawn insects (not to mention it's a health hazard for everyone else in the home.) It is long past time for law enforcement to intervene in this situation -- imagine the late-night Elian Gonzales raid, but with the coroner's van waiting outside to speed away with the body on board. Since these people aren't playing with a full deck (to put it nicely), and are likely prone to violence judging from their whacked-out behavior, we can expect tear gas to be deployed, and shots to be fired. Now that would make for some great television.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 12, 2014 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 2,761 |
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 14, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 769 |
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 14, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 128 |
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Maybe they think they can get more money when they sue the hospital if they keep the body accessible for examination?
I'm thinking the famblee wants to prevent the body from being examined. From all that I've gathered, the post-op protocol was NOT followed. They paraded a conga line of family members through the ICU, because the mother thought it was "racist" for them not to be allowed in. All these family members (to put it nicely) were reportedly acting "boisterous," and they encouraged Jahi to talk and laugh -- MISTAKE NUMBER ONE for someone who just had extensive throat surgery. But unless there were cameras in the ICU, any excessive vocalizations from Jahi are gonna be hard to prove, and unfortunately for this case, hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law.
Eyewitnesses in the ICU who observed Jahi's family members also stated that her mother fed her a cheeseburger -- MISTAKE NUMBER TWO. That could have, and probably did, rupture the sutures -- if if it comes to light that Jahi's mother did, in fact, feed her during the time she wasn't to have any solid food, that is "contributory negligence", and will kill any hopes of a huge cash jackpot for them. (Would that food still be in her stomach/intestine weeks later, given that the bowel lining has sloughed off?)
And last, but not least, there's the issue of her grandmother (who was an LVN, but did NOT have privileges at that hospital) suctioning Jahi's bleeding. She could have damaged the clotting in the wounds doing that. Instead of practicing medicine in a place where she didn't have the right or responsibility to do so, she should have run SCREAMING for the nearest nurse -- whereupon a code would have been called. So why didn't she, instead of letting Jahi bleed into several containers?
The thing a lot of people are still misinformed on, is that this wasn't a "routine tonsillectomy" -- it was four different procedures done at once, each of which carried its own risks (including death). Everything else is just speculation at this point, and CHO currently has no way of telling its side of the story, due to HIPAA laws (I checked, and the laws apply for 50 years after the death of the patient.)
But when this goes to trial (and it will, because the family is seeking a $30 MILLION payday), all that damning evidence is gonna become public record. They won't get a penny, nor do they deserve one.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 15, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 1,391 |
My mother used to bitch that she had inflamed tonsils at least once a year, as a child. The doctor wanted to take them out but her mother was too scared to allow it. She had the surgery as soon as she turned 18.
As this was mid 20. century, methinks grandma Trekkie may have had a point
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 15, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 769 |
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crazy old crone
Maybe they think they can get more money when they sue the hospital if they keep the body accessible for examination?
I'm thinking the famblee wants to prevent the body from being examined. From all that I've gathered, the post-op protocol was NOT followed. They paraded a conga line of family members through the ICU, because the mother thought it was "racist" for them not to be allowed in. All these family members (to put it nicely) were reportedly acting "boisterous," and they encouraged Jahi to talk and laugh -- MISTAKE NUMBER ONE for someone who just had extensive throat surgery. But unless there were cameras in the ICU, any excessive vocalizations from Jahi are gonna be hard to prove, and unfortunately for this case, hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law.
Eyewitnesses in the ICU who observed Jahi's family members also stated that her mother fed her a cheeseburger -- MISTAKE NUMBER TWO. That could have, and probably did, rupture the sutures -- if if it comes to light that Jahi's mother did, in fact, feed her during the time she wasn't to have any solid food, that is "contributory negligence", and will kill any hopes of a huge cash jackpot for them. (Would that food still be in her stomach/intestine weeks later, given that the bowel lining has sloughed off?)
And last, but not least, there's the issue of her grandmother (who was an LVN, but did NOT have privileges at that hospital) suctioning Jahi's bleeding. She could have damaged the clotting in the wounds doing that. Instead of practicing medicine in a place where she didn't have the right or responsibility to do so, she should have run SCREAMING for the nearest nurse -- whereupon a code would have been called. So why didn't she, instead of letting Jahi bleed into several containers?
The thing a lot of people are still misinformed on, is that this wasn't a "routine tonsillectomy" -- it was four different procedures done at once, each of which carried its own risks (including death). Everything else is just speculation at this point, and CHO currently has no way of telling its side of the story, due to HIPAA laws (I checked, and the laws apply for 50 years after the death of the patient.)
But when this goes to trial (and it will, because the family is seeking a $30 MILLION payday), all that damning evidence is gonna become public record. They won't get a penny, nor do they deserve one.
WOW, what freaks! The poor girl had sleep apnea and was obese, so her mother JUST HAD TO shove a cheeseburger into her right after major throat surgery? That's insane! What possesses someone to do something like that? And the parade of relatives as well, when my Dad was in ICU after any of his many heart surgeries my Mom, Sister, and I were only allowed to visit for very short spurts, and if any other family was there we had to visit a few minutes, leave and let them go back. Always very brief and quiet.
I can't understand the way people think at all sometimes. It sounds like they contributed to her death in a major way. This does need to come out into the light of day.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 15, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 804 |
I think the 'cheeseburger incident' came out from a nurses' forum, early in the time Ms. Jahi was declared braindead. I don't know how true that is, but I'd love to find the nurses' forums that came from, and see what those posters were saying.
Edit: It was said in a news article that she was asking for a popsicle because 'her throat hurt.' I don't know if she was given one, but if she was, that would have done damage through mucus production.
Edit: It was said in a news article that she was asking for a popsicle because 'her throat hurt.' I don't know if she was given one, but if she was, that would have done damage through mucus production.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 15, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,149 |
She is going to be like the Sloth victim in Se7en. Instead of pine tree air fresheners they will have a shitload of those Febreeze stickies.
She may get a commercial out of it.
The cheeseburger story allegedly came from someone whose kid was also in the PICU. He also said that he and his wife had to go in one at a time, but her family had a fucking reunion in there with 8 people at a time. This part has apparently been confirmed so it probably won't be long before the I can haz cheezburger story is as well.
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She may get a commercial out of it.
The cheeseburger story allegedly came from someone whose kid was also in the PICU. He also said that he and his wife had to go in one at a time, but her family had a fucking reunion in there with 8 people at a time. This part has apparently been confirmed so it probably won't be long before the I can haz cheezburger story is as well.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 16, 2014 | Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 619 |
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 1,471 |
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 260 |
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Breaking news: Jahi Mcmath is STILL dead
I already knew I was going to hell, but I let out a huge snort of laughter when I read this. I'm still trying to suppress the giggles.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 2,176 |
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Breaking news: Jahi Mcmath is STILL dead
I already knew I was going to hell, but I let out a huge snort of laughter when I read this. I'm still trying to suppress the giggles.
Will Jahi make any guest appearances on The Walking Dead? :eyebrows
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 804 |
Wouldn't a person have to have a functioning brain to come back as a zombie? Her brain's almost liquified by now, she'd be the most inert walker ever.Quote
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Breaking news: Jahi Mcmath is STILL dead
I already knew I was going to hell, but I let out a huge snort of laughter when I read this. I'm still trying to suppress the giggles.
Will Jahi make any guest appearances on The Walking Dead? :eyebrows
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 2,176 |
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Wouldn't a person have to have a functioning brain to come back as a zombie? Her brain's almost liquified by now, she'd be the most inert walker ever.Quote
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ladybug2203
Breaking news: Jahi Mcmath is STILL dead
I already knew I was going to hell, but I let out a huge snort of laughter when I read this. I'm still trying to suppress the giggles.
Will Jahi make any guest appearances on The Walking Dead? :eyebrows
Well, with all the time and effort Moo's putting in to keeping her 'alive', I'm sure she'd find a way around Jahi's liquified brain...maybe hook the poor thing up to jumper cables or something
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,756 |
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Wouldn't a person have to have a functioning brain to come back as a zombie? Her brain's almost liquified by now, she'd be the most inert walker ever.Quote
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ladybug2203
Breaking news: Jahi Mcmath is STILL dead
I already knew I was going to hell, but I let out a huge snort of laughter when I read this. I'm still trying to suppress the giggles.
Will Jahi make any guest appearances on The Walking Dead? :eyebrows
No a functioning brain to come back a zombie is not necessay. As proof I offer Congress ...
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 2,761 |
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 17, 2014 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 1,685 |
You know, I followed this case a bit in the beginning, but I've since not paid it much attention, what with the holidays come/gone and other things. But, I was just wondering if there had finally been an end to this ordeal, so I was looking around a bit online.
I'm surprised this is still going on, frankly. But, I was reading a comment at another board and it pretty much summed up the situation, I think. The poster mentioned how this is the legacy this child will have. She'll not be remembered for who she was or the unique things about her; she'll be remembered for this whole circus her famblee has engaged in, and not even the opportunity to die in peace, with dignity.
I'm sure we've all here have lost people close to us, and some may have been under tragic circumstances. But, in looking back, I would say those people's demise was not the whole of who they were. We remember plenty of other things about them. But, this girl? All she's going to ever be to anyone, especially on a nationwide or global scale, is the girl who died and whose famblee dragged her around like a real-life Weekend at Bernie's.
Her famblee is making a mockery of her life/death with this sideshow, and they're assuring that even THEY will have this whole incident as their own main memory of her.
How sick is that? To die, and not be remembered for the wonderful, unique, etc., person that you were; but instead remembered as a corpse dragged around for attention and profit.
I'm surprised this is still going on, frankly. But, I was reading a comment at another board and it pretty much summed up the situation, I think. The poster mentioned how this is the legacy this child will have. She'll not be remembered for who she was or the unique things about her; she'll be remembered for this whole circus her famblee has engaged in, and not even the opportunity to die in peace, with dignity.
I'm sure we've all here have lost people close to us, and some may have been under tragic circumstances. But, in looking back, I would say those people's demise was not the whole of who they were. We remember plenty of other things about them. But, this girl? All she's going to ever be to anyone, especially on a nationwide or global scale, is the girl who died and whose famblee dragged her around like a real-life Weekend at Bernie's.
Her famblee is making a mockery of her life/death with this sideshow, and they're assuring that even THEY will have this whole incident as their own main memory of her.
How sick is that? To die, and not be remembered for the wonderful, unique, etc., person that you were; but instead remembered as a corpse dragged around for attention and profit.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 279 |
Ughhhh, that court document describing how the corpse is decomposing is stomach churning and ghoulish.
How is the body not stinking unbearably by now if her insides are not only rotting out but LEAKING out?? I didn't even realize someone could be put on life support if they're fully brain dead. The document goes into detail about how her brain is not functioning, which means various parts are switched off permanently and decaying inside the body!! Can you imagine? How can anyone look at the corpse and still declare it a living being?? ::brbl
How is the body not stinking unbearably by now if her insides are not only rotting out but LEAKING out?? I didn't even realize someone could be put on life support if they're fully brain dead. The document goes into detail about how her brain is not functioning, which means various parts are switched off permanently and decaying inside the body!! Can you imagine? How can anyone look at the corpse and still declare it a living being?? ::brbl
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 19 years ago Posts: 9,195 |
This hasn't been posted yet. It's making the rounds on blogs and message boards.
Of course, you can't confirm the authenticity, but it seems logical, given how the family is acting:
In the freaking recovery room? Who in their right mind gives someone who's had major nose and throat surgery, a Big Mac IN THE RECOVERY ROOM?
It reminds me of Shauna, actually....this kid has had major surgery--she can go without eating for a few hours.
No wonder the kid was obese.
And I hate the constant press references to her surgery as a tonsilectomy or even a "routine tonsilectomy." Er, no.
Of course, you can't confirm the authenticity, but it seems logical, given how the family is acting:
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A man who was in both the recovery room and the PICU with his 4 year old son witnessed a lot. He posted in the LA Times in comments on a few of the articles which wound up deleted and comments disabled. I think they were compelled by lawyers for the hospital probably contacted him right after. Anyhow his description of what he himself witnessed went something like: 1. His son is 4 Nd was in Recovery Room. He said his son was not "special enough" to have both his parents in at the same time so they had to take turns to be with him. The RR nurses were distracted to the degree of clearing the other 15 family members all loud as can be from the RR. As the nurses did this mama and grandma fed Jahi bites of their Big Macs. Jahi started with a few bites then grandma provided the Popsicle but she had begun bleeding. Then mama fed her last few bites of Big Mac and immediately began bleeding heavier until it became waterfall like. I am going to venture a guess. Big Mac bites popped sutures to arteries. Grandma began suctioning and then the use of a large bucket was required. Hospital staff reacted to the situation as best as possible and as quickly as possible. 2. Later on in the PICU the father and his wife at separate times witnessed abuse of medical staff and all hospital staff in general by the entire family. The father describes the family as extremely ignorant, uneducated and disruptive. Ghetto period. The family had blatant disregard for every other family with critical children trying to survive and live these families also had to endure this circus. Disrespectful and selfish entitled behavior exhibited by the mother and uncle in particular. I feel terrible for all the families and hospital staff, doctors, nurses, pcas and CNAs right on to the janitor for having to be subjected to these.
In the freaking recovery room? Who in their right mind gives someone who's had major nose and throat surgery, a Big Mac IN THE RECOVERY ROOM?
It reminds me of Shauna, actually....this kid has had major surgery--she can go without eating for a few hours.
No wonder the kid was obese.
And I hate the constant press references to her surgery as a tonsilectomy or even a "routine tonsilectomy." Er, no.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 804 |
I'm guessing that's why the family is trying to keep her hooked up, they're keeping her 'alive' so they don't have to feel that guilt that what they did ended up killing her. I bet as soon as the girl's heart stops irretrievably, the mother and grandmother will have a mental breakdown when reality hits home.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 672 |
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I'm guessing that's why the family is trying to keep her hooked up, they're keeping her 'alive' so they don't have to feel that guilt that what they did ended up killing her. I bet as soon as the girl's heart stops irretrievably, the mother and grandmother will have a mental breakdown when reality hits home.
You're more charitable to these people than I was thinking. My first thought was that they're keeping her "alive" so nobody can be charged with murder.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 3,978 |
Holy shit, the description of the girl bleeding is nightmare fuel. I had imagined it was a fair amount, but sweet merciful cheesus.
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"I feel like there's a message involved here somehow, but then I couldn't stop laughing at all the plotholes, like the part when North Korea has food."
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Oh whatever. Abortion doctors are crimestoppers."
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 19 years ago Posts: 9,195 |
As this article shows in Figure 3, arteries circle the entire tonsil area. It's a very blood rich environment where it's easy to nick an artery, especially if you are allowing your child to eat after surgery.
I've had trouble with my tonsils my whole life. I've always known tonsilectomies are dangerous, particularly for adults, because I know someone who was thirty who died after the operation.
I have airway issues. I could stand to lose 15 pounds, but I'm just built badly. (genetic lottery fail.) My entire life my Mallampati Score is and always has been a four. I have sleep apnea and no doubt I had it from a young age, and I've always been a difficult intubation. (Not to self, get a medic alert bracelet.) . I asked for a sleep study when I was in my 30's and 40's. Denied by my insurance company both times until I hit 50.
When I was a kid, routine tonsilectomies were falling out of favor. My older sister got one and I did not. Now I am kind of glad. That surgery would be a last resort for me now, which is as it should be I suppose.
Back to topic, sleep apnea is curable by a CPAP machine. I'm guessing the family couldn't get Jahi to comply and they were too undisciplined/unmotivated to go the diet route.
I've had trouble with my tonsils my whole life. I've always known tonsilectomies are dangerous, particularly for adults, because I know someone who was thirty who died after the operation.
I have airway issues. I could stand to lose 15 pounds, but I'm just built badly. (genetic lottery fail.) My entire life my Mallampati Score is and always has been a four. I have sleep apnea and no doubt I had it from a young age, and I've always been a difficult intubation. (Not to self, get a medic alert bracelet.) . I asked for a sleep study when I was in my 30's and 40's. Denied by my insurance company both times until I hit 50.
When I was a kid, routine tonsilectomies were falling out of favor. My older sister got one and I did not. Now I am kind of glad. That surgery would be a last resort for me now, which is as it should be I suppose.
Back to topic, sleep apnea is curable by a CPAP machine. I'm guessing the family couldn't get Jahi to comply and they were too undisciplined/unmotivated to go the diet route.
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Re: 13 year old girl is brain dead after tonsilectomy. Mom wants life support continued. January 18, 2014 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 3,572 |
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