Domestic violence: when kids beat the shit out of Moos.

So I'm watching a situation from afar with an acquaintance's kid. These are two "new age" breeders with the whole gamut of gentle parenting: not saying no--presenting "better choices," gentle discipline and the whole stupid mess. The house is chaotic and unstructured: dinner can be fast food at 9:30 at night. When school is out the kids have no bedtime and it's not unusual for Moo and the kids to sleep past noon for months. No schedules or discipline to speak of.

Anyway one of the boys (because of course these loons have many kids) is starting to have problems. I listen to the dad talk about how the boychild "loses his mind" and "can''t help it when he gets angry" and punches the walls. The kid is seven years old and has an Army of therapists, medications, etc. He's been hospitalized. His latest therapist says he cannot do anything for the kid and when it happens they are to call the police. Yes, folks, this is your tax dollars at work--instead of fighting crime, police resources are expended to deal with parents who cannot deal with their child.

The kid has started hitting his moo in the head and face. The moo so far, not anyone else apparently. He "can't help it," etc. I told DH, in the alternate universe that he had a kid (Thank Todd we are smarter than that) with these behavior problems, a child would hit me in the face one time and I would handle business. I'm bigger than a seven year old kid and they have to sleep sometime. And this is probably an outgrowth of how he has been raised: if you have a three year old who won't respect your authority, it's only going to get worse when the kid is seven. If you don't get that shit under control, Lard help you when the kid is 14 or 16--you are toast. This kid sounds like a budding Adam Lanza.

So here's what I don't get: a man punches a woman and it's domestic violence, but a kid does it and it's okay. I also have lost respect for the manchild/Dud because he's what Dr. Laura calls a limp dick. Never in a million years would my DH stand by and let anyone hit me, whether it be a kid or an adult.

let's take a deep exhale: This Hell will never be my life. And yes, we are the smart ones.

I see a lot of thing over on Smothering.com in the gentle discipline section about violent brats who hit their Moos, sometimes hard enough to draw blood. Imagine getting a split lip from a kindergartner. There is no doubt in my mind that this shit is 100 percent nurture - after years of being raised with no discipline, boundaries or structure, the kids turn into violent, uncontrollable monsters. This is when the parents might start attempting to feebly use discipline, but of course it doesn't work because that's something you have to do from the start to make them accustomed to it. Introducing a child with some sense of independence and personality to sudden rules is going to result in huge outbursts because they don't know how to deal with not getting their own way. It's bad when medication and therapy don't even help. Most doctors can find some kind of a pill to drug a horrible kid into a tolerable stupor.

What in the fuck are the police supposed to do anyway? Even if the kid is deemed a huge danger to himself and to others, the most that might happen is he goes to the ER and then goes right back home. Duh is a fucking milksop for sitting there letting the kid hit his significant other. Why the fuck do parents put up with that crap? I don't care how angry a kid is, a fully grown adult can hit back a lot harder. If someone or something hurts me, my immediate instinct is to hurt them back. Sometimes even when my cats would scratch me, I had to restrain myself from automatically smacking them because I had to remember that they weren't trying to hurt me on purpose. I guarantee you anything if these two morons beat the piss out of that kid every time he acts like a violent shit, his behavior will change real quick. But we all know that won't happen because they seem more interested in being their kids' friends than being their kids' parents, so I would suggest they get themselves some good medical insurance. They'll need it to take care of the increasingly severe injuries they sustain as their child gets older and more violent.

Is the kid in school? God help his teachers if he is. Give it time. Junior doesn't know yet that not everyone will put up with his shit like Moo and Duh do, and one day he's going to hit the wrong person and wind up with a skull fracture.

If, in some alternate universe, that I had a kid and it EVER hit me, it would only happen once. That is all.

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bell_flower
The kid has started hitting his moo in the head and face. The moo so far, not anyone else apparently. He "can't help it," etc.

I feel about this the same way I feel about autistic kids who abuse-- of course he can help it! If he couldn't help it, he'd deck somebody who would clean the floor with him. They only ever attack/abuse people they know damn well won't punch their lights out.

actually got into it with my sil's retard daughter. when she wasn't feeling well, she would just hit her mom. I helped take her to the doc and I tried keeping the fat tard from bum rushing the mom who wouldn't do anything about it. I ended up taking her back to the car. I sat next to her. well, she tried the hitting shit with me. everytime she hit me, I'd hit her in the shoulder. Not hard, just enuf to get her attention. It actually shocked her. After a few exchanges she started crying hysterically and trying to get out of the car. I got out, forced her back in, shut the door and leaned against it. Let her have crying rage in the car. By the time the mom came out she was cried out. turned out the damned tard had chicken pox (due to another stupid moo relative, I told that story somewhere else here). end of encounter. I am no ones punching bag.

two cents ¢¢

CERTIFIED HOSEHEAD!!!

people (especially women) do not give ONE DAMN about what they inflict on children and I defy anyone to prove me wrong

Dysfunctional relationships almost always have a child. The more dysfunctional, the more children.

The selfish wants of adults outweigh the needs of the child.

Some mistakes cannot be fixed, but some mistakes can be 'fixed'.

People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one. Leo J. Burke

Adoption agencies have strict criteria (usually). Breeders, whose combined IQ's would barely hit triple digits, have none.

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Is the kid in school? God help his teachers if he is.

Funny you should mention that. He was previously in private school and the school essentially kicked him out. He kept getting sent home because he wasn't listening and he was hitting people there too. The private school told the parents the public schools would have more resources to deal with him. (Taxpayers taking it up the ass again because of poor parenting.)

When he first got to public school, he initially got all these glowing reviews. I am sure he was the same brat as usual and that translated to: the teacher has 26 other kids to deal with and since many are behavioral problems, it's not as big a deal. But lately that is changing and I think he may be expelled soon.

Teachers cannot do anything to these kids if they want to keep their jobs. Take this teacher who dragged a child down the hall and was fired. This kid was 9 and according to its Moo it suffers from autism, ADHD and PTSD. (Alphabet soup.) I saw the video and thought, okay, so the teacher dragged the kid, she said to remove him from the room and keep him from hurting himself and others. What she did was not great, but it's not as if she was beating the kid. She had to treat him like a toddler because he's a damn nine year old who acts like a toddler. Moo was quoted in the article:

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Nelson concluded, “Also all schools should have more training for teachers to handle children with disabilities and to learn proper protocol to retrain and redirect if needed. There should also be more laws in place for any child, like my son who are abused by the adults we entrust to care for them. The fact that my son is not able to fully verbalize what he went through means that we must fight that much harder for all kids, but especially the kids who cannot speak for themselves

So if a kid is not doing what he's supposed to do and hitting teachers and other kids, you're supposed to "redirect" him or her? I don't blame these teachers for snapping when they have to deal with these hellions all day, hellions who have no fear of authority figures because they have no boundaries at home.

From what I've seen in public schools today, teachers aren't backed up and their hands are tied. It's only when these little shits start hitting other kids that they have to take action. Mainstreaming these kids is putting teachers and other kids in danger.

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bell_flower
So if a kid is not doing what he's supposed to do and hitting teachers and other kids, you're supposed to "redirect" him or her? I don't blame these teachers for snapping when they have to deal with these hellions all day, hellions who have no fear of authority figures because they have no boundaries at home.

From what I've seen in public schools today, teachers aren't backed up and their hands are tied. It's only when these little shits start hitting other kids that they have to take action. Mainstreaming these kids is putting teachers and other kids in danger.

Teachers shouldn't have to teach AND be specialists in handling violent, abusive, nonverbal, out of control brats. If a child is a danger to anyone, they shouldn't be in a public school. Maybe not even in a public place.

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kittehpeoples
I feel about this the same way I feel about autistic kids who abuse-- of course he can help it! If he couldn't help it, he'd deck somebody who would clean the floor with him. They only ever attack/abuse people they know damn well won't punch their lights out.

True dat. Tards and awtards are dumb, but not so dumb that they can't pick their battles. They know better than to go after someone bigger than them because they know they'll get their asses beaten to a pulp. This is why violent tards will go after their parents (generally their mothers), their siblings, teachers, and their smaller or equally-large classmates - those are all easy targets that won't fight back, or if they do, they can be easily overpowered. The most basic animal instinct of preying on those weaker than themselves is still working in their minimally-functioning brains. Funny, I almost NEVER hear stories of slappy tards going after their fathers, probably because most men wouldn't put up with that shit, even if it is coming from their own kids.

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Breeder
“Also all schools should have more training for teachers to handle children with disabilities and to learn proper protocol to retrain and redirect if needed. There should also be more laws in place for any child, like my son who are abused by the adults we entrust to care for them. The fact that my son is not able to fully verbalize what he went through means that we must fight that much harder for all kids, but especially the kids who cannot speak for themselves

Yeah they used to have those - they were called special education teachers and they were specifically trained in how to deal with tards and their horrible behavior. But they're going extinct due to mainstreaming. Instead of heaping even more responsibilities onto already overworked educators, bring back the tard wranglers. Dealing with flaptards is their specialty. How the fuck is a regular teacher supposed to "retrain and redirect" a raging tard when said tard is beating another student to a pulp while keeping themselves and their other students safe? News flash: they can't. Some awtards are so violent that they can't be gently redirected or cooed to. They decide they're gonna fuck shit up and no amount of gentle discipline and hugs is going to get them off the warpath.

What schools need to do is start expelling these tards. Breeders want their brain-dead dumplings held to the same standards as the sane children? Then they can be expelled just like the normal kids when they give some random student a brain hemorrhage because they didn't like the kid's fingernails. They not only get expelled, but blacklisted from that school and all nearby ones. Force the breeders to move to whole new states to try and put their defecto-tards into schools and eventually they'll run out of schools, leaving them with the option of institutionalizing the tard or actually trying to parent them.

Special kids need special schooling. It's not discriminatory or cruel or segregation, it's acknowledging that these kids have different needs compared to their non-retarded peers and putting them in learning environments that cater to those needs. It's no different than putting a highly intelligent child into advanced classes to meet their intellectual needs, and failure to do either one is a failure in parenting. Not to mention the HUGE disservice it does to the normal kids who can't fucking learn because the teacher spends the entire day trying to get Tardley to sit down instead of teaching. Tard breeders don't care because they're just glad to get away from their awtards for a few hours, and they only care when they think they can wring a settlement out of a school district.

Goddamn you couldn't pay me enough to teach these days. I'd belt the first kid that tried to hit me and wind up in jail.

I've seen this with a couple of Jr hi kids over my years of teaching. They range from cursing out parents to physical violence. We had one hot mess of an eighth grader who thought it was his singular mission to tag up the school with label stickers he stole from the post office. When the moo was confronted with this she was in total denial it was him. He put his tag on it!! Graffiti tags are like signatures. This is why cops keep databases of graffiti tags. When he failed everything and was required to attend summer school. Of course he didn't show up. Two weeks into the summer term his mom called the school wondering what her hot mess could do. When she was told he'd have to repeat the 8th grade she said she'd promised him he could go to baseball camp and threatened to trash her house and beat her up.
A few years later in relating this story to some of my more lucid 8th graders and they said they know him from the neighborhood because he smacks his mom around in public. Last I heard he had put her in the hospital and an he did a short sting for assault.
Just rolling my eyes at my mom would have caught me holy hell! My mom taught us the meaning of RESPECT.

My state has finally got a clue about this and re-instated special ed schools for kids with "behavioral and oppositional disorders." They've also taken the choice away for the parrunts to override the school's decision to relocate their hot messes. These teachers have special training and a lot of them are ex-military. As a result, order has been restored and the overall climate and academic successes of the mainstream schools is on the rise. And most important, these hot messes and the idiots who created them know their antics won't be tolerated and the borderline messes toe the line.

I predict that won't last, sadly. The parents will sue or something to get their kids mainstreamed

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gracieallen
My state has finally got a clue about this and re-instated special ed schools for kids with "behavioral and oppositional disorders." They've also taken the choice away for the parrunts to override the school's decision to relocate their hot messes. These teachers have special training and a lot of them are ex-military. As a result, order has been restored and the overall climate and academic successes of the mainstream schools is on the rise. And most important, these hot messes and the idiots who created them know their antics won't be tolerated and the borderline messes toe the line.

Sounds like your state has a great idea. Parunts who don't like it can seek other options or move.

Ugh. It's a parent's responsibility--legally & morally--to ensure that their parenting techniques are working to create well-behaved upright citizens. If they're NOT working, it's on them to do something else. Not the schools or police. You don't have the luxury of just following whatever parenting trend "feels right," is easy or instinctively matches your inner mantra.

When you reproduce, you sign an implicit social contract to keep your kids in line & protect them from danger. Failing to do so should result in YOU going to jail or facing other legal consequences. A minor child in your care is your responsibility, period. They're kids & don't know anything other than what they're taught. If they're acting out, something you're doing isn't working & you need to change it ASAP. That doesn't mean you have to beat them with belts or other objects but you do need to provide discipline that works along with positive reinforcement when they do well. If your kids are hitting you or each other, they don't respect your rules one iota.

It's not the police's job to do your parenting for you. And fuck those abusive camps & ranches where teens go to labor & be exploited. You shouldn't have the option of "sending your kid away" & farming the problem out to someone else. Parenting is a full-time responsibility. If you aren't up for the task, don't breed.

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