More backlash against kids in cafes and pubs
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Re: More backlash against kids in cafes and pubs October 25, 2014 |
There's too much fail in this article to only make one comment, so I will take it on in it's entirety. Following is the article with my first thoughts in red:
An Australian business owner did a brave thing this week. Jodie Morris announced that her cafe would no longer be accepting badly behaved children. If parents were looking for somewhere for children to “run rampant and annoy other customers,†she wrote on Facebook, then her premises were “not child friendlyâ€. It would have been "brave" had she banned kids altogether. This "...only badly behaved kids" will cause her to adhere to a "not child friendly" stance is too subjective since ANY kid, present in a primarily adult oriented drinking establishment, is annoying to the majority of adult patrons including the childed ones who have PAID for a baby sitter.:drkbddy
This has upset some customers, but I imagine others will breathe a sigh of relief. I would have gone further. The “well behaved†rule will no doubt lead to conflict further down the line (“Why does my darling have to leave when that other child can stay?â€). So why not ban the whole lot of them? I believe in the sanctity of child-free spaces. Am I the only one; will someone not think of the adults? This is PRECISELY WHY it should be a kid free establishment, across the board.
I realise that when one makes a statement such as this the defensive parent’s immediate retort will be, “Well, you don’t have children.†It’s true, I don’t. But I was a carer to my autistic brother for 12 years and have therefore wiped more bottoms and endured more Thomas the Tank Engine reruns than you will ever know. Then I was a nanny. I love kids, I just think child-free spaces are crucial to adult sanity. God, the dreaded unchilded apologetic. It's okay she takes this stance because, after all, she LOVES kids
Perhaps we should start conserving them, like areas of outstanding natural beauty, so rare are they becoming – at least in my little corner of north London (which I’ll admit is a particularly bad example). I heard dark murmurings recently that a “children’s cafe†had opened. There are posters for “Baby Folk†lessons all over the place – because what every exhausted parent wants is to listen to repeat renditions of Battle of the Bean Field on the tambourine, performed by a troupe of toddlers. And that’s before you even start on the pubs. If I woke up in a "children's cafe" with a bunch of toddlers circling like sharks with fucking tambourines cranking out ear piercing "music", I'd believe I had succumbed to the horror of it, died, and landed in hell. :smn
It’s not just London either. The problem is more a particular type, who combines relaxed, liberal parenting in public with hypercompetitive child worship in private. You don’t see these people in the local Wetherspoons, put it that way – and thus, in many of the more unfashionable family pubs (Brewer’s Fayre, with its soft play area and ice cream factory, was our family favourite) you can find perfectly pleasant children. I’m not against all children in all pubs all the time: I quite like the young mums who all head down to my local on a weekday afternoon and drink from bowl-like glasses of wine, chatting while their newborns sleep in pushchairs nearby. But you can’t, as Morris has, ban one type of child and not another, just as you can’t always control whether or a child behaves well or not.Again, more reasons to ban kids across the board in any and all drinking establishments. For every loaf fast asleep in a push chair there are a dozen others shrieking to be fed, changed, held, or WORSE;They're sick and spreading germs as they wail.
In some ways, the increased presence of children in adult spaces reflects progress: no longer are little ones expected to be seen and not heard, they are, in most homes, loved, cherished, and listened to. I would not like to see my area return to how it was in the 1980s, when my mother recalls seeing a child with foetal alcohol syndrome sitting on the steps of the Drum & Monkey every day, while his parents drank inside. In the old days, if you were lucky, your dad might lock you in the car and bring you a bag of crisps if you hooted the horn for long enough, but parents can’t do that now, because of child neglect laws, and the prohibitive cost of on-street parking in the London borough of Islington. WHAT ON EARTH does an isolated case of a tard kid sitting on the steps of a bar while it's parents drank inside, which I HIGHLY doubt that even in the 80's this took place, have to do with anything?
Perhaps children in pubs reflect a greater equality, too. If dad wants to go down the pub for a few then he has to take “the missus†and kids as well. No more rolling in at 4am stinking of Spitfire – women want in on the fun. Childcare costs are prohibitive as well. I do sympathise, and don’t think that you should lose your identity and your social life just because you have children. It’s just that sometimes I want a drink or a coffee without a six-year-old screaming in my ear. Then again, who doesn’t? God, that Moos don't get "equality"drinking in pubs like their husbands does NOT warrant subjecting other paying patrons to their unruly kids! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT if it isn't fair Moo can't go out and drink like the baby daddy! NOT MY PROBLEM:bedmadelie
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
An Australian business owner did a brave thing this week. Jodie Morris announced that her cafe would no longer be accepting badly behaved children. If parents were looking for somewhere for children to “run rampant and annoy other customers,†she wrote on Facebook, then her premises were “not child friendlyâ€. It would have been "brave" had she banned kids altogether. This "...only badly behaved kids" will cause her to adhere to a "not child friendly" stance is too subjective since ANY kid, present in a primarily adult oriented drinking establishment, is annoying to the majority of adult patrons including the childed ones who have PAID for a baby sitter.:drkbddy
This has upset some customers, but I imagine others will breathe a sigh of relief. I would have gone further. The “well behaved†rule will no doubt lead to conflict further down the line (“Why does my darling have to leave when that other child can stay?â€). So why not ban the whole lot of them? I believe in the sanctity of child-free spaces. Am I the only one; will someone not think of the adults? This is PRECISELY WHY it should be a kid free establishment, across the board.
I realise that when one makes a statement such as this the defensive parent’s immediate retort will be, “Well, you don’t have children.†It’s true, I don’t. But I was a carer to my autistic brother for 12 years and have therefore wiped more bottoms and endured more Thomas the Tank Engine reruns than you will ever know. Then I was a nanny. I love kids, I just think child-free spaces are crucial to adult sanity. God, the dreaded unchilded apologetic. It's okay she takes this stance because, after all, she LOVES kids
Perhaps we should start conserving them, like areas of outstanding natural beauty, so rare are they becoming – at least in my little corner of north London (which I’ll admit is a particularly bad example). I heard dark murmurings recently that a “children’s cafe†had opened. There are posters for “Baby Folk†lessons all over the place – because what every exhausted parent wants is to listen to repeat renditions of Battle of the Bean Field on the tambourine, performed by a troupe of toddlers. And that’s before you even start on the pubs. If I woke up in a "children's cafe" with a bunch of toddlers circling like sharks with fucking tambourines cranking out ear piercing "music", I'd believe I had succumbed to the horror of it, died, and landed in hell. :smn
It’s not just London either. The problem is more a particular type, who combines relaxed, liberal parenting in public with hypercompetitive child worship in private. You don’t see these people in the local Wetherspoons, put it that way – and thus, in many of the more unfashionable family pubs (Brewer’s Fayre, with its soft play area and ice cream factory, was our family favourite) you can find perfectly pleasant children. I’m not against all children in all pubs all the time: I quite like the young mums who all head down to my local on a weekday afternoon and drink from bowl-like glasses of wine, chatting while their newborns sleep in pushchairs nearby. But you can’t, as Morris has, ban one type of child and not another, just as you can’t always control whether or a child behaves well or not.Again, more reasons to ban kids across the board in any and all drinking establishments. For every loaf fast asleep in a push chair there are a dozen others shrieking to be fed, changed, held, or WORSE;They're sick and spreading germs as they wail.
In some ways, the increased presence of children in adult spaces reflects progress: no longer are little ones expected to be seen and not heard, they are, in most homes, loved, cherished, and listened to. I would not like to see my area return to how it was in the 1980s, when my mother recalls seeing a child with foetal alcohol syndrome sitting on the steps of the Drum & Monkey every day, while his parents drank inside. In the old days, if you were lucky, your dad might lock you in the car and bring you a bag of crisps if you hooted the horn for long enough, but parents can’t do that now, because of child neglect laws, and the prohibitive cost of on-street parking in the London borough of Islington. WHAT ON EARTH does an isolated case of a tard kid sitting on the steps of a bar while it's parents drank inside, which I HIGHLY doubt that even in the 80's this took place, have to do with anything?
Perhaps children in pubs reflect a greater equality, too. If dad wants to go down the pub for a few then he has to take “the missus†and kids as well. No more rolling in at 4am stinking of Spitfire – women want in on the fun. Childcare costs are prohibitive as well. I do sympathise, and don’t think that you should lose your identity and your social life just because you have children. It’s just that sometimes I want a drink or a coffee without a six-year-old screaming in my ear. Then again, who doesn’t? God, that Moos don't get "equality"drinking in pubs like their husbands does NOT warrant subjecting other paying patrons to their unruly kids! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT if it isn't fair Moo can't go out and drink like the baby daddy! NOT MY PROBLEM:bedmadelie
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If YOU are the "exception" to what I am saying, then why does my commentary bother you so much?
I don't hate your kids, I HATE YOU!
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Re: More backlash against kids in cafes and pubs October 27, 2014 |
I've just given up on a local cafe I really like because it's just too much of a breeder-magnet. I used to go there with my laptop and spend a few hours working there because they do a great range of excellent teas (I love my tea) and there's usually a great soundtrack of funk and soul playing. Unfortunately everything they sell is organic so it attracts crunchy parunts and yummy mummies in their droves. I know a cafe isn't a study space and it would be unreasonable for me to expect everyone to be quiet, but the parunts really take the piss by letting their sprogs shriek and run around, making "funny" noises to keep their sprogs amused (with one duh even making loud trumpet noises the other day), letting their sprogs play with noisy musical toys, and worst of all, loudly reading out stories to them- have you ever heard anyone do this? It's even harder to tune out than a loud mobile phone conversation.
If an unchilded person went in and had a loud conversation on their phone, started whistling or singing or brought in a musical instrument they'd be asked to leave or at least keep the noise down, but parunts see their sprogs as a licence to be as antisocial as humanly possible. Even more annoyingly this cafe actually has a big, light and airy side-room especially for famblees and dog owners, with buggy spaces, toys, books and plenty of space for sprogs and pets to run around in, yet most famblees insist on taking their sprogs into the main room and inflicting their spawn on as many people as possible. By contrast the dog owners are happy to make use of the side room and to keep their pets from bothering everyone else.
I've given up on that place and started going to a nearby bar instead. It plays good music and sells tea but also sells booze and so doesn't allow sprogs
wink It feels so much more civilised than the crunchy cafe, which by comparison feels like a zoo- and there's a certain irony there as many of the pubs here which ban children proudly advertise the fact that they allow dogs. I consider the Dugs Welcome stickers ("dugs"= "dogs" in a Scottish accent) some pubs have on their doors as a mark of quality.Their landlords realise dog owners appreciate that not everyone wants to play with their pet and accept that some people are even frightened of dogs, while parunts let their sprogs babystalk everyone and get in the way of staff and can't understand why anyone might want their little mirakuls to just leave them alone.
Again, if a dog owner let their dog off the lead and it bit someone they'd be in serious trouble and may even have their four-legged friend put down, while a sprog running riot around staff carrying glasses and hot food could cause an accident and totally get away with it.
If an unchilded person went in and had a loud conversation on their phone, started whistling or singing or brought in a musical instrument they'd be asked to leave or at least keep the noise down, but parunts see their sprogs as a licence to be as antisocial as humanly possible. Even more annoyingly this cafe actually has a big, light and airy side-room especially for famblees and dog owners, with buggy spaces, toys, books and plenty of space for sprogs and pets to run around in, yet most famblees insist on taking their sprogs into the main room and inflicting their spawn on as many people as possible. By contrast the dog owners are happy to make use of the side room and to keep their pets from bothering everyone else.
I've given up on that place and started going to a nearby bar instead. It plays good music and sells tea but also sells booze and so doesn't allow sprogs
wink It feels so much more civilised than the crunchy cafe, which by comparison feels like a zoo- and there's a certain irony there as many of the pubs here which ban children proudly advertise the fact that they allow dogs. I consider the Dugs Welcome stickers ("dugs"= "dogs" in a Scottish accent) some pubs have on their doors as a mark of quality.Their landlords realise dog owners appreciate that not everyone wants to play with their pet and accept that some people are even frightened of dogs, while parunts let their sprogs babystalk everyone and get in the way of staff and can't understand why anyone might want their little mirakuls to just leave them alone.Again, if a dog owner let their dog off the lead and it bit someone they'd be in serious trouble and may even have their four-legged friend put down, while a sprog running riot around staff carrying glasses and hot food could cause an accident and totally get away with it.
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