I am "selfish" because I don't care about other people's kids in regards to violent media.

Not too long ago, I was having a debate of sorts with my mom's live-in boyfriend about violent video games.

I simply stated that I don't care about other people's children, and don't want my hobby, which is playing video games, banned because of them.

The parents chose to have kids, so it's their job to teach them empathy, respect, etc.

He didn't say that he was for banning them.

Besides, a normal, mentally stable person who knows fantasy from reality will not suddenly become violent simply because they played a violent game.

Have you ever been told that you should not partake in your hobby because it might be a bad influence on a brat?

He never said this -- I am just curious.

I know that one member was accused of being a pedophile by some mom when he was looking at toy cars to paint, which is his hobby.

That's western culture for ya. People say that we're a lot more individualist than cultures like, say, Japan or others in that general area, but damn, if you live in America and dare to not be particularly family-oriented, or heaven forbid not like children, then it's like instant social pariah, just add water.

And to answer your question, I collect various forms of animal remains -- bones, furs, feathers, that kind of thing. Bones are my specialty, and I'm not the slightest bit afraid to do the yucky parts [cleaning the flesh from the bones] myself, by the various means I've learned over the years. I have been told that I shouldn't do it because it might spook children to have dead animal skulls in the house, and because it's "serial killer behavior" [???? Anyone know of any serial killers who made a habit of cleaning animal bones, restoring roadkill to its former beauty, etc.?]
As if there are ever going to be any nasty brats in my house, let alone anywhere near my collection. I respect all of the spirits whose remains I work on, and letting a greasy, slobbery human kyd touch and molest them would be very rude indeed.

Not to mention... [soapbox ahead] being afraid of death and bones is totally LEARNED BEHAVIOR. Just like thinking bugs or spiders are gross. Children are taught to fear bugs, snakes, spiders, and dead things by this culture. Naturally they have no fear, and only stupid moos and duhs teach their kids to be blindly afraid of pretty much harmless animals just trying to live their own lives. It almost always leads to pointless cruelty and the needless deaths of way too many innocent creatures just trying to live peacefully.
Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now. It just pisses me off that we [and by we, I mean stupid thoughtless moos and duhs] lead by example when we see a beetle hanging out peacefully in a corner and go, "Ew!!! Kill it!" for no reason at all.

Yep. Reptiles especially get a bad reputation that they don't deserve.

I'm in the pr0n industry so...

I was reading a man on man erotic book on the bus one day, I covered the outside of the book with computer paper so no one would be offended (they have the right to NOT look at porn). Well, apparently this moomie was reading over my shoulder (she was behind me) and got all butthurt about it. She whispered to me that I shouldn't be reading that on the bus. I said why not. She said because it has sex in it and my son could see it. I looked at her and then her child and back at her again. I said "how do you know that this has sex in it?" She blanched. Then she said that sex was immoral or some shit. Then.. I looked at her son, then back to her then back to her son.. Emphasizing that I was staring at her son. "Then how did he get here?" Best bus-ride ever.

I wish I had been on that bus. Brilliant!

Reading over one's shoulder drives me insane. I'd have been tempted to smack her nose with the book.

Not hobbies, per se, but I have had my elder brother turn my music off in my home so that his kids could watch their cartoons - and all without asking me. It was only on in the background, just pleasant music as we had a meal, he would seem very affronted that I would dare have an issue with it. Just rude!

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Have you ever been told that you should not partake in your hobby because it might be a bad influence on a brat?

Yup. My response is always, "It's not my kid. It's yours. YOU teach them good influences. The rest of the world doesn't have an obligation to change because you decided to breed. Get over yourself and stop coming up with excuses of why you're too lazy to teach your kids."

Because that's what it is. Breeders are lazy.

They are too lazy to be a position influence on the brats they bred, and they expect everyone else to do it for them.

The TV is their babysitter, but some small part of their tiny cow brain still realizes TV is a bad babysitter, and has stuff on it young kids shouldn't see.

So rather than turn off the TV and PARENT, they blame the whole fucking world for not parenting for them.

You all are not selfish. What you do in the privacy of your own home, or bubble has no detrimental effect on others. That is why TV sets and computers come with parental controls. It is their job to shield their young from what they deem harmful. Personal responsibility. I chose to have pets. The cats do not go outside because I can not control the dangers out there. Am I supposed to block the street and sit out with guns to kill any creature that might hurt my furpanions? People should keep their noses out of other's business.

One time a moo I worked with used one of my hobbies, knitting, as an illustration of something she, of course, couldn't afford to indulge in because she has KYDS to provide for. She said matter of factly that she wouldn't be able to just go out and buy yarn.

She isn't even generally irritating as a moo either. I think trying to put on a guilt trip for anything a childfree person might happen to purchase, or even simply have time for, just comes natural in our society.

Not in that way...but i've been told i'm wasting my time doing another degree when i could do smth. useful like having a kid.

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One time a moo I worked with used one of my hobbies, knitting, as an illustration of something she, of course, couldn't afford to indulge in because she has KYDS to provide for. She said matter of factly that she wouldn't be able to just go out and buy yarn.

She isn't even generally irritating as a moo either. I think trying to put on a guilt trip for anything a childfree person might happen to purchase, or even simply have time for, just comes natural in our society.

I know a Moo who would rather knit (or bake or clean a refrigerator or fuck around and literally do nothing for hours while foisting her kyds upon her MIL, never her own parents, all the while claiming to be like zomg soooooo bored) than be around the kids SHE CHOSE (for her and her husband, lol - zomg BC makes me psycho lulz) to have. Hm. Did this moo not realize that she could have potentially had another reason to ignore/tune her kids out, at the very least, and perhaps a knitting-needle-accident-waiting-to-happen-for-which-she-will-have-suffered-enough? Put that way, I'll just bet she's willing to budget for some fucking yarn. Moos. Hate 'em.

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Bones are my specialty, and I'm not the slightest bit afraid to do the yucky parts [cleaning the flesh from the bones] myself, by the various means I've learned over the years. I have been told that I shouldn't do it because it might spook children to have dead animal skulls in the house, and because it's "serial killer behavior" [???? Anyone know of any serial killers who made a habit of cleaning animal bones, restoring roadkill to its former beauty, etc.?]

(re: the bolded) What the fuck kind of nonsense is that? It's both interesting and educational.

I remember when I was a kid, my brother and I used to play around in this field near our house. One day we stumbled upon a dead cat; it looked to have been attacked by another animal. We left it alone and went along our way. Well, we would often come across the rotting cat during our play, until one day most of the flesh and fur was gone and left a lot of the bones exposed, including the skull. My brother picked up the skull - which was intact - and took it home. At first my mom kind of freaked out because of the whole germ/disease/grossness factor, but after making my brother wash up real well, she took the skull and soaked it in bleach. Then we kept it and studied it. It was very fascinating, and for the longest time we had this cat skull on display. Pretty cool, I think.

Oh, and none of us ever got spooked out by it or turned into serial killers.

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I was reading a man on man erotic book on the bus one day, I covered the outside of the book with computer paper so no one would be offended (they have the right to NOT look at porn). Well, apparently this moomie was reading over my shoulder (she was behind me) and got all butthurt about it. She whispered to me that I shouldn't be reading that on the bus. I said why not. She said because it has sex in it and my son could see it. I looked at her and then her child and back at her again. I said "how do you know that this has sex in it?" She blanched. Then she said that sex was immoral or some shit. Then.. I looked at her son, then back to her then back to her son.. Emphasizing that I was staring at her son. "Then how did he get here?" Best bus-ride ever.

Was this moron raised in a barn? What idiot ever told her it was OK to read, or even look over somebody else's shoulder?! I was always taught that this was rude behavior. Maybe you should've reminded the pig of that. Not that it would've educated the bitch.

jbs

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Not that it would've educated the bitch.

Answered your own question. I don't want to parent kids and I damn sure dont want to parent the kids parent. If your a bitch, I'm just going to embarrass you. I said all this shit loud enough for others to hear it and she was absolutely MORTIFIED. Which begs the question.. Why would you have a product of fucking follow you around if you don't want anyone to know you fucked!? That's another reason I like not having kids it adds a mystery to me that makes men wonder. If you have a kid.. Well.. They know that at some point, you've been "had" (who wants someone's leftovers), they know you were a bloated freak at some point laying down trying to grunt a small person out of your vagina and they know that you vag is like mitt Romneys mouth, way too open when it shouldn't be.

So, let me get this straight...

We have to be excruciatingly careful with everything we do, say, wear, read, even LOOK at in stores-- to "protect" the little booger-eaters we did not crap out.

And, on top of that, we are to not mind their loud, destructive, rude, sticky-fingered, narcissistic, abusive behavior.

And these small screechy things are to be allowed in-- even given full run of-- movie theatres, bars, busy gyms, etc.

Yet... WE'RE the "selfish" ones.

Fuck this shit. I'm buying a rocket launcher.

Not my spawn also means not my problem. Sometimes life really is that simple. If it's not my problem I don't have to censor anything. I'm also not about to.

I am sick and tired of these "what about the children" and "village" concepts.

Well, what about the children? Let's break that one down...whose children are they, where are they, what are they doing, should they be doing that, do they need more supervision, are they becoming scarred for life, are they running with scissors or playing in the street, etc.? None of these questions apply to me, because, guess what, I have no kids to apply these questions to, and if they are your kids, you are the one to be applying the questions, and no one else.

I have chosen to not be a member of your village. I have chosen to be a nomad. So therefore, leave me the fuck alone. I care not about the policies, procedures, rules, ceremonies, expectations, contributions (HA) responsibilities (or lack thereof) that you follow. I am not in your village. They do not apply to me. I wish to not participate, so therefore, leave me the fuck alone.

I can't make it any simpler, and I think this breaks it down pretty well.

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crazy old crone
One time a moo I worked with used one of my hobbies, knitting, as an illustration of something she, of course, couldn't afford to indulge in because she has KYDS to provide for. She said matter of factly that she wouldn't be able to just go out and buy yarn.

She isn't even generally irritating as a moo either. I think trying to put on a guilt trip for anything a childfree person might happen to purchase, or even simply have time for, just comes natural in our society.

I've heard that one as well but I also agree with you. I don't think the moo was trying to be a bitch but it's ingrained in our society. Hiya, fellow knitter. :1wv

My sincerest apologies for the thread jack. Back to our regularly scheduled ranting.

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I was reading a man on man erotic book on the bus one day, I covered the outside of the book with computer paper so no one would be offended (they have the right to NOT look at porn). Well, apparently this moomie was reading over my shoulder (she was behind me) and got all butthurt about it. She whispered to me that I shouldn't be reading that on the bus. I said why not. She said because it has sex in it and my son could see it. I looked at her and then her child and back at her again. I said "how do you know that this has sex in it?" She blanched. Then she said that sex was immoral or some shit. Then.. I looked at her son, then back to her then back to her son.. Emphasizing that I was staring at her son. "Then how did he get here?" Best bus-ride ever.

What a buffoon! Serves her stupid ass right for poking her nose into your business! larious

Audiophile -- My former roommate collects bones, she'll go hiking sometimes to find them. She's found some really cool bones, I love seeing her collection.

Reptiles get so much of a bad rap, it's terrible. My mom is super afraid of snakes, she grew up thinking they were slimy and gross and would bite everyone. It was thanks to my dad who grew up catching them that I got the fascination and am not afraid at all, but instead really fascinated by reptiles.
I used to work at a pet store...it was hell and awful, but one of my few favorite moments was when a girl scout troop came in...about like, ehh fifteen or so ten-year-old girls. I was back with the reptiles and my ambassador snake, a young boa named Popcorn, I had him out to show the girls because he was super chill. The parents and the troop leader were all scootched away from the snake, but these girls were fascinated and touched and pet Popcorn and wanted to feel his tongue tickling when he smelled them. They thought he was really cool. Parents thought Popcorn was gross.

Learned behavior, man. Teach your kids about critters proper!

LOL larious These moos think that we have to dumb down our favourite things just for their kids. Notable media is various Youtube vids. "Omg stawp cussing its too innapropriate 4 da chyldreen!!!1!1"
Sorry, hon, it's not my kid, so it's not my problem!

The moos can rip my copy of Shin Megami Tensei 4 out of my cold dead hands...

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The moos can rip my copy of Shin Megami Tensei 4 out of my cold dead hands...

Love shit megami tensei! i played 4 but i could never get out of yukiko's godamned whore ass of a castle. i rage quitted after the 54th try. i counted. And they can't touch Battle Royale, and Panty and Stocking, and South Park, and damn near everything else I watch on tv.

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The moos can rip my copy of Shin Megami Tensei 4 out of my cold dead hands...

Love shit megami tensei! i played 4 but i could never get out of yukiko's godamned whore ass of a castle. i rage quitted after the 54th try. i counted. And they can't touch Battle Royale, and Panty and Stocking, and South Park, and damn near everything else I watch on tv.

Panty and Stocking is awesome!

And fuck the breeders for trying to PG-13 the whole world! Just for that, I'm putting The Borgias and Deadwood on my iPad for when I travel.

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