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StudioFiftyFour
In a worst case scenario someone who sought out an abortion may have to travel to a nearby state to have the procedure performed. Inconvenient, yes, but not impossible.
Re: What the HELL is in the water down here?! March 22, 2018 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,308 |
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yurble
I think that depends very much on income. People who are living hand-to-mouth, on hourly wages, can't really afford to take a few days off work and travel long distance to obtain an abortion.
The same is true with moving to another state. Consider the case of someone who already has a couple of kids (most abortions are obtained by women who already have kids), does unskilled labor, and relies on family members for childcare. People like this tend to be mobile only out of desperation, since moving will generally put them in a worse situation than before.
I think that regardless of what you feel about poor women having reproductive freedom, it is overall socially advantageous if unwanted children aren't born. Not only are they going to be a further drain on social systems, unwanted children are also more likely to become criminals when they are older (pretty sure there was a study from Romania on this).
Re: What the HELL is in the water down here?! March 22, 2018 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 12,432 |
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StudioFiftyFour
The best outcome is a combination of states' rights when it comes to abortion, and federally subsidized no-cost birth control for all poor people. This would give the states the sovereignty that they want, it would give abortion advocates rights that were codified into law on a state-by-state basis, and it would give a lifeline to low income people who wanted to escape the cycle of poverty. In the long-term these ideas could save taxpayers money as well, which is in my estimation paramount for any set of social policies.
Re: What the HELL is in the water down here?! March 22, 2018 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,308 |
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That doesn't work for me because birth control isn't 100%, even in a situation where user errors is not a factor (e.g., implant, IUD or sterilization), and non-consensual sex may not allow a person the opportunity to use contraceptives. As a CF woman, I think being forced to bear a child as one of the most wretched things I can imagine, a form of pure torture, and it's not something I want anyone to have to undergo.
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I am very interested in what "deep blue states" are in line for total bankruptcy.
California is running a surplus and the two I know of that are having to fire teachers and other necessary personnel are Republican Strangleholds Kansas and Oklahoma. Then of course my own blood red Kentucky which is over a billion dollars from funding their own teacher's pensions.
Which blue states are you talking about?