Being confronted by forced birthers

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a5669/abortion-clinic-protesters/

Quite the interesting read

I believe it shows the rationality of people who believe in reproductive freedom that, so far (to my knowledge), there hasn't been an incident of someone pulling up with an automatic weapon and mowing a group of those "protesters" down. Reading those stories is so infuriating, I'd like to see some ass-kicking, but sanity wins out and keeps those numbnuts safe.

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I believe it shows the rationality of people who believe in reproductive freedom that, so far (to my knowledge), there hasn't been an incident of someone pulling up with an automatic weapon and mowing a group of those "protesters" down. Reading those stories is so infuriating, I'd like to see some ass-kicking, but sanity wins out and keeps those numbnuts safe.

It's the rationale morals of the forced birth flock which provide jobs for those that make replacement feet for Darwin fish emblems.

That is some terrifying reading . These people never stop to ask why. Why is this woman doing this? What can we do to help stop unwanted pregnancies? It's easier to blame than it is to actually do something positive like help end poverty by encouraging young women to get on and stay on birth control, make birth control easier and affordable and of course listening to these women if they choose to have an abortion with understanding and compassion....not ridicule and scorn. For many this is not a day that they decided "gee what can I do to alleviate this boredom? Oh I know! I'll have an abortion yay!". They thought long and hard about it and have decided this is the best option and unless you are willing to take and raise every child that was to be aborted, no one should have any say so.

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These people never stop to ask why.

I'm not bitching at you, but it's absolutely none of their business why. Even from a forced-birther, entertaining the question of 'why' only motivates them to find ever less relevant 'reasons' to offer why a woman shouldn't abort. If her reason is 'don't want to be pregnant,' then that's good enough. The fact that most of their go-to histrionics consist of ridicule and scorn clearly exposes that their 'concern' has nothing to do with 'innocent babies.' It's about women having and enjoying sex without unwelcome and unnecessary 'consequences.'

I guaran-dam-tee you that if a woman showed up with a freshly shat loaf and tried to hand it off to one of those lunatics, every one of them would run screaming into the night. They don't want to 'save a baby,' they want to slut shame women.

That first story alone should have had those pro-liars in handcuffs. Throwing doll parts at a pregnant woman is surely assault in any jurisdiction.

And even if she was aborting, I'd gladly back up that charge if only to make it stick it to them.

There's a "crisis pregnancy center" in my town. Of course, it's strictly of the pro-birthing variety, though they actually give out baby stuff to help new mothers. Which is something, I guess. Sadly, though, the local/area Yellow Pages has no ads for abortion providers. Nada, none.

And to top it off, the Planned Parenthood clinic in Fond du Lac is closing soon. That means five out of eight clinics that provided abortions in Wisconsin will have closed since 2011. That was when the state legislature cut PP's funding. The obvious fact is that no one really likes abortions, but they need to be legal. Even the most ignorant Fundy knows that abortions will still happen if banned, but it doesn't matter to them. "The wages of sin," you know. Damn, this state is turning into a theocracy!

It takes a child to raze a village.

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For many this is not a day that they decided "gee what can I do to alleviate this boredom? Oh I know! I'll have an abortion yay!". They thought long and hard about it and have decided this is the best option and unless you are willing to take and raise every child that was to be aborted, no one should have any say so.

It's only a decision that *some* people have to think long and hard about. I knew I was going to have an abortion about 16 seconds after I got the news that the rabbit had died. (Yes, it was a *long* time ago.) Not all of us agonize about the decision, nor should we have to. Abortion isn't a life-changing decision; it's a decision allowing you to keep your life *exactly as it is*. The decision to birth a child is the life-changing decision.

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For many this is not a day that they decided "gee what can I do to alleviate this boredom? Oh I know! I'll have an abortion yay!". They thought long and hard about it and have decided this is the best option and unless you are willing to take and raise every child that was to be aborted, no one should have any say so.

It's only a decision that *some* people have to think long and hard about. I knew I was going to have an abortion about 16 seconds after I got the news that the rabbit had died. (Yes, it was a *long* time ago.) Not all of us agonize about the decision, nor should we have to. Abortion isn't a life-changing decision; it's a decision allowing you to keep your life *exactly as it is*. The decision to birth a child is the life-changing decision.

If I got pregnant I would have an abortion because I am *corrupted by pollution*. I mention that because I wonder what these Forced Birthers plan to do with all the Defectos that will be born if there's no abortion let alone no BC.

There are many highly polluted areas world wide. Esp. in the US. If your rivers are *catching fire* - you might - have a pollution problem eyes2 GW Bush opened up many former EPA "Brownfields" for RE development. It will be interesting to see what sort of Defectos bubble up from these toxic holes. I hope they have decent water at the least. Even 'being around' some of this stuff - even long past stuff 'out gassing' - can be enough to kill you.

Or cause serious birth defects.

Who will pay for all the Defectos? The Awtard Count keeps going up as is. And then - most of this Bible Thumpin Ilk also believe in the Subservient SAHCow - and Bible Beatin Duhddy is going to get exactly *what job* to pay for all this? They'll have to have some type of Gov insurance - and guess who will pay for that. How we will is anyone's guess. If it's 1/100 Awtards now I will guess that will jump to 5/100, plus All Types Other Defectos and Various Tards and Mutants - who's going to pay for all this? There will be a huge uptick of mangled messes, might go to 30 / 100 kids, and not that there's not enough plain old dummies as is either.

And they also want to CUT taxes? And keep offshoring jobs? And operate offshore so's to avoid the tax man? How is this all supposed to work?

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It's only a decision that *some* people have to think long and hard about. I knew I was going to have an abortion about 16 seconds after I got the news that the rabbit had died. (Yes, it was a *long* time ago.) Not all of us agonize about the decision, nor should we have to. Abortion isn't a life-changing decision; it's a decision allowing you to keep your life *exactly as it is*. The decision to birth a child is the life-changing decision.

I agree that for some women (myself included) it's not a difficult decision and there is no agonising. I knew straight away that I was going to terminate and when the doctor asked me did I want time to think about it, I told her no, just start the process.

I thought that having an abortion would, like you say, allow me to keep my life exactly the same. But that wasn't the case. Not because I ever regretted it, for a second, but due to other circumstances. My then boyfriend was so freaked out by me being up the duff, even at the early stage I was (I had a medical abortion at 9 weeks) that he would barely touch me. He was 2 hours late picking me up from the hospital and buggered off again as soon as I was home, leaving my flatmate to look after me. Shortly afterwards he told me he'd been seeing someone else and we broke up. I then entered a very very dark place for a few months. I now see that he was a selfish prick, but my 20 year old self didn't.

My dad also didn't speak to me for a few months after he found out.

So, it didn't allow me to keep my life just as it was, and I think for a lot of women it does change things even if in more subtle ways. People aren't always prepared for the emotional repercussions, even if they don't regret having the procedure at all.

I come from a pro-liar family. My parents fought against the abortion law in the '60. Yet here I am.

Still, I don't GET US forced birthers. I mean, you don't want abortion? Fine, then support birth control. It is a FACT that banning abortion doesn't decrease the number of abortions, only birth control does it.
Duh.
Don't get it. Just don't. How can they say it is not about controlling women?

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lib'-er-ty: the freedom given to you to make the wrong decision, based on the reasoned belief that you will normally make the right one.

No barbu I know you are not bitching at me , but I do wish these morons
would take a moment and actually think before protesting. My step-twit is
one of the "no abortion no matter what" crowd. And I wish to everything
that I was making this up but she's one of those "women who are raped
asked for it" fundies. The last discussion we had was about the 11 year
old in Brazil having to have an abortion to save her life. Her response?
"She is going to hell andd probably led her step-father on, you know how
they are down there"....did I mention she's a bigot?

So when I said "why is this woman doing this?" I would hope it would put a more
human touch and a bit of common ground (however much of a fairytale THAT
would be) between them. They never see the women as human. The women
who are outside protesting never see the women undergoing an abortion as
the same as them. They never stop to think "that could be me going through
those doors". It's easier for them to believe that they are fighting this huge
social fight without ever realizing all they are doing is cutting off a safe
procedure. Abortion and birth control have existed since time began but
they cannot understand that. In their deluded minds this is an evil that
must be vanquished no matter the cost.

And let's not even go to how the "men" on this side of the fence feel.

The most ironic thing I have found in this is my great aunt. She is a 100%
bible thumping holy roller....who not only encourages birth control but
also believes in abortion and feminism. Makes me wonder about these
forced birthers.....

I had to go to PP for my normal health care while I was unemployed/uninsured. It was the only way to get BC pills. It was the only way to get a pap smear. It was the only way to treat the occasional BV infection. (It's hard being a female in the film industry.)

NONE of the times I went was for an abortion, and I was there 2-3 times a year.

Every time you go, you get yelled at for being a murderer. If you say you're not pregnant, they accuse you of lying. If you say you don't have sex (I went a few years without... I'm picky.), they call you a lying whore. Back in the 90's they actually took your photo, took a photo of your car, looked up your registration information and then put it up on a website labeled "Murderer" and encouraging people to come to your home to terrorize you. Of course, at the time, my registration was not under my address, so the few people who did show up at the place I used to live, only frighted my ex-roommate, who tipped me off to what was going on.

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That is some terrifying reading . These people never stop to ask why. Why is this woman doing this? What can we do to help stop unwanted pregnancies? It's easier to blame than it is to actually do something positive like help end poverty by encouraging young women to get on and stay on birth control, make birth control easier and affordable and of course listening to these women if they choose to have an abortion with understanding and compassion....not ridicule and scorn. For many this is not a day that they decided "gee what can I do to alleviate this boredom? Oh I know! I'll have an abortion yay!". They thought long and hard about it and have decided this is the best option and unless you are willing to take and raise every child that was to be aborted, no one should have any say so.

It does not matter one rat's ass why she is there. This is a LEGAL medical procedure that doesn't not need to be justified anymore than a nose job, dental surgery, an appendectomy or vasectomy. I can tell you that as a rape victim I was called a whore and a slut along with every other woman. I don't know why most of those women were there and I don't need to know. A few were chatty but that was their choice. When this happened to me the closest clinic over an hour away didn't offer the pills so I had to wait six horrid weeks, 4 of them knowing I was pregnant with that bastard's spawn and reliving that rape every time I puked from morning sickness. I don't think my reason is any more valid than women who just didn't want a baby. Anti choice people can go fuck themselves. I certainly didn't mark rape on my intake for because I was afraid of being sent for "more counseling" before I could have the medical procedure I knew I would have. Now, when working as a clinic escort, my mouth stays closed. I am there for the patient. But here, not so much......

First, I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my inability to make my posting clearer. No it's no one's business why anyone would receive an abortion. Again I'm sorry for my muddled posting.

The point I keep trying to make...and failing at....is that these morons can never put themselves into the other person's shoes. If they could do so there wouldn't even be this issue coming up. They cannot comprehend NOT wanting to be pregnant or having kids and all women who have an abortion are misguided sinful harlots. They never see the women having an abortion as people. They can't because they never ask the question of why. They just swallow the propaganda and never try to understand why. Even if it's a case of I just don't want a brat they can't comprehend and empathize with the woman's decision. They can't say "damn that sucks you got pregnant, I understand do you want Chinese after the abortion?" it's like a horse with blinders on, they can't see anything other than what is in front of them. They can't even equate the lack of access to birth control to an increase in abortion. In their world its marriage then sex. And if you are married then you must produce babies so why should you need birth control. And if you don't want anymore babies after producing 5 or 6 then you must go without the ebil sex. And help you if you are having sex without being married in these people's demented minds. It's the how dare a woman have sex because she enjoys it BS. Which in itself is one of the most hypocritical thing these jackasses come up with. Women are sluts for enjoying sex, but the men enjoying them are manly studs and when they are done with them, dump them calling them whores etc. If these women actually took the time out and studied abortion, they would see it's been around for ages. But they're so determined to belong to the "cool kids" they have no problem lying to themselves about it being a method of control. They are bound a determined to project an image of themselves as above the lower masses who slink into the darkness and terminates their pregnancy. To them, these women are so below them it's reminiscent of being in high school with the way they look down on those having it done. It's almost like a sorority to these women to belong to. I know my step-twit was excited to belong to one and couldn't wait for her and her group of re-re's turn to have "tea with the governors wife tehee" (she belongs to the teabaggers wife's club thingy). To them "all life is sacred"....until it's born then it's on it's own. I have yet to see a protest at a maternity ward....those fetuses don't count and if they are going to crack addicted psychos oh well.

I wonder if there's ever been a study to investigate what percentage of (female) anti-choicers have had abortions. I would bet it's the same or higher than the average (which is about 1/3 in America) but you'd never get reliable data from these people…they make up all sorts of data, so they'd probably lie about having had an abortion as well.

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The point I keep trying to make...and failing at....is that these morons can never put themselves into the other person's shoes.

I understand what you're saying. They have no empathy for real, live, existing people. They can't be bothered to think about the issue beyond a knee-jerk reaction because it's so much easier to project all of their own hangups and issues onto a barely-formed cipher.

Even most of the so-called 'secular pro-life' still end up appealing to emotion when 'science' isn't effective persuasion. Of course, science has nothing to do with whether one needs an abortion or not, which is why treacly emotion and strong-arm attempts to induce guilt are the only poor alternatives.

YummyNotMummy said: "I thought that having an abortion would, like you say, allow me to keep my life exactly the same. But that wasn't the case. Not because I ever regretted it, for a second, but due to other circumstances. My then boyfriend was so freaked out by me being up the duff, even at the early stage I was (I had a medical abortion at 9 weeks) that he would barely touch me. He was 2 hours late picking me up from the hospital and buggered off again as soon as I was home, leaving my flatmate to look after me. Shortly afterwards he told me he'd been seeing someone else and we broke up. I then entered a very very dark place for a few months. I now see that he was a selfish prick, but my 20 year old self didn't."

Under the circumstances, don't kick yourself: you made the correct decision to terminate. Sounds as if the ex-boyfriend would have hit the road and disappeared had you decided to carry the pregnancy—no help, no child support, nothing. You would have been yet another single mother raising the child on your own with no help of any kind from him. "Selfish prick" to describe him is dead on the money. I get sick of hearing about men like him.