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sorry, but I disagree with the apparently pervasive-here anti-immigrant opinions. I really do not believe that most immigrants come here or to the white European majority countries with the express intent to leech off welfare and breed wildly. For one thing, most immigrants I have known want to work and WILL work harder than most native Americans at almost anything, and for long hours. Also there are major restrictions to immigrants getting welfare or social security. Many come here to work, earn money to improve their home country/family situation, and return home to live and run businesses there, forfeiting all the taxes they have paid (yes, they have) to the US treasury.
Most immigrants I have known are fleeing hopeless poverty or war situations and/or seeking educations with more prestige and earning power than they can get in their home. In that respect, due to the current situations, they are financially propping up many small independent colleges. As we know, the social restrictions for many groups in 2nd or 3rd world countries are can be very bad. One Asian woman I knew was considered unmarriageable in her country because she was born with a bent pinky finger! She had considered suicide before she moved to the US, because she felt so damaged.This is just a small story of quite a few I have of why people come here and what they go through to stay. Some people or immigrant groups ARE big breeders, but many adopt our smaller family standards and are not . We , shamefully, have loads of trashy people/social groups who are born here who are indiscriminate breeders.
I assume I will catch flak for this opinion--just saying
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I am not opposed to all forms of limited immigration, and I don't care about skin color or religion. What I care more about are values and what a person actually brings to my country.
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I haven't seen open borders lead to anything but chaos in Europe and we don't need that kind of chaos here.
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But a lot of the fuckwits in both the US are native-born. Those Christian Taliban types who seem extremely keen setting up a Christian theocracy and eliminating abortion rights aren't immigrants.
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But a lot of the fuckwits in both the US are native-born. Those Christian Taliban types who seem extremely keen setting up a Christian theocracy and eliminating abortion rights aren't immigrants.
Clearly the majority of Muslims do not partake in extremism. What concerns me is the silence among Muslim leaders to condemn extremism, and among Muslims themselves (as a whole) to condemn such acts.
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But a lot of the fuckwits in both the US are native-born. Those Christian Taliban types who seem extremely keen setting up a Christian theocracy and eliminating abortion rights aren't immigrants.
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Then you must've missed the massive march against Isis by millions of Muslims last November.
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I think that most states will get rid of legal abortion when the SC gets to R. vs. W. I have relatives in Canada who hate Justin Trudeau, the guy is a real pain when it come to letting in dangerous foreigners and endless welfare, but he would never touch abortion. They hate him for the "letting in the foreigners" thing and I think that after a while when enough Muslims get to live there with the free healthcare and their habit of driving trucks into buildings Canadians may vote a Trump like guy in who will go after abortion. People will go for this because the "breeding war" thing is in a lot of people when faced with increasing numbers of foreigners especially dangerous ones. Of course there seems to be a Muslim problem in Holland and they are still liberal.
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I think that most states will get rid of legal abortion when the SC gets to R. vs. W. I have relatives in Canada who hate Justin Trudeau, the guy is a real pain when it come to letting in dangerous foreigners and endless welfare, but he would never touch abortion. They hate him for the "letting in the foreigners" thing and I think that after a while when enough Muslims get to live there with the free healthcare and their habit of driving trucks into buildings Canadians may vote a Trump like guy in who will go after abortion. People will go for this because the "breeding war" thing is in a lot of people when faced with increasing numbers of foreigners especially dangerous ones. Of course there seems to be a Muslim problem in Holland and they are still liberal.
Uhh, do you have any evidence about this "Muslim problem"? And what exactly is this "Muslim problem" in Holland? Too many Muslims? Poorly integrated Muslims? Or just Muslims being there in general?
Muslims do not have a habit of driving trucks into buildings. Extremists do, but not your average Muslim who minds their own business and has nothing to do with extremism.
I think you'll find that despite the presence of "dangerous foreigners" here in Europe we have largely remained liberal because, you know, we're decent and reasonable human beings. The uneducated BS I see from Americans about Europe just boils my piss I'm afraid. We aren't living in chaos like someone else suggested, we're just fine thanks. Unfortunately there's bad apples everywhere, both home grown and otherwise. Are we to decide we hate everyone with a brown face because a few of them have done some bad things? No, in the same way that people of colour wouldn't brand every white personal a racist or a Nazi.
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Uhh, do you have any evidence about this "Muslim problem"? And what exactly is this "Muslim problem" in Holland? Too many Muslims? Poorly integrated Muslims? Or just Muslims being there in general?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/07/terrorism.religion
The murder that shattered the idea of liberalism in Holland, Theo Van Gogh's great grand son
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I'm not American, but I've spent a lot of time over there and I know full well Muslims aren't the only community getting a renewed barrage of hate - it's the Latinx community, black community, anyone non-white, so to say it has nothing to do with skin colour is naive. We've been "othering" non-white people since even before the days of slavery and segregation.
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