I have an older cousin (I think he is like 41...I can't count).
Anywho, he is a major breeder brain. Today he posted a picture on Instagram of him putting some shoes on his mom's feet (he sells sports sneakers) and captioned it with something like "always take care of those who wiped your ass when you couldn't wipe it yourself". Well when you bring people here, you cause them to need that care. It is such a stupid statement. I don't like the idea of holding someone accountable for a situation that they were forced into. But that's just how breeders think.

He actually didn't have a kid of his own until his late 30s...now I am not saying that that is old, but in our community, it is old for having a first kid when we have breeders popping them out in their teens. But I knew he was going to have a kid even though he didn't have one yet is because he always had the breeder brain mentality.

He went to the pokey when he was about 20 years old for some drug related stuff. When he got out 5 years later, he had to rebuild his life which I understand. He was very young when it all happened and I do think the criminal justice system needs an overhaul in the U.S.

Anyway...my aunt and uncle are divorced and he lives with his mom since he got out of jail. They have moved into a house together. His on and off again girlfriend (younger of course...eyeroll) stays there sometimes with his toddler son. I know he is my cousin but if she were a daughter of mine, I would strongly discourage the relationship because it seems like he is already married to one chick (his mother). On top of this, he whines on Facebook about why he can't have more than one wife. But, he hasn't married the first woman he knocked up. Breeders!

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"I have found little that is 'good' about human beings on the whole. In my experience most of them are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all."
~Sigmund Freud

peace n quiet... sounds like he might have fried some brain cells early on.. sounds like your incel idiot type.. and of course there is a stupid female willing to go along with it just for the occasional hump. the loser in this is the child who watches mommy playing the whore as it suits her and, perhaps, "all I need to do to get sex is show up". that I think is a real mantra nowadays and may well lead to a lot of the SA's that go on. They get this notion from shows that, I think, are over sexualized. some of it would be regarded as porn 50 years ago ... but I do think both sexes get the idea that everyone is just out to get laid.

this being said I think there is much to be said to go back to chaperoned dates, separate dorms, etc.

One final vent as well, and don't think I approve of rape, but when you consider it.. alcohol loosens inhibitions. You get two inebriated people and it goes from there. If you have watched Jail, one of the behaviours of drunks is they ARE OUT OF CONTROL. So why in hell are people surprised when a drunk woman goes back to a drunk guys place and 'get it on'. They sober up and he has SA'd her??? You know, there IS culpability. How can one expect rational behaviour from someone who has plastered what common sense they once had...

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CERTIFIED HOSEHEAD!!!

people (especially women) do not give ONE DAMN about what they inflict on children and I defy anyone to prove me wrong

Dysfunctional relationships almost always have a child. The more dysfunctional, the more children.

The selfish wants of adults outweigh the needs of the child.

Some mistakes cannot be fixed, but some mistakes can be 'fixed'.

People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one. Leo J. Burke

Adoption agencies have strict criteria (usually). Breeders, whose combined IQ's would barely hit triple digits, have none.

Welcome back! Regardless of the exact math he seems to be a geezer breeder (38 or older).
I would never consider anyone 38, 48 or even 58 a geezer except in relation to breeding which is a young person's game because sperm and eggs both go bad. I realize it requires discretion and discernment to not breed if the conditions aren't favorable and there are a small percentage of people who could have healthy kids beyond 38. But it is high risk for a reason and the outcome is on the parents, period. There isn't a taxpayer funded pool for all these fools who roll snake eyes and realize after the bill for $1.5 million is in the mail and that their breeder mistake is going to cost them $200K annually for the rest of their lives.

He sounds like a real piece of work. I feel bad for the child, who certainly deserves better parents then these two.

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Anywho, he is a major breeder brain. Today he posted a picture on Instagram of him putting some shoes on his mom's feet (he sells sports sneakers) and captioned it with something like "always take care of those who wiped your ass when you couldn't wipe it yourself".

The only thing worse than breeder ranting about taking care of those who brought us into this world are breeders threatening their kids with "I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it" which actually isn't true if they want to avoid the pokey and certainly isn't legal. But that doesn't stop breeders from normalizing this line of abuse in the very humans they claim to "unconditionally love."

Bunch of lemmings, all of them.

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peace n quiet... sounds like he might have fried some brain cells early on.. sounds like your incel idiot type.. and of course there is a stupid female willing to go along with it just for the occasional hump. the loser in this is the child who watches mommy playing the whore as it suits her and, perhaps, "all I need to do to get sex is show up". that I think is a real mantra nowadays and may well lead to a lot of the SA's that go on. They get this notion from shows that, I think, are over sexualized. some of it would be regarded as porn 50 years ago ... but I do think both sexes get the idea that everyone is just out to get laid.

this being said I think there is much to be said to go back to chaperoned dates, separate dorms, etc.

One final vent as well, and don't think I approve of rape, but when you consider it.. alcohol loosens inhibitions. You get two inebriated people and it goes from there. If you have watched Jail, one of the behaviours of drunks is they ARE OUT OF CONTROL. So why in hell are people surprised when a drunk woman goes back to a drunk guys place and 'get it on'. They sober up and he has SA'd her??? You know, there IS culpability. How can one expect rational behaviour from someone who has plastered what common sense they once had...

You might have a point about the chaperoned dates/separate dorms etc. There have always been a group of men who were shitty and incelly. However, they were kind of kept in check by the community. If the only way he could get with you was being sandwiched between Aunt Gertrude and Aunt Maude for the first couple of dates, then he would suck it up and do it. If he got you knocked up, he would get his ass knocked out unless he married you and gave you a "non-broken" home in which to raise the kid. Society was a bit more strict back in the day and while they treated women unfairly, there were also more rules and expectations placed on men and there was shunning involved if the dude did something he should not have done (i.e. had his kids hungry and on welfare because he wouldn't support them).

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Welcome back! Regardless of the exact math he seems to be a geezer breeder (38 or older).
I would never consider anyone 38, 48 or even 58 a geezer except in relation to breeding which is a young person's game because sperm and eggs both go bad. I realize it requires discretion and discernment to not breed if the conditions aren't favorable and there are a small percentage of people who could have healthy kids beyond 38. But it is high risk for a reason and the outcome is on the parents, period. There isn't a taxpayer funded pool for all these fools who roll snake eyes and realize after the bill for $1.5 million is in the mail and that their breeder mistake is going to cost them $200K annually for the rest of their lives.

He sounds like a real piece of work. I feel bad for the child, who certainly deserves better parents then these two.

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Anywho, he is a major breeder brain. Today he posted a picture on Instagram of him putting some shoes on his mom's feet (he sells sports sneakers) and captioned it with something like "always take care of those who wiped your ass when you couldn't wipe it yourself".

The only thing worse than breeder ranting about taking care of those who brought us into this world are breeders threatening their kids with "I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it" which actually isn't true if they want to avoid the pokey and certainly isn't legal. But that doesn't stop breeders from normalizing this line of abuse in the very humans they claim to "unconditionally love."

Bunch of lemmings, all of them.

Yes, I feel sorry for the kid too being pulled in two directions by these dumbass breeders.

And I can't stand when breeders threaten their kids with that line. If you really loved someone, you wouldn't threaten them. It proves breeders don't love anything but their own egos. They claim to be the only ones who know true love but that is bullshit. True love is when you love someone you can't get something out of later. Breeders have their kids so they can have a free CNA when they get older .

And you have a point about the geezer breeding. I think that is why there are so many autards out there now. There is an epidemic of autism. I am surprised when I meet someone and they don't claim to have autism or ass-burgers. Both men and women are waiting too damn long to breed. If you really wanted a kid, it wouldn't take you that long to have one. Men like to blame women for geezer breeding and having defective eggs but children of older fathers are more likely to have mental problems including autardism. You can't have everything you want breeders no matter what gender you are.

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"I have found little that is 'good' about human beings on the whole. In my experience most of them are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all."
~Sigmund Freud

There's no good time to reproduce, honestly. Breeding in one's teen years means they likely won't get a proper education. Most people are broke or low-income in their twenties and at prime reproducing age. By the time you hit your thirties, any pregnancy that happens is considered geriatric because you're using stale eggs and expired sperm, meaning there is a far higher risk of birth defects. Some people may be well off enough financially in their 30s and 40s to afford IVF and use fresher eggs, but I think the success rate for IVF is only about 20 percent, so you may as well light that money on fire. Nobody wants to adopt kids already here for one of two reasons: too expensive and "I can't love a child that isn't mine."

I wish men had the same reproductive expiration date as women. Like once a person of the male or female variety hits a certain age, pregnancy or impregnation should become impossible. But occasionally you see an article about how some 85-year-old guy in India fathers a child, presumably with a much much younger woman. Who was on the committee where they decided that women become barren in their 50s and men can have viable sperm until old age?

People who are wanna-breeders often eventually find a way to have kids. Women go to sperm banks or have a bunch of bareback sex with strangers. Men will try to settle down suuuuper fast with the first person they find that has boobs and a pulse (like my ex who wanted to be married and have brats ASAP, so he would propose to women on the first date). Often for both genders, they will settle for anyone willing to put up with them, which means they wind up picking someone completely incompatible who wouldn't even make a good houseplant owner, much less a good parent. Then you have kids being raised by desperate, dysfunctional morons who may or may not have been born with a myriad of health problems due to the advanced reproductive age of the parents.

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The only thing worse than breeder ranting about taking care of those who brought us into this world are breeders threatening their kids with "I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it" which actually isn't true if they want to avoid the pokey and certainly isn't legal. But that doesn't stop breeders from normalizing this line of abuse in the very humans they claim to "unconditionally love."
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It was Bill Cosby who said the phrase in bold and made it famous. Think about that!

My own Moo was very much into telling me what I "owed" her for having me. Like when I was in my 20's and I had my own place and she took a job in Europe for a few months. She fully expected me to move out of my place and into her place and take care of her place. She told me, all you have to do is pay the utilities. When I explained to her that this would be a financial net negative for me, not to mention it would have added 20 miles to my commute, she told me I owed it to her because she had stayed home to raise me. (She only did that until I was 8, and was a screaming harridan who gave Mommie Dearest a run for her money, but never mind. I told her there were people called "house sitters" who performed this service, and they did not do it for free and neither did I. In the end she hired nobody and put an alarm system on the house and I would check it periodically. (For free because she was a cheap bitch.)

Back to topic, this dork sounds like a loser. Living with Mommy and sucking off the parental teat, not married to the mother of his child, yet is still bragging how he's Dud of the year and how you need to take care of the person who shat you out, no matter how good a job that person did.

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Some people may be well off enough financially in their 30s and 40s to afford IVF and use fresher eggs, but I think the success rate for IVF is only about 20 percent, so you may as well light that money on fire.

There is a grandmoo at my gym who has paid $50,000 for the reproductive treatments for her son and DIL. These people are suckers. I just cannot get into the "tragic" aspect of it. She's told everyone at the gym that the latest effort failed and there was all kinds of Mooing and lowing. Sometimes Nature just says no and that's that.

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Sometimes Nature just says no and that's that.

And that nature said no MEANS no.

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There is a grandmoo at my gym who has paid $50,000 for the reproductive treatments for her son and DIL. These people are suckers. I just cannot get into the "tragic" aspect of it. She's told everyone at the gym that the latest effort failed and there was all kinds of Mooing and lowing. Sometimes Nature just says no and that's that.

For that amount of money, they could at least be partway to adopting a child. But noooooope, it has to be their own little sperm-and-egg omelet or else they just can't love it. I wish people would take the hint - if they can't conceive naturally, then there's probably a good reason for it. Namely one or both parents are unhealthy in some way. Nobody ever died from not reproducing, and if there is something wrong with the parents, it's possible to pass a lot of issues onto any biological offspring.

People who want kids bad enough to waste six or seven figures on the act of conception almost certainly do not understand what parenting entails and have had Kodak moments practically pumped into them intravenously. I don't care how much they spend to create a child, that child will still shriek and cry all night long and be just as big of a pain in the ass as any other child. I promise that child will become very much NOT worth the price tag within the first month of its life.

I agree, the people who pursue IVF or IUI or whatever are suckers. Because you can do everything right while pregnant with an IVF clump and odds are very good it will still fall out early. If I'm gonna spend tens of thousands of dollars on a medical treatment, I'd better be goddamn guaranteed the expected results. It's not worth it. If they won't adopt or foster, then can't they shut the fuck up and learn to deal with being childless like sane adults? Not like the retards who will sell their houses and take out extra mortgages to pay for yet anotyher round of IVF.

Next up on I Regret Having Children: Mommy forced me to have a kid because she paid for IVF.

I'm astonished at how these folks blow money on their kids.

The other thing about the couple in question is that the woman is 30. Back in the old days, many people tried for years. She also has PCOS to my understanding and she's quite large. Maybe she should get healthy before having the kid, particularly since taking care of a baybee is so haaaaaaaaaaaard.

My understanding is, the standard line from doctors is if you don't get pregnasty in six months, you consult a doctor. Maybe that's a good idea to figure out if the guy is shooting blanks, but so many of these people get right on the procedures at six months.

Of course doctors tell you that because they want the money.

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The other thing about the couple in question is that the woman is 30. Back in the old days, many people tried for years. She also has PCOS to my understanding and she's quite large. Maybe she should get healthy before having the kid, particularly since taking care of a baybee is so haaaaaaaaaaaard.

My understanding is, the standard line from doctors is if you don't get pregnasty in six months, you consult a doctor. Maybe that's a good idea to figure out if the guy is shooting blanks, but so many of these people get right on the procedures at six months.

Of course doctors tell you that because they want the money.

Obesity is often a side effect of PCOS, and both obesity and PCOS are known to cause issues with fertility/conception. My guess is wanna-Moo feels she doesn't have time to get healthy and just wants to get up the duff right now because it can take years to reach a healthy weight, depending on how fat and/or how dedicated the person is to weight loss. A lot of people are also very often ready to blame the woman for an inability to get pregnant, conveniently forgetting the fact that men can just as easily be infertile or sterile.

But since fat acceptance and HAES have become so much more prevalent, doctors are most likely afraid to tell fat women to lose weight before attempting IVF to increase their odds of conceiving (and to maintain the best possible health while pregnant), so they just go ahead and do them knowing those obese patients might be at greater risk of pregnancy loss or complications because hey they still get paid just the same.

And I'd wager that if a fertility specialist told an obese women to slim her fat ass down before agreeing to administer any fertility treatments, said doctor would probably be professionally reprimanded or fired and possibly sued for discrimination. Letting an obese woman undergo IVF just increases the odds of repeat business for fertility clinics when the pregnancy inevitably doesn't take or doesn't last.

The way medical ethics go out the window when it comes to IVF is astounding. IVF is known to potentially cause a number of health consequences but I guess the idea is that as long as the end goal is a baybee it's okay (therefore implying that a woman's health is less important than her ability to breed)?

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There's no good time to reproduce, honestly.

True. Which is one of the reasons I said "to hell with it" altogether.

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The other thing about the couple in question is that the woman is 30. Back in the old days, many people tried for years. She also has PCOS to my understanding and she's quite large. Maybe she should get healthy before having the kid, particularly since taking care of a baybee is so haaaaaaaaaaaard.

My understanding is, the standard line from doctors is if you don't get pregnasty in six months, you consult a doctor. Maybe that's a good idea to figure out if the guy is shooting blanks, but so many of these people get right on the procedures at six months.

Of course doctors tell you that because they want the money.

The cow to be is only 30? Yikes. If you are that young and still cannot breed, then maybe it just wasn't meant to be.

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~Sigmund Freud

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The way medical ethics go out the window when it comes to IVF is astounding. IVF is known to potentially cause a number of health consequences but I guess the idea is that as long as the end goal is a baybee it's okay (therefore implying that a woman's health is less important than her ability to breed)?

"First do no harm" is a basic tenant of medical ethics.

But all of that goes out the window when it comes to breeding. The things people will do just so they have a kid who has their earlobes or laugh is just astounding.

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"I have found little that is 'good' about human beings on the whole. In my experience most of them are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all."
~Sigmund Freud