Moo and brats invading my privacy.

I don't start too many topics here, but what happened tonight made me RAGEY.

Mr. M6 and I are living in a townhouse complex which has pretty much become overrun by breeders and brats. We used to have a tall fence around our yard, but management decided to take it down and replace it with a short fence. We had a privacy screen up, but management told us to remove it because they want all the yards to look the SAME.

Anyhoo, the back yard with the short fence looks directly into our dining room and kitchen, the place where we spend most of our time. There is a pathway just outside of our yard, so there are dozens of people walking by all day long. We are basically on display like monkeys at a zoo, with people constantly walking by and staring in at us while we are having coffee, eating our dinner, etc. etc.

Tonight, however was the icing on the shit cake. I was cooking dinner with Mr. M6 when I hear a noise coming from over our fence. A goddamned moo and two brats were looking into our dining room, staring directly at us, and the brats were practically climbing our fence!

I opened the screen door and gave her my best WTF face, and she apologized and said that the brats heard the birds and were curious. I slammed the screen and started shaking. I am a very private person, and since we had our fence removed and our privacy screen taken down we have NO privacy whatsoever. Management doesn't give two flying fucks about the people who live here, either.

We had a unit inspection yesterday, and our townhouse needs serious work...I was told to just live with the damage, even though the damage was created by prior tenants and actual hazards to our safety and health.

Needless to say, we are moving. We have decided to buy a home in the country. Renting is the SHITS and we are sick and tired of it.

The hilarious thing is the townhouse complex I live in was built originally for SENIORS, but breeders have taken over. They are quite small with only two bedrooms in each one, but breeders pump 'em out and stack 'em up like cordwood in these tiny places, probably because they can't afford better accommodations.

Well, me and my husband CAN, and we are leaving.

I distinctly remember being severely admonished by my mom for looking into someone's balcony. Now it seems the parunts not only allow their kyds to stare into homes at strangers, they join in too.

I live in an apartment so I have never experienced attempted trespassing by kyds, but I KNOW if I ever get my own yard, it would be bratproofed with nasty plants like cacti or euphorbias around the perimeter.

Hope you get some peace and quiet in your new home!!!

Good for you that you can and will leave that place.

I could not live like this.
My DH's cousin has a new house with pathway outside
of her yard. When we were visiting, people were walking by
and staring at us. Grrrrrr. The house is an expensive house
in a developer project. Because the whole project is upscale,
plots are very small. You have no privacy there as you
live "head on head" with neighbours. It must be comparable
to your townhouse. Soooo not worth it - no quallity of life.

congrats on the plans to buy a house.

what you should do till you move, is put up the screening stuff again, and this time when they complain, state that it wont be removed till some repairs are done, since they clearly don't care about the health and safety of their tenants, why should they care about the tenants privacy? or the place looking the same, when its not?

if you have a contract that states any parts that were damaged and should have been repaired during your stay, you can hold them accountable for it and use it against them.

I'm a very private person, too and that would drive me batshit. I keep my purse in a filing cabinet at work. The trolls I work with think nothing of opening the drawer whenever because that's where plastic cutlery used to be kept for lunches. We haven't had any cutlery in there in weeks, but they keep looking like some is going to magically appear (the person who had the job before me kept it stocked and I think they are expecting me to do so as well. Um, no - I'm not your damn mommy, get your own shit for your own lunch). One day my purse happened to be open and the troll digging through there started pestering me for some gum I had in there. How fucking rude - you want to dig through my purse, too and see if there's anything else in there you'd like?? I keep my debit cards in my car when I'm in the building now.

If I were in your situation, I'd be desperately tempted to wander around the house naked. I'm shy with body issues, but the daring side of me might just go for it anyway...

I have a similar problem in the place I am temporarily staying, which has gone on way too long due to things I cannot control, and I kind of just live in the dark because I keep the blinds closed most of the time. It sucks, but I'm not a zoo animal to be stared at. I even got some privacy film to put on the little window on the entrance door, because people stare in when they come up to the door to ring the bell.

Privacy film is expensive but it does the job and clear shelf liner which is frosted after it is applied, can be used as a substitute even if it is ugly. Hell I'd put a blanket or plastic trash bags in the windows if I had nothing else, because no one needs to be on display in their own home.

Your condo place sucks to have taken your fence and screen away. Hope you can soon find a nice private place to live.

Thanks, guys, for all your responses. I'm feeling a little better today, but every time I think about what's going on here, I get so damned angry.

When I first moved here, it seemed like an OK place to live, and I figured they would repair the issues once they learned that I'm a great tenant...oh what a dummy I was! The last place I lived in was more relaxed about privacy screens, as I had one on my patio, and any repairs that had to be done were done immediately and without question.

I lived in an apartment, and thought moving to a townhouse would be a step up. I had NO idea that the management here were so lax and they would allow their tenants to be put in harm's way.

We've had several people, tenants and others, staring into our yard and scoping out the house since the fences were replaced. I am always living in fear that someone will break into my patio.

The next place we live in will have a large, high fence all the way around, and a locked gate at the front. Breeders and their curious brats can go and bug someone else.

How would that moo have liked it if I were to have stared into her unit like that while she was trying to fix dinner or while she was watching TV with her feral he-spawn? She would have probably told me to fuck off. I have better manners than that, though.

Not only that, but she's teaching them to become peeping-toms. Way to go there, moo!

Avoid HOA's

Privacy film
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Home-Fashion-Non-Adhesive-6-5-Feet/dp/B007RCX088

Mirror film - you see out, they see themselves

http://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Window-Film-Wide-Roll/dp/B004S7HPJ0

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Thanks, thom. I don't plan on moving to an HOA. I've heard how bad those things can be. We are moving out to a more rural area where there is a lot of farmland. The nice thing is that the area we are looking at is still relatively close to where my husband works, so it won't be a problem for him.

As for the mirror film, that's a great idea, although I'm scared that if the moos and brats see themselves, they may crack my patio window! Some of the cows here are UGLY.

The trouble is when I open my windows for air. I have a screen door but it pretty much is what it is. Especially when it's hot and I've been cooking, I like to let some air in to cool off the place. I normally keep the curtains closed, but Mr. M6 gets a bit claustrophobic with those closed so he prefers them open when he's home.

If we alter our patio window or patio in any way, the property manager will be on us like a pit bull on a poodle. She is already focused on us and for some reason seems to think we are problem tenants, even though the caretaker loves us and I keep a beautiful home here. I've never even met the bitch and I hate her guts. I've never been evicted from a place, and don't plan to be, either...even if we are buying. I don't want the trouble, because it may take us a little time to find the right place and move in. Let's just say that we have already started packing and moving our shit into a storage area. We are THAT eager to GTFO of here.

M6, I hope you don't mind if I gripe about my new neighbors, maybe it will take your mind off?

You like ghost stories ~ don't you ~

I just got thousands of new neighbors. And they're dead ~

http://wgntv.com/2015/06/26/excavation-underway-at-nw-side-cemetery-thousands-of-bodies-could-be-unearthed/

I saw this on TV, I was like - OMGWTFBBQ??!!

I don't live too far away from this.

Are there skeletons in my back yard?

Insane asylum?

:goggle

They're all right under there? Right under the streets and stuff? Oooo ~

WHAT THE FUCK?

What about 'here'? It's right close by.

OMG - we had an EQ here - ah, last year? It was pretty strong, like a '4 or 5'. Could you imagine what might come crashing through your basement floor? Ooooo it's like Poltergeist!

What about flooding? A regular occurrence. OMFG LOL there's this neighbor guy, he's reeeeeely skinny and looks like Charlie Manson, lol. He's a nice guy. But if it was dark and rainy and flooded - how can you know? Is it a skeleton floating in the flood waters, or Bob? That's his name, seriously. HA.

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One day my purse happened to be open and the troll digging through there started pestering me for some gum I had in there. How fucking rude - you want to dig through my purse, too and see if there's anything else in there you'd like?? I keep my debit cards in my car when I'm in the building now.

If I were in your situation, I'd be desperately tempted to wander around the house naked. I'm shy with body issues, but the daring side of me might just go for it anyway...

That has NOTHING to do with being very private. It is just courtesy (and lawful) to not dig through someone else's purse! What a crazy bitch!

Zzelda, that shit is right up my alley!

I don't think I'd want to be living it, but I love everything to do with the paranormal! I don't think I'd be too keen on finding a skeleton floating in my basement though. 2

Glad you are leaving. Hopefully they'll add another breeder to their ranks soon and they can all gleefully stare at each other from outside their townhouses with their drooling crotch monsters.

I was taught not to stare at people within their house or car either. Staring at people for any reason wasn't acceptable. The positive side is that manners are so woefully lacking in society that anyone showing a degree of decorum or class is a stand out.

What is annoying are when little shitstains turn around in the backseat of a car and stare. Their parents NEVER tell them to stop staring either. They'll stare until one of us turns or switches lanes, thereby breaking the stare-nection.

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Zzelda
M6, I hope you don't mind if I gripe about my new neighbors, maybe it will take your mind off?

You like ghost stories ~ don't you ~

I just got thousands of new neighbors. And they're dead ~

http://wgntv.com/2015/06/26/excavation-underway-at-nw-side-cemetery-thousands-of-bodies-could-be-unearthed/

I saw this on TV, I was like - OMGWTFBBQ??!!

I don't live too far away from this.

Are there skeletons in my back yard?

Insane asylum?

:goggle

They're all right under there? Right under the streets and stuff? Oooo ~

WHAT THE FUCK?

What about 'here'? It's right close by.

OMG - we had an EQ here - ah, last year? It was pretty strong, like a '4 or 5'. Could you imagine what might come crashing through your basement floor? Ooooo it's like Poltergeist!

What about flooding? A regular occurrence. OMFG LOL there's this neighbor guy, he's reeeeeely skinny and looks like Charlie Manson, lol. He's a nice guy. But if it was dark and rainy and flooded - how can you know? Is it a skeleton floating in the flood waters, or Bob? That's his name, seriously. HA.

If I lived there I'd milk for all it is worth. Tell any nearby parent all about the retched ghosts and what a blight on the neighborhood. Or, take the living near all the ghosts is great fun for so many reasons approach, which I'd list out. Make it sound dangerous and as un-kydd friendly as possible. That will keep crotch monkees away!

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stillwaters
If I were in your situation, I'd be desperately tempted to wander around the house naked. I'm shy with body issues, but the daring side of me might just go for it anyway...

I mentioned your idea to Mr. M6 tonight.

He said no way his wife will do that, but he'd gladly oblige.

My home of almost three years is located in a community with most houses facing the street, but having common shared green space / parkland at the back of your property.
There is also a walking path ringing the edge of the division between private property and public space.

Over time, I got very fed up with breeders and kids walking through my property instead of sticking to the public path and park regions.
It was especially galling when it happened multiple times a day or they would cut in close and were frankly assessing either my body or my outdoor property (ie tools, outdoor furniture, plants, etc)

I have slowly built a self- defense perimeter of a tidy shed, raised gardens, large gardens, border gardens, etc.
It has been 100% effective in deterring breeders walking way too close to my home and through my property.

I would rather live with ghosts than to have brats as neighbors. As much as I miss the convenience of my old apartment (it was in the ghetto but it was mine) I don't miss the brats. For the most part, they didn't bother me but the second they saw Eidan it was a nightmare. It finally got to the point that she wouldn't hang out in the window anymore because they would run up and bang on the window where she was. I can only guess they had never seen an all white cat with pink ears but still eyes2.

Good luck on your house hunting and I hope you find something soon!

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When I first moved here, it seemed like an OK place to live, and I figured they would repair the issues once they learned that I'm a great tenant...oh what a dummy I was!

They were probably glad they got a person who would do no more damage and figured that what was broke could be lived with.

Sucks to be them. They'll surely notice the difference when the next tenants start to trash the place further.

Seems weird that whoever owns the complex doesn't realize the fact that apartment/townhouse demand is expected to climb. The Millenials can't afford houses right now and are a group that is pegged largely as urban dwellers anyway, while the aging Baby Boomers are downsizing from houses and yards to multi-dwelling facilities. This article explains the trend concisely

I suppose the developer could downgrade the complex to Section 8 housing. They'll be assured of rent from gov't vouchers from all the single mothers with multi baby daddies, but the place will rapidly become an unsafe environment.

Sending good vibes on finding a country place. That's been our choice since the 90s and it's a great environment, especially if you demand privacy.

I was also going to suggest walking around naked, dancing naked, masturbating and/or having kinky sex in the middle of the living room, cover yourself in fake blood and stand in the window holding a knife, maybe put on the sickest/creepiest movie and/or nastiest porno you can find and face the TV/monitor out the window... you know, just generally put on a show. If the fuckers are going to stare through your windows like little assholes, then give them something to look at. I'm sure Moo would be screeching bloody murder about how you're corrupting her brats, but people are entitled to a little privacy in their own homes.

Also, maybe you and Mr. M6 can go find an old crummy love seat on someone's curb that's free, set it up outside your breeder neighbor's house/window, and sit down with some popcorn and stare right back in at them. Put them on display and make them uncomfortable. Alas, since breeders and their brats are total morons, the lesson would go right over the breeder's empty head, but it'd be fun to try anyway before moving out.

Anyway, best of luck with finding a new home in the country. Living out in the sticks can be both a blessing and a curse, in my experience. The silence and privacy are fantastic, but it can also suck being many miles away from things like the post office or grocery stores and dealing with possibly never having your road plowed in the winter.

Wow.

I am really sorry to hear that, Mumofsixbirds. Yep, sounds like it is time to move - good luck with the house hunt and of course peace, quiet, and privacy.

Thanks for the well-wishes and ideas, guys! Cambion, some of your suggestions are a stitch, but I'm planning on keeping a low profile here until I leave. I think it's easier on my anxiety that way.

Husband has put a huge pile of big plants against the fence, which doesn't give a whole lot of privacy, but at least will discourage anyone from trying to hop our fence and try to break in. If they try, they'll likely break their leg instead.

Because it's hot out, we've had shrieking brats everywhere, soaking themselves down with hoses and water guns. I'm so glad that I'm getting the hell out of here. It's become breederland. I fuckin' hate it.

Any sexual act or general nakedness in front of a window where brats and their breeders can see could get you arrested and charged with any number of sexual offenses, depending on your state/province. Unfortunately, the general attitude to the problem of people invading your privacy and being Peeping Toms is that the onus is on you to alter your life and housing setup so people can't look in.

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if you've got a garden, why don't you get the smelliest manure you can get your hands on, and lay it down THICK at the boarders, I mean it wont smell pretty if you have to have windows open for air flow, but it will stop people from wanting to stop outside your house.

The irony here to me is that if Mr. & Mrs. M06 were to give the breeder neighbour moo a taste of her own medicine, and stand outside the moo's window staring in, even if you're standing out in the street, she'd run to building management and the police too, claiming you're both predatory pervs who are after her kyds. eyes2:crz

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Anyway, best of luck with finding a new home in the country. Living out in the sticks can be both a blessing and a curse, in my experience. The silence and privacy are fantastic, but it can also suck being many miles away from things like the post office or grocery stores and dealing with possibly never having your road plowed in the winter.

Good points.

Country dwellers have to better organized and plan things, otherwise expenses skyrocket. We've developed a habit of buying in bulk - paper towels, TP, non-perishable food, dog food ... It cuts down on shopping trips and saves gas.

Another downside depends on the area. Zoning. Where we live, there isn't any "official" zoning. In the last decade or so, people selling land have begun creating deed restrictions, dictating what can be put on the land before they'll allow anyone to buy it. Before that tactic became popular (which I suspect has been dictated by realtors who want to drive up the value of property) streets could have a mix of McMansions and trashy trailers.

Friendliness is no longer a common trait of country folk, but I have noticed that when bad stuff happens - like the ice storm that dropped trees on our road and blocked everyone in, those who had the means to cut the trees up got out and helped. It was basic survival. We knew the town maintenance wouldn't get out our way until all the close in roads were cleared, so it was up to us to get ourselves out.

Dh and I are getting to the point that we really don't want to deal with the work of keeping up a big piece of land, but I dread the thought of what life might be like in an area with more conveniences but also more crowded.