Parunts supporting their young adult brats now normal

This is a great cautionary tale but is nothing new. Parunts can expect to support their brats up until their mid-twenties in most instances. Another great reason not to overpopulate the earth.

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Our kids now face monthly rent payments that can be more than 50 percent of their take-home pay.

This isn't anything new and many people live this way for most or all of their lives. It is definitely common in younger people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/let-adult-children-fend-for-themselves-that-s-outdated-in-today-s-economy/ar-AA123kWg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9442b79917f3475ba0d2822b0a6f09b9

Do young adults today not have roommates? Or is it now like, well I can't afford to live the way I want all by myself in my own apartment/house, so (throws up hands) I guess I'll just live with my parents forever. I lived in some dumps in my 20's but that is what I had to do to get ahead.

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Soon enough, they will age out and be on their own. But having gap years between you carrying them and their paying all of their health-care costs can make the difference in them amassing a significant amount of money in an emergency fund and retirement account.

Do we really think that that's going to be what happens with the money they're supposedly saving while living at home? Come on.

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This is a great cautionary tale but is nothing new. Parunts can expect to support their brats up until their mid-twenties in most instances. Another great reason not to overpopulate the earth.

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Our kids now face monthly rent payments that can be more than 50 percent of their take-home pay.

This isn't anything new and many people live this way for most or all of their lives. It is definitely common in younger people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/let-adult-children-fend-for-themselves-that-s-outdated-in-today-s-economy/ar-AA123kWg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9442b79917f3475ba0d2822b0a6f09b9

That 50% business for rent was true in the 1980s too.

I think the article is saying the Parunts can't afford emergency funds and retirement when they are taking care of adult children/


I understand what they've been saying about ecomony. But, I'm with ya, they seem to be like if "I cant have a full house of at least IKEA furniture by myself in the trendiest area of town, I dont want it" No milkcrates furniture for them like young adults did during other inflation and recessions. They dont have roommates becuz they don't have many real life friends. Answering an ad for a roommate would 'creep' them out.

Many of my pal's are dealing w/ these adults and there's no end in sight. I could tell ya a million stories. But they all have a pretty darn good phone, and laptop and camera, and microphone and whatever else they need to game on discord and twitch. They have the clothes they want. The have the concerts they want and their exotic ethnic food nights out all the time(to prove they think about other cultures). None of them have jobs in their majors even w/ a Masters degree. Is it becuz they can't get a job in their major? Possible, but from what I could tell, they dont seem to look in their majors, just want an ez job to cover 'adolescent' needs of pocket money to go out.

But I said it before, why would they leave, their parents act like friends, and granted they are adults even pushing 30, but I couldnt spend my pocket money and live for free, and have overnight guests of the opposite sex if I lived in my parents' basement. They can do all of this, be an adult w/o the adult responsibilities. I'm waiting for my pals to either keel over of a heart attack or join a retirement community before these adults get out of the basements.

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Do young adults today not have roommates? Or is it now like, well I can't afford to live the way I want all by myself in my own apartment/house, so (throws up hands) I guess I'll just live with my parents forever. I lived in some dumps in my 20's but that is what I had to do to get ahead.

Roommates are not sufficient to help pay rent in most apartments in the USA, unless you want to live in the ghetto in a three sided shack without electricity and running water. I've three roommates, and we pay a total of $1200 for our subsidized home, but for most homes in this area, the rent for a four bedroom dwelling is at minimum $2000 per month. A two-bedroom apartment is at minimum $1500. Two roommates making $12.80 an hour couldn't rent that.

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I'm gonna wager that a lot of these adults don't have roommates for one of two reasons: they don't work (which might be due to actual difficulty finding a job or just special snowflakitis), or they have such a collection of real and/or imagined mental disorders that living with someone else and learning how to make compromises as a roommate is too triggering for them (or nobody wants to room with a grown-ass flaptard).

It seems to be the needle in a haystack now for an adult to actually leave home and become independent, but it doesn't help that it's becoming harder and harder to even live with roommates. Rent is sky-high even for total shitholes, everything costs more, more people are fucked in the head and may be too dangerous to live with, and jobs don't pay nearly enough. But parents also make it very comfortable for their adult children to live home indefinitely, starting in childhood giving them whatever they want and never expecting them to do anything. Then they wonder why their 39-year-old bouncing baby boy won't get a job. Well why would he? He's comfortable and has all his needs met.

A vast majority of people I know in their 20s and 30s still live at home, myself included. It's not by choice or due to financial irresponsibility - I just can't afford to live on my own and pay my student loans, and this is the case for several of the folks I know in the same boat. I keep hoping this student debt relief extends to private debt so I can have my own place, because I could swing it on my income. I just can't with $560 a month immediately going to those cocksuckers at Navient.

I got very lucky with the current crop of roommates I live with. Even though this house is subsidized by a mental health clinic, while we all have diagnoses, there are no crazies in the house.

I wasn't always this lucky, as one roommate I had tried to kill me. No, I'm not being dramatic, as the hospital ER doctor agreed, and after I gave the name of this roommate, the hospital got that woman taken from the apartment. What she did was overdosed me on speed, by slipping it in my food. In the ER, I was given a butt full of sedatives to counteract the speed.

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some of these mentally ill require institutionalization. sadly not that accessible anymore. the only other option is prison and then the boo hoo goody two-shoes come out and whine about how they can't get treatment..

anyone watch netflix series on jeffrey dahmer? what a fucking nutzoid creep. and I think both gonad donors were batshit as well. but at one point his idiot duh was talking about treatment. what the bloody fuck for? this bastard was unsalvageable ... and a waste of resources...

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CERTIFIED HOSEHEAD!!!

people (especially women) do not give ONE DAMN about what they inflict on children and I defy anyone to prove me wrong

Dysfunctional relationships almost always have a child. The more dysfunctional, the more children.

The selfish wants of adults outweigh the needs of the child.

Some mistakes cannot be fixed, but some mistakes can be 'fixed'.

People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one. Leo J. Burke

Adoption agencies have strict criteria (usually). Breeders, whose combined IQ's would barely hit triple digits, have none.

I saw a video of UC Berkeley students returning to school. There are tons of trendy places to eat just off campus. The many restaurants were OVERFILLED with students and this walk was around all the surrounding streets. It was very obvious this is a commonplace practice and those restaurants likely exist because of the student population. Of course they're all on their phones while eating.

I had those trendy places near my college too, and I think I shopped at them about twice a year on average and window shopped a bit more. I can recall all the times I ate in a restaurant in college because they were so momentous and rare. I can also recall the amount of times I had coffee at a coffeehouse (there was one in a trendy place just off campus which I didn't even know of until my senior year during a study session), went out to a club or had a drink at a bar, but I paid for my own stuff-so maybe that is the difference!

If an adult brat expects to eat trendy restaurant food then good luck ever affording their own place. I've heard of adults (mostly single men) spending thousands of dollars a month on eating out. And if their eating standards are this high, of course they'll only live rent-free with their parunts, nothing else is good enough.

I also just think things are getting so expensive that is is well nigh impossible to have ones own place. In some houses with decent people, parents and offspring, it may work well. but for those who can't get out it is hell

off topic, we just had a fdny paramedic murdered by the fucking neighborhood mental near where she worked. all she was doing was getting lunch for everyone. and guess what, the fucking mental knew to run and barricade himself wherever. they talked him out. bloody hell with that I would have tossed a few bang and gas grenades in and shot him when he came out...otherwise go in and shoot the motherfucker

two cents ¢¢

CERTIFIED HOSEHEAD!!!

people (especially women) do not give ONE DAMN about what they inflict on children and I defy anyone to prove me wrong

Dysfunctional relationships almost always have a child. The more dysfunctional, the more children.

The selfish wants of adults outweigh the needs of the child.

Some mistakes cannot be fixed, but some mistakes can be 'fixed'.

People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one. Leo J. Burke

Adoption agencies have strict criteria (usually). Breeders, whose combined IQ's would barely hit triple digits, have none.

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off topic, we just had a fdny paramedic murdered by the fucking neighborhood mental near where she worked. all she was doing was getting lunch for everyone. and guess what, the fucking mental knew to run and barricade himself wherever. they talked him out. bloody hell with that I would have tossed a few bang and gas grenades in and shot him when he came out...otherwise go in and shoot the motherfucker

Paramedics work their asses off, this is sad. Hope the mental is being put away permanently, it shouldn't come to this.

We've had issues with the fire department (who are attempting to put out fires) and are being harassed and hurt by the homeless people who started the fires. They're getting police escorts because it has become so bad. That is a tough-ass job and the fire department isn't there to harass anyone.

Where I live, apartments are advertised and priced for "2 working professionals, for example a couple where one is a lawyer and the other is a doctor or Wall St. type." 1 or 2 bedrooms go for several thousand each month, which is more than my monthly mortgage. Last spring I saw a 2 bedroom near me advertised for $3000/month, not including utilities (water, electric, gas, etc). Landlords also demand several years of back taxes to prove high income requirements and run a full background report and credit check before agreeing to rent to a prospective tenant.

With these types of situations, who can afford to rent? In my area, landlords are also increasing rents up to 30% in one year, to recover ASAP what they lost during covid. It's just insane.

My niece and her husband are looking to buy a house and while both are gainfully empoyed with good jobs, there's nothing they can afford near the family.

I think young people are living at home because with the cost of rent, student loans, and healh care, they can't afford even a studio apartment. I can't judge them, I lived with my parents throughout my 20's and 30's to save money (which I did!) and because of low salaries and high rents in my region. And this is an area with high education levels and decent jobs.

Just for fun, I looked up my old apartment complex. I also looked up the salary scale at my former employer (a public school district, so the info is publicly available).

From 2009 until now, the price on the exact apartment I lived in went up $600/month, or $7200/year. A 2022 teacher on the same step I was on in 2009 is making roughly $6000/year more than I did. And that’s gross, not net. They're not taking that entire $6000 increase home, but they are paying that entire $7200 increase in rent.

This math ain’t adding up.

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Even in Podunkville, USA where I am, apartments are stupidly priced compared to salaries. The biggest issue I have is exactly NO ONE rents to pet owners. That burns my ass more than anything because it basically means you have to be a homeowner to be a pet owner, and the animal shelters around here are always overflowing. I bet they wouldn't be if more people could adopt pets.

Another thing I hate is there are TONS of income-based apartments exclusively for seniors. Don't get me wrong, I know older folks need somewhere to live too, but how's about some goddamn income-based apartments for people below the age of 65? We're all on fixed incomes in this area, not just the old fucks.

As far as cost, the absolute cheapest you can get is about $500 a month for a one-bedroom, but I've seen prices that are $1200+ a month. This is an area where, unless you work for the one single factory in town (which pays upwards of $25 an hour, but has high employee turnover), you're likely making minimum wage because most of the employers are restaurants, fast food outlets, gas stations and retail stores. I know rent under $1000 a month sounds great, but minimum wage in my state is still $7.25 an hour. Nobody's affording living expenses and rent/utilities on seven bucks an hour by themselves!

Paired with massive student debt, medical debt and any other bills that need paying, it can be damn near impossible to afford basic living expenses. All it will take most times is one unexpected expense - an ER trip, car repairs, vet bills, etc. - to cause enough of a financial domino effect to make someone unable to pay their rent and have to go crawling back home.

This happened with a co-worker's roommate - when student loan payments were halted at the beginning of the pandemic, she could afford to live in an apartment with a roommate. Once those bills started coming due again, she could no longer afford rent and had to move back in with her parents, meaning my co-worker also had to move back in with her parents because she couldn't afford the place on her own on what my workplace pays.

I feel like in order to be able to just squeak by, you have to go twelvsies on a house with eleven other people (or lie to a landlord about the number of occupants and cram a dozen people into a one-bedroom). Then you hear bawwwwwww nobody wants to buy houses no more! Because nobody got houses money, that's why.

I guess I'm somewhat sympathetic to younger people because I do think housing has gotten more difficult. And it isn't just younger people who are feeling the pinch, it is also older people on fixed incomes, and single-income households. The fact that I'm observing this difficulty across so many demographics makes me think that it isn't necessarily about being spoiled.

But even if it were, is it spoiled to not want to have roommates? I know I would hate to have them, and that was even before covid - now I'd also be worried about being exposed to the disease du jour because of a roommate's lifestyle. I've had good roommates and horrible roommates and the horrible ones can really make you miserable. It ends up not being much of a money-saver when you have roommates who cause property damage, steal your food, and don't pay their share of the rent - and the stress of dealing with them makes you avoid being home so what are you paying for? In my opinion, it's not unreasonable to suggest that the relationship between work and housing prices should be such that someone working full-time is able to afford a place to themselves. Not necessarily a big place, not necessarily a nicely furnished place, and not necessarily with lots of disposable income afterwards, but a place where their life isn't at risk and minimum housing standards are met.

But this type of housing isn't being created. In another thread there was a discussion about neighborhoods not being good for small households: CF couples, singles, etc. When I look at what's being built in my neighborhood, all the 2-bedroom homes are being torn down to make way for massive duplexes. Further out of town, the only thing they build are McMansions. All of this urban sprawl makes little sense at a time when gas prices are high and we know about the effects of driving everywhere on the environment. But there's no incentive to build high-density mixed use (e.g., shops nearby) housing appropriate for a single person. Single people and couples aren't demographics that governments care about, because it is always about "families".

Even if you do manage to find a rare studio apartment, it is generally so badly designed that it feels more like a prison cell than a home. Decent high-density housing is possible. In Japan and Korea, I stayed with friends who had small studio apartments - about 15 square meters - but because of their compact design and good sound isolation from the neighbors, it was a more pleasant experience than any studio apartment I've stayed in in the US (which is generally twice the size). Mostly it is about the size of appliances, and the intelligent design of multi-use spaces - and the quality of the ventilation and sound isolation which are essential to keep your sanity when you're packed like a sardine. My guess is that if spaces like this were available and affordable, they would be a popular option, and not just for young people - for anyone who doesn't fit the increasingly uncommon stereotype of what a household looks like.

Of course there are definitely people who fail to launch for other reasons, but at the moment it seems to me like a societal problem more than an individual problem. I encounter quite a few people who are being priced out of both home ownership and renting. Between the rising cost of groceries and utilities, and the housing problems, quite a lot of people are suffering and it doesn't seem to me that all of it can be blamed on bad choices or laziness. In the US, simply comparing minimum wage in the 90s ($5.15 in 1997) to now ($7.25 since 2009) and rental prices (more than double in most places I know) shows why people are finding it hard to survive.

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Even if you do manage to find a rare studio apartment, it is generally so badly designed that it feels more like a prison cell than a home. Decent high-density housing is possible. In Japan and Korea, I stayed with friends who had small studio apartments - about 15 square meters - but because of their compact design and good sound isolation from the neighbors, it was a more pleasant experience than any studio apartment I've stayed in in the US (which is generally twice the size). Mostly it is about the size of appliances, and the intelligent design of multi-use spaces - and the quality of the ventilation and sound isolation which are essential to keep your sanity when you're packed like a sardine. My guess is that if spaces like this were available and affordable, they would be a popular option, and not just for young people - for anyone who doesn't fit the increasingly uncommon stereotype of what a household looks like.

I don't use speakers when I listen to music, rather I use headphones, as I've a roommate on the other side of my flimsy bedroom wall. I also had to check with her when I play my night music that helps me sleep. Still, I again lucked out with this house and the collection of roommates I've got. House was built in 1947 before all the drywall crap came out. I also have what was the master bedroom in the home.

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