American politics 2016 cluster thread

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the noodler
My best friend and her husband are die-hard shitlord Trump supporters.

There's going to be no living with them after this night.

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StudioFiftyFour

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the noodler
My best friend and her husband are die-hard shitlord Trump supporters.

There's going to be no living with them after this night.

If she's your best friend than she's obviously pretty important to you. Don't let politics get in the way of solid friendships. I've learned that in this life, if you've got a good friend, keep 'em in the fold.

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the noodler

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StudioFiftyFour
If she's your best friend than she's obviously pretty important to you. Don't let politics get in the way of solid friendships. I've learned that in this life, if you've got a good friend, keep 'em in the fold.

And actually when they first moved back and their viewpoints were totally opposite from our POV and some things were downright offensive. But BFF told me that no matter what I read or hear of her DH in the news, is to remember how they treat me and my dh.

And they do treat us well.
Very well.

Eta: Yea. They're keepers as friends. Crazy ammosexual right wing alt right trad nationists, but BFF feeds us well and has always been there for us. She was my awesome bridesmaid and I introduced her to her DH 15 plus years ago so we have many ties that bind us in friendship.

Thanks to S54 for keeping it in perspective.

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Article
Half of America did not, in fact, just reveal themselves to be closet Nazis.

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StudioFiftyFour

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Half of America did not, in fact, just reveal themselves to be closet Nazis.

Bullshit article. Very few Americans can be classified as Nazis or having Nazi-like thinking. The extreme few that do probably did vote for Trump. But voting for Trump does not equal the voter being a Nazi. More importantly, this is the same damn country that it was 8 years ago. Did these same "Nazi's" elect Barack Obama, our first black president? Because without the white vote, he doesn't win. No way, no how.

It was a change election and although Trump may have been a pile of dog turds, his opponent was a pile of pig vomit. Most Americans felt that the choices being offered were terrible. Many of them tired of seeing jobs shipped overseas. Tired of rampant illegal immigration. Tired of PAYING (quite literally) for the costs of shipping said jobs overseas via tax breaks, and tired of PAYING for the costs of illegal immigration.

Rejecting the notion that our tax dollars should not subsidize tax breaks for companies to move overseas does not make a voter a Nazi. Rejecting the idea that illegal aliens should be permitted to run across the border, crowd our schools and hospitals, place wear and tear on our infrastructure, and do it at our expense? Sorry... that doesn't make you a Nazi.

Sans the debates, Trump spent much of his campaign hammering home core issues of illegal immigration, job creation, and reworking trade deals to benefit the US. Clinton (via the left wing commentators and talking heads) simply stated that anyone who would vote for such a man was in fact a racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, islamophobic, troglodyte. Sorry folks, that ain't a fuckin' campaign message. That doesn't inspire anyone, particularly coming from a person who had such a low approval rating to begin with.

And on top of that, she wanted to increase our refugee population by a whopping 500+%! These are people who come from a region of the world that hates western democracy. Many oppose women's rights, gay rights, free speech, and basically human rights of any kind. While I sympathize with their suffering, I'm curious why a country like Saudi Arabia couldn't take them in? Why America? Why now?

Please don't take this as endorsement for Trump. His "parent friendly" attitude toward child care and child tax credits are appalling. But we've got to get away from this stupid notion that if you don't endorse every nonsensical far left idea you must be a Nazi.

And don't think that this kind of flawed thinking couldn't bleed out into our population at some point. With so much of politics now being framed as "for the children," don't be surprised when WE are called "Nazis" for not wanting to have our money taken from us to fund "free" childcare, or "free" preschool, or "free" college, or "free" healthcare for the "kids" until they reach the new adulthood age of 47, or a new Taj Mahal of k-12 school facilities when there's absolutely nothing wrong with the current buildings.

Please forgive the rant, but one of the things I really like about this board is the ability of so many of the posters to stick with the facts, even if those facts are unpleasant. A writer who compares almost anyone with a political party that slaughtered millions of people is beyond the pale and should be laughed out of the political arena. And again, I write this mainly because if the dominoes fell another way, WE might be the ones unfairly given the "Nazi" label.

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Peace
My opinion? She was told years ago to step aside and let Obama get the nomination, and her time would come after him. I think this was a done deal YEARS ago. But that's my 0.02. I could be totally wrong about this.