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Posted by yurble 
Generation useless
October 05, 2017
It seems people 18-24 are now incapable of performing simple chores...or maybe just too fucking lazy. According to this, some of the things people don't know how to do include:
  • Washing dishes by hand by washing the lightly soiled items first and scraping dishes clean beforehand
  • Bleed a radiator
  • Resetting a fuse box
  • Change a lightbulb
  • Sewing on a button
Re: Generation useless
October 05, 2017
I lay the blame at the parents, who failed to teach basic life skills to their kids and did not require them to participate in the care of their childhood household.
Re: Generation useless
October 05, 2017
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cassia
I lay the blame at the parents, who failed to teach basic life skills to their kids and did not require them to participate in the care of their childhood household.

Yes, the parents absolutely failed to teach their children how to function as adults. However, as an adult there comes a point where blaming others is not an excuse for failing to address your deficiencies. Except their parents probably didn't teach them resilience and personal responsibility, either.

But seriously, how stupid do you have to be to not be able to figure out the logical order for washing dishes, and that you should scrape/rinse the dishes first? That goes beyond coddling. That's box-of-hammers dumb.
Re: Generation useless
October 05, 2017
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yurble
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cassia
I lay the blame at the parents, who failed to teach basic life skills to their kids and did not require them to participate in the care of their childhood household.

Yes, the parents absolutely failed to teach their children how to function as adults. However, as an adult there comes a point where blaming others is not an excuse for failing to address your deficiencies. Except their parents probably didn't teach them resilience and personal responsibility, either.

But seriously, how stupid do you have to be to not be able to figure out the logical order for washing dishes, and that you should scrape/rinse the dishes first? That goes beyond coddling. That's box-of-hammers dumb.

I grew up in a dysfunctional household with parents who taught me very little.
Back then and later as an adult, I guessed and figured out how to do many tasks, including household responsibilities.
These days almost anything, no matter how simple, can be learned through the internet or just using some basic common sense.
Re: Generation useless
October 05, 2017
The only thing modern kids know how to do is stay glued to their devices.
Re: Generation useless
October 07, 2017
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cassia
These days almost anything, no matter how simple, can be learned through the internet or just using some basic common sense.

That's what I don't get. You can look up how to do any basic task and find written instructions and a YouTube video. And a good many problems can be solved by simply thinking them through. The first time I dealt with an old fuse box I had no experience with changing fuses, as I had only previously used the modern kind with switches. It was not difficult to figure out which fuse needed replacing and how to do it. And the first time I had to bleed a radiator - the house I grew up in didn't have them - I think I asked someone to show me (this was pre YouTube). After one example I was able to handle the rest of them.

So how have we ended up with a bunch of people who couldn't figure out how to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel?

I was reading an article about the absence of play and it made me think maybe that is the problem. Instead of encouraging creativity and problem-solving, children are shuffled from one activity to the next. So when they haven't been taught to do something by rote learning (cleaning, for instance), they cannot figure out how to do it.
Re: Generation useless
October 15, 2017
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yurble
So how have we ended up with a bunch of people who couldn't figure out how to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel?

I was reading an article about the absence of play and it made me think maybe that is the problem. Instead of encouraging creativity and problem-solving, children are shuffled from one activity to the next. So when they haven't been taught to do something by rote learning (cleaning, for instance), they cannot figure out how to do it.

My theory is that they're a generation that has learned passivity in every aspect of their lives. Parents didn't directly teach the skills or give them chores to do, or expect them to work hard in school (but maybe wanted good grades somehow). So that's passivity in work/jobs.

Then they were never left to entertain themselves in any sort of unstructured play at home. Toys dwindled in favor of screen-based, pre-made games. Some schools moved to much more structured recesses wherein kids choose from some structured, adult-run activities instead of free play and negotiating amongst themselves. So playtime involved a certain passivity.

Result was a generation of young people who may have lots of potential, but never use it because they're unaccustomed to recognizing a need (like cleaning, repairs, etc) and taking initiative to address that. They don't think to sew on a button or clean a bathroom because they don't recognize it as something that needs doing. Buy a new shirt and wait for an adult to clean the bathroom...only they don't realize they're the adult now.

Which brings me to a favorite saying: parents need to focus on the fact that they're raising children, sure...but also that they're raising adults. If you "let them be kids" all the time, they won't know how to be anything but that for the rest of their lives.
Re: Generation useless
October 16, 2017
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mumofsixbirds
The only thing modern kids know how to do is stay glued to their devices.
Which you see a lot of parents love to goo over. 'My kid's so smart, he can figure out the DVD/Ipad/Computer at age 5, not even I could figure that out!' moo, duh and two kids

Real practical things that don't involve screens or the Pavlovian response to their phones or Ipads? Weellllll..... shrug
Re: Generation useless
October 17, 2017
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nightfire
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mumofsixbirds
The only thing modern kids know how to do is stay glued to their devices.
Which you see a lot of parents love to goo over. 'My kid's so smart, he can figure out the DVD/Ipad/Computer at age 5, not even I could figure that out!' moo, duh and two kids

Real practical things that don't involve screens or the Pavlovian response to their phones or Ipads? Weellllll..... shrug

Kids who really understand technology, as opposed to simply being consumers of technology, are pretty rare. Working in the tech field I am irked by vapid talking heads claiming that "digital natives" are so much more fluent with technology than we are. Seriously, who do they think built that shit that kids are using? It was pathetic adults who grew up in the analog age fiddling around with computers and figuring out how things worked. There are still kids like that today, but the vast majority are simply better trained consumers than their idiotic parents, nothing more.
Re: Generation useless
October 20, 2017
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yurble
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nightfire
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mumofsixbirds
The only thing modern kids know how to do is stay glued to their devices.
Which you see a lot of parents love to goo over. 'My kid's so smart, he can figure out the DVD/Ipad/Computer at age 5, not even I could figure that out!' moo, duh and two kids

Real practical things that don't involve screens or the Pavlovian response to their phones or Ipads? Weellllll..... shrug

Kids who really understand technology, as opposed to simply being consumers of technology, are pretty rare. Working in the tech field I am irked by vapid talking heads claiming that "digital natives" are so much more fluent with technology than we are. Seriously, who do they think built that shit that kids are using? It was pathetic adults who grew up in the analog age fiddling around with computers and figuring out how things worked. There are still kids like that today, but the vast majority are simply better trained consumers than their idiotic parents, nothing more.

Yeah, there is a huge difference between knowing how to use technology and actually knowing how it works and being able to manipulate it. My dad is a computer engineer, so I grew up in a household where I was taught how to actually build a computer and learn about what went on behind the operating system. Like he didn't let me use a computer with Windows until I was actually proficient with DOS and knew how to install a program in it and do basic troubleshooting because he wanted me to understand how computers worked. In this day and age that seems like something that everyone has to at least have some understanding of to be able to function.

There is no excuse for not being able to understand how stuff works when all of that information is easily available online. Hell, when I wanted to put a bigger hard drive in my PS4 there were hundreds of how to videos online. I could have figured it out on my own but I would rather watch a tutorial so that I don't accidentally break something on a 400 dollar piece of machinery.
Re: Generation useless
October 21, 2017
Yeah, I'd have given the impression of being a computer whiz, but really I just watched closely and cribbed all the useful things I saw.

I still lived at home right around the beginning of general adoption of consumer use of the internet. It took a while to convince my dad to get a modem.

But prior to that we had finally gotten a modern computer after having TRS-80s and fancy dot matrix typewriter-printers that would store 16 characters at once.

Tetris, there was Tetris! I played that shit so much my dad finally put a password on the Windows machine.

But I had been watching and already knew how to use DOS in a monkey see, monkey do fashion. So I opened up Xtree-pro (DOS file explorer) and opened Tetris directly and played it whenever he wasn't home. I forget how I got caught "breaking in" to it... (see, I could have directly opened tetris from the DOS prompt without the file explorer, I just didnt know it at the time and never memorized the path.)

My next tactic was watching him type the password. I'm not sure why he never thought I'd figure that out, I was always standing right next to him when he let me into the computer.

Of course he changed the password after catching me again. Then I tried to make a separate folder of my own copy of Windows, not knowing I should have gone a bit further and somehow fashioned a virtual drive to run it from.

I password protected MY Windows with my own password. Magically that password was applied to BOTH copies of Windows, AND then I forgot it. LOL!

My dad had to wipe the computer and reinstall windows.

Truly I am only a bit more savvy than my average peer consumer of electronic devices. I am WAY better than my husband at not angrily picking "always use this choice" settings. He locks himself out of a lot of things and doesn't know that it's his own fault. Pop ups to confirm your settings piss him off, but they are there for a reason.

On a TV show, someone inserted a thumb drive in a pc which automatically opened all files on it. My husband scoffed, "Computers don't DO that! There is not a setting to make that happen!!!"
Oh, but there is. Pick "Open all files" and "Do this automatically" when the computer recognizes the thumb drive. You'd think he would know this as he has picked this setting himself on accident!
Re: Generation useless
October 21, 2017
I probably have average tech skills. My dad has no patience with technology. He just turned 80. He asks me to order books for him on Amazon because he does not want to get his own account (he pays me in cash for the books). Sometimes he asks me to look up stuff on the internet for him. I surf the internet so damn much I have tendonitis in my right thumb and I'm left handed. This is because I love to search for information and learn new things. I should have tried to get some kind of research or investigation job. Dad has a cell phone but he never uses it. I don't use mine a lot either, I don't understand how some people can be glued to them 24/7. I turn it on when I leave the house and use it to play music in my car with Amazon cloud. Dad is a retired math professor so the problem isn't lack of brains, it's simply impatience. Although he has learned how to Skype recently and I don't do that. Mom doesn't do anything with computers at all.

My parents were overprotective for the time I grew up in. When I went to college in 1988 the girls in the dorm were amazed I had never done laundry. But I knew how because I had watched my mom. I washed my clothes just fine. I did fuck up my bank account because my parents thought money was as taboo as sex and never told me anything about it. But I figured it out after a while.

I can't believe how much over-protectiveness is normal now. I read it is illegal for kids under 13 to be outside without an adult in some places. I thought it was really bad my parents insisted on walking me to and from school until 3rd grade. They tried to continue it in 3rd grade but I threw a shit fit and they no longer had the support of the school. The school encouraged parents to walk with their kids for the first 2 grades but very few of them did it. I lived three blocks from the school and it was a normal residential neighborhood. If this is now mandatory behavior for parents no wonder kids can't do anything for themselves.
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