Iraqi vet claim hot car death really was an accident July 29, 2019 | Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 2,059 |
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yurble
For fuck's sake, there's another solution to this problem which is significantly cheaper: start charging everyone whose kid dies in a hot car with manslaughter or murder. Sure, it will cost a bit to prosecute and imprison the first few, but once this becomes routine you can be damn sure the number of deaths will diminish. Regretful breeders will move on to new methods of murder that aren't prosecuted.
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mumofsixbirds
Yeah, I dunno about PTSD causing him to roast his kid in a car. I suffer with what I would consider a mild form of PTSD from being a victim of violent crime in my childhood and I understand that PTSD can affect different people different ways.
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mumofsixbirds
I'm thinking that this may be a convenient excuse which can garner sympathy and leniency in the court system. I do know that sometimes 'temporary insanity' can be used in court, but it's rarely successful unless it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Re: Iraqi vet claim hot car death really was an accident August 01, 2019 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,825 |
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mumofsixbirds
Yeah, I dunno about PTSD causing him to roast his kid in a car. I suffer with what I would consider a mild form of PTSD from being a victim of violent crime in my childhood and I understand that PTSD can affect different people different ways.
I definitely didn't mean to imply anyone having PTSD isn't able to be around kids or pets. Sorry if I gave that impression mumofsixbirds.
So, he either had a crappy analysis (or no analysis) or someone threw out PTSD as an excuse. If it turns out he was diagnosed with PTSD and they can prove this accident was a result of that and he wasn't warned to avoid children then it might be blamed on the person who diagnosed him. I think the odds are against this.Quote
mumofsixbirds
I'm thinking that this may be a convenient excuse which can garner sympathy and leniency in the court system. I do know that sometimes 'temporary insanity' can be used in court, but it's rarely successful unless it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Agree this is the most likely scenario. I've also heard that an "insanity plea" no longer works and that places that house the insane are every bit as violent and bad as prisons.
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bell_flower
1. When he went to his car and supposedly "found" his children, he was yelling "it's not my fault" at the scene. I found that a VERY ODD thing to say. And also, these are YOUR crotch fruit and they are in YOUR CAR....who else would be at fault?
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selidororous
I have to wonder if the judge asked this guy if he remembered his fucking cellphone in the car. My guess is, the judge did not ask him any such thing.
I agree that these people need to be charged with manslaughter.
There was no such thing as hot-car deaths when I was a kid in the 1970's.
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Oh good! This makes sense. So if this man does have PTSD then he would likely be "hypervigilant" and he certainly wasn't. For him it is sounding more like a manufactured excuse all the time and that only hurts the perception of people who have PTSD.Quote
mumofsixbirds
Oh, absolutely. I didn't even equate what you mentioned to what I said below. No worries there.
I also forgot to mention that with a lot of people who suffer with PTSD, they are what's called "hypervigilant" which would prevent them from doing something like this. I'm hypervigilant about a lot of things, especially where my safety, as well as my pets' safety is always at the forefront of my mind.
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bell_flower
I don't know if any of you guys saw this, but this dude gave a very staged performance on U.S. National news last night. It was completely infuriating.
For loudly proclaiming his innocence, this guy should be on a stage somewhere clutching an Oscar--he is really pulling/playing the parental victim card. When he appeared in court, he was carrying around his older, un-murdered chyld, sobbing for the cameras for maximum effect. He and his wife were both doing that faux, no-tears sobbing crap. And the story said these morons are unabashedly asking for all car manufactures to install warning systems at $5,000 each to prevent Fyooooture Tragedies of this nature.
I'm sorry to report the latest--the NY prosecutor has declared the decision whether to prosecute is "on hold." WTH does that even mean? I'm hoping it does not mean what I think it means--that they are waiting until some other big news day, like a mass shooting, to quietly announce no prosecution because they have Suffered EnoughTM.
There is a lot that is suspicious about this:
1. When he went to his car and supposedly "found" his children, he was yelling "it's not my fault" at the scene. I found that a VERY ODD thing to say. And also, these are YOUR crotch fruit and they are in YOUR CAR....who else would be at fault? I do believe that these situations can be a result of true forgetfulness because we humans have imperfect brains. It has happened to me before--I had cats in carriers in my car and missed the exit to the vet, was on autopilot going to work. HOWEVER, I would not have forgot them because I deliberately put my work back there with them. The "forgotten chyld syndrome" is not new. It's ALL OVER THE PRESS NOW. ANYONE who is transporting something alive must take appropriate precautions, so I do not cut this parunt any break. He needs to be prosecuted.
2. There were TWO of these crotch fruit in the back of the car and they were a YEAR OLD. What is the likelihood that both of them were asleep? Plus don't kids that age babble? I cannot believe they were not making noise and he could have forgot them.
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freya
Oh good! This makes sense. So if this man does have PTSD then he would likely be "hypervigilant" and he certainly wasn't. For him it is sounding more like a manufactured excuse all the time and that only hurts the perception of people who have PTSD.
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freya
Everyone must pay a penalty for a stoopid parent. How about stoopid parents having the OPTION to purchase an application for their phone, door device or similar solution that takes care of this issue instead of making society at large pay?
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cfdavep
https://www.yahoo.com/news/attorney-dropping-charges-against-dad-192759622.html
The duh's lawyer is filing to have charges dropped as duh says that if they are dropped the famblee totally promises to start a GoFundMe type fund to "raise awareness" about hot car deaths, I mean murders.
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cfdavep
https://www.yahoo.com/news/attorney-dropping-charges-against-dad-192759622.html
The duh's lawyer is filing to have charges dropped as duh says that if they are dropped the famblee totally promises to start a GoFundMe type fund to "raise awareness" about hot car deaths, I mean murders.
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