Bad ages of kids...

Okay, another post here...what ages do you guys think are the worst for kids? Personally I hate babies, toddlers, kids, teenagers, and sometimes people in their 20s even, if they're lazy and act like a kid.

There are some teenagers that are okay to me, and a lot of people in their 20s. Being a teenager myself, I look around at my age group and think, "Immature, stupid, and lazy." What's up with my "fellow" teenagers wearing pajamas to school and wearing $2 flip-flops at prom? Egh. And acting the way they do? I think they need to get something done with their life. As for me, I started my real estate business at 15 and this is my freshman year in college and I've already got a job in my field. I don't want to brag or anything, I'm just wishing that some teenagers were more willing to do things and could get things done. That they were more motivated. My brother is still living at home...he's turning 22 on New Year's Eve, has no job and is not going to school. I get angry at him sometimes, yet I feel sorry for him at the same time because he'll never have a decent life.

Alright, so how do you guys feel about the different age groups?

ok theres 2 different parts to what you are saying..

one i hate spoiled brats, and brats that have a superior attutide about life even when they havent lived it. the kind of i am better than you attitude, my parents have money i am better, i made lots of money, therefore i am better. no one person is better than anyone else. they may be rich in money but they dont know how real people act. if someone wants to wear $2 flip flops so what.. does it affect you, no it doesnt. or should only people of worth wear $347 pair of shoes. teenagers by definition are immature, perhaps you had some help from you parents, (i always thought you needed money to be a real estate person and maybe a qualification. some people dont have the money, they are just scraping by. not everyone wants to work in real estate, some dont know what they want to do, its good you know what you want to do, but not everyone is like you. and how do you know these people havent got plans about writing a book, or so on. its easy to judge people by your own yardstick)

regardless of age.

the other problem is, it could be that your brother is not given a chance, there is a lot of institutionalised sexism in the workplace today. he is looked down upon because he is male, i dont know your brother you may be right, but it does happen. a man living at home.. can he afford to move out, these are the things you need to think about.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

TimsGirl, that is impressive to start a real estate business at 15. How did you do it since the age to work that field is 18 in most states? At least, you thought of your future which is rare of most people in the teen years...

I do hear you of college-aged people acting like small children. In my line of work, university "kids" or just young adults under the age of 20 turn up their nose at $8-9/hourly for pay. Yet, these same people have no real work experience except maybe from the teenage jobs of retail or fast-food. They are the most unreliable workers and feel they do not have to do anything on the job to earn their pay...except maybe stand under a tree outside on their cellphones. These young adult "kids" come in not wearing the proper uniform and then have a hissy fit if the supervisor says something. The problem is how their mothers have coddled their children feeling that "nothing is too good" for their brats.

"FUCK WORK"

I don't think about it in terms of age. A brat is a brat. I'm not crazy about babies, though. Too fragile and needy.

Nowadays, kids of all ages are egotistical little shits. They're rude, argumentative, and pampered. They know deep down that they haven't accomplished squat, so they boast and brag about things they know nothing about in order to appear as great as they believe they are. Most people can see through that charade. There's no age limit on bullshit.

Sprogless, I am with you about people who boast and brag. I heard it when I worked the Bar None account at one call center. Bar None is a company that assists in getting "credit challenged" people or those with no credit into auto loans. I would get calls from young people all of the freaking time who claimed they made loads of money from "businesses" doing parties, music, raves, or even other businesses that would take some years of study and paying one's dues at the bottom.

If these young adults had all of that money and actually did run businesses, the overgrown brats would not call Bar None needing to get a 15-25% interest loan, designed for people, rebuilding credit after irresponsibility or a catastrophe, for an auto loan. I wanted to ask why these "rich" youngsters could not just pay cash but the calls were heavily monitored. I have no idea why these adult-"kids" would call a toll-free number to impress an employee of a call center.

I do agree with Mercurior about the clothing issue. Sure, I have to admit that I thought a girl in the mall wearing pajama bottoms looked a bit on the ridiculous side but "fashion" is all over the place nowadays. The stuff I wear could be considered inappropriate. I am not a fashion plate. I dress very casual and wear those funky Croc shoes that are made from some sort of polyeurothane (spelling?).

Who cares about $2 flip-flops to the prom? It takes a bigger person to not care about what others will think of his/her clothing. I have found the most inner-secure person to be the least worried about fashion.

"FUCK WORK"

I think its very easy to judge the world and all those around you at the ripe old age of what, 18 or 19. I am very interested to know that the original poster did in real estate at the age of 15. All states I believe, have a minimum age of 18 and a high school diploma to get a RE Liscense. Also, there are some very expensive start up costs in that line of work. It can also take years to become established. I learned this as my father is a realtor.

It is very easy to sit back and say "oh, others have done what I have done." Did you ever think you had support from parents that others do not? Not everyone knows what they want from life, even as they get older. They should not be penalized for this.

As for your 22 year old brother. Do you have any idea how hard it is to make it out there on your own? What it is like to not be able to get a job? To be stuck living with you parents? Of course you don't, because you are still a child, and haven't been hit with reality yet.

What difference is it to you if people wear flip flops and pajamas? A polished professional such as yourself should not be focusing on such matters. A person in flip flops and pajamas may want to buy a million dollar house from you at some point. Will you turn your nose up at them?

You say you hate kids, but by the sounds of your post, you yourself are still very much a kid.

Girls between infancy and up to age 10 or 11 are far less annoying than boys at the same age. However, once they reach puberty, girls become far more annoying with their whining and dramas. Most boys (ie those who aren't pampered jocks) just become sullen and sulk and aside from asking for money, generally leave everyone else in peace during their teenage years. College years, it's hard to figure out who is more annoying when alcohol becomes a factor.

Hello again! Since some of you are interested, I don't have an RE license--yet. But I do own a condo and a trailer. My father is into real estate also, so he has been able to cosign for me on many things, including the bank account I started for this at 15. The condo I bought back when I was that age, so he cosigned for me on that, and the trailer I recently bought after I turned 18, so I didn't have a problem. Basically all I do in my business is pay the taxes, collect rent from tenants, pay condo fees and such, plus when a tenant moves out I have to go into my building and/or condo and fix it up by painting or fixing appliances, such things like that. So it's hard work sometimes, and sometimes it's just "Well, I have to do bank things today". I prefer the bank work, but you can't be in real estate without getting your hands dirty!

I'd like to reply to what Theresa wrote:

> I think its very easy to judge the world and all
> those around you at the ripe old age of what, 18
> or 19. I am very interested to know that the
> original poster did in real estate at the age of
> 15. All states I believe, have a minimum age of 18
> and a high school diploma to get a RE Liscense.
> Also, there are some very expensive start up costs
> in that line of work. It can also take years to
> become established. I learned this as my father is
> a realtor. (Read above post for reply.)
>

> It is very easy to sit back and say "oh, others
> have done what I have done." Did you ever think
> you had support from parents that others do not?
> Not everyone knows what they want from life, even
> as they get older. They should not be penalized
> for this. (Yes, I have thought about support...a lot. I have a lot more of it coming from my friends and family that I know a lot of people don't. I am very lucky and blessed.)
>
> As for your 22 year old brother. Do you have any
> idea how hard it is to make it out there on your
> own? What it is like to not be able to get a job?
> To be stuck living with you parents? Of course you
> don't, because you are still a child, and haven't
> been hit with reality yet. (I know what it is like not being able to get a job. It's very hard and sometimes depressing, thinking that you don't have skills to get one and/or being hard on yourself. Unfortunately, I do know what it's like to be stuck with my parents. Honestly, my parents have said many times they don't want me moving out because I have a fiance and "he'd be around all the time", thinking we'll do farther things than we do. So I would have "been hit by reality" if I had a chance. I'd like to be in my own two family and renting the other part of it out, but that's a little out of my reach right now.)
>
> What difference is it to you if people wear flip
> flops and pajamas? A polished professional such as
> yourself should not be focusing on such matters. A
> person in flip flops and pajamas may want to buy a
> million dollar house from you at some point. Will
> you turn your nose up at them? (It's not a "difference" to me if people wear flip flops and pajamas, but I think if they'd walk into an interview with those on, they wouldn't get the job. It's a matter of what is appropriate where. I guess prom in the future will be flip flops and pajamas, but in "back in my day" proms, they were supposed to be formal. But I was wrong about that when I got there. I don't agree with you when you say I am a polished professional. I still have a lot of learning to do, so I am not polished. Nobody is. And no, I do not turn my nose up at anybody. I try to be fair and right to everyone, including my friends, tenants, people who work for me, etc.)
>
> You say you hate kids, but by the sounds of your
> post, you yourself are still very much a kid. (You are very right. I am a "kid" to many people because of my age and because I'm not that "polished" professional you said I was earlier. However, I like to see myself as more of an adult than a kid because of all I've accomplished in my life. If you want to call me a kid, that's fine, it really is. There are some "little" kids who've accomplished more than me, and I know that. But as far as I feel, I feel like my thoughts about me are worth more than anyone else's. If I still viewed myself as a kid, I'd be out playing or drinking or partying like a lot of people do my age. But I feel I must amount to more than that, so I'm getting started early in life to make my later life a good one for me, my future husband, and our cats, ha. Anyways, thank you for posting that. I need to be reminded of how lucky I am sometimes, and how I need to fix some things about myself. That's all for now.)

ok, i see theres a few problems with your answers, since your father is a realtor, then you have a benefit since he co signs stuff, you are using his good name to do "business".. some people dont have a parent like that.

one question, how do you know what its like to not have a job, your still in school, and school isnt like real life. its very depressing, depending on the field of work he has studied. i am trained in a very female orientated work environment, i get looked down upon because i am a male. (why doesnt your father want to help your brother)..

and you have a fiance at age 15, well.. thats strange, most 15 year olds dont want to get married, they dont know what they want in life.

an interview is different to a prom, or whatever, relaxation is relaxation, i wear scruffy shoes, perhaps they were making a statement about the commercialisation of proms.. hundreds spent on a tux for one night.. etc..

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

TimsGirl139 Wrote:
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> Hello again! Since some of you are interested, I
> don't have an RE license--yet. But I do own a
> condo and a trailer. My father is into real estate
> also, so he has been able to cosign for me on many
> things, including the bank account I started for
> this at 15. The condo I bought back when I was
> that age, so he cosigned for me on that, and the
> trailer I recently bought after I turned 18, so I
> didn't have a problem. Basically all I do in my
> business is pay the taxes, collect rent from
> tenants, pay condo fees and such, plus when a
> tenant moves out I have to go into my building
> and/or condo and fix it up by painting or fixing
> appliances, such things like that. So it's hard
> work sometimes, and sometimes it's just "Well, I
> have to do bank things today". I prefer the bank
> work, but you can't be in real estate without
> getting your hands dirty!


I figured you did not have the license. The B*S radar was sort of high when you mentioned that especially since you list as a college student on the Bella CF board. You may want to change IDs...and not tell anyone...since your stories often don't jive. It is very easy to judge others when Daddio has payed...er, I mean co-signed...your "business". Try doing it on your own like other young people and work low-paying, dirty jobs. I know you have to do such hard work with the painting and other stuff...especially since your father helped you so much. How easy it is to judge others & what they should do with their lives when you have not had the benefit of having "success" on your own merit without parental welfare...

"FUCK WORK"

I'd like to respond to what mercurior wrote:
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> ok, i see theres a few problems with your answers,
> since your father is a realtor, then you have a
> benefit since he co signs stuff, you are using
> his good name to do "business".. some people dont
> have a parent like that. (I know---I am very lucky.)
>
> one question, how do you know what its like to not
> have a job, your still in school, and school isnt
> like real life. (I do know what it's like between jobs. I'm not in "school" like you think I am, I'm in college.) its very depressing, depending on
> the field of work he has studied. i am trained in
> a very female orientated work environment, i get
> looked down upon because i am a male. (why doesnt
> your father want to help your brother).. (My brother does not want help. He's been offered the real estate deal many times. He's always turned my dad down on that offer.)
>
> and you have a fiance at age 15, well.. thats
> strange, most 15 year olds dont want to get
> married, they dont know what they want in life. (Oh, my gosh wow! No, no, I'm not 15. I was 15 when I STARTED real estate. I am now 18. Oh wow, sorry, I should've clarified that, ha.)
>
> an interview is different to a prom, or whatever,
> relaxation is relaxation, i wear scruffy shoes,
> perhaps they were making a statement about the
> commercialisation of proms.. hundreds spent on a
> tux for one night.. etc.. (I understand you. It's just that I've always thought of prom as formal and dressy. I don't consider the PJs and flip flops dressy, if you know what I mean!)

I'd also now like to respond to what amethusos* wrote:
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> TimsGirl139 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hello again! Since some of you are interested,
> I
> > don't have an RE license--yet. But I do own a
> > condo and a trailer. My father is into real
> estate
> > also, so he has been able to cosign for me on
> many
> > things, including the bank account I started
> for
> > this at 15. The condo I bought back when I was
> > that age, so he cosigned for me on that, and
> the
> > trailer I recently bought after I turned 18, so
> I
> > didn't have a problem. Basically all I do in my
> > business is pay the taxes, collect rent from
> > tenants, pay condo fees and such, plus when a
> > tenant moves out I have to go into my building
> > and/or condo and fix it up by painting or
> fixing
> > appliances, such things like that. So it's hard
> > work sometimes, and sometimes it's just "Well,
> I
> > have to do bank things today". I prefer the
> bank
> > work, but you can't be in real estate without
> > getting your hands dirty!
>
>
> I figured you did not have the license. The B*S
> radar was sort of high when you mentioned that
> especially since you list as a college student on
> the Bella CF board. (Can't I be a college student and have a job at the same time? Many college people do it.) You may want to change
> IDs...and not tell anyone...since your stories
> often don't jive. (I don't understand what you're saying about the ID thing.) It is very easy to judge others
> when Daddio has payed...er, I mean
> co-signed...your "business". (Nope, "Daddio" has not paid for it. I have a loan that I've taken out myself.) Try doing it on your
> own like other young people and work low-paying,
> dirty jobs. (I am doing much on my own, however, like I've said before I have a lot to learn. I'm learning some on my own and some of the time I get guidance from my father. Also, I've worked minimum wage before at a fast food restaurant doing drive thru, bussing, and washing dishes, all within the same day, doing pretty much all at once. I've also worked at two other places, getting the jobs myself. So Daddio has not done all of this for me.) I know you have to do such hard work
> with the painting and other stuff...especially
> since your father helped you so much. (Yes, I do have to do hard work as amazing as that sounds...yes, painting, renting out, washing outsides of buildings and fixing the landscape. Something you have to understand is that this is all new to me.) How easy it
> is to judge others & what they should do with
> their lives when you have not had the benefit of
> having "success" on your own merit without
> parental welfare...(I don't consider all I've done "parental welfare"...since most of it I've done myself. You can't tell me that you've never had help with some things. I don't believe I've judged anyone. All I said was that I think people, mostly my age, should want to do more with their lives. I think while some people are sitting home playing videogames and partying and I'm out working, I believe that's a benefit on my part. I honestly think I'm doing pretty well.)

I have been fortunate to have had some help but do not live on parental welfare...such as Daddio paying for a condo at age 15. I've had more than my share of struggles in this life which has made me a stronger person. You *do* judge people. Why should you care if teenagers are out partying and having a good time? This is what most people of that age do while trying to figure out what they want to do with their lives. As long as no one is getting into trouble or trying to tell you what to do, it is no one else's business what they do. You are right of how you are doing well...with the benefit of your parents helping you besides actually working, which you should do without any kudos. Not all people have been that fortunate.

"FUCK WORK"

I really don't think you have the right to tell anyone of any age what they should be out doing. Your father handed you how many thousands of dollars to buy real estate. If you did not have that advantage, you too would be living at home with a low paying job.
Why wasn't the same opportunity offered to your brother?

You are "successful" because of a handout from your father. Not on your own merit.

Try to go out into the world and do the same thing with no help from anyone. Then you can come back and write about how "easy it is" when the shoe is on the other foot.

Then again, everything is so damn easy when you are 18, and still wearing rose colored glasses.

Stop trying to grow up so quick. Enjoy goofing off while you can, because it all ends so fast.

Theresa Wrote:
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> I really don't think you have the right to tell
> anyone of any age what they should be out doing.
> Your father handed you how many thousands of
> dollars to buy real estate. If you did not have
> that advantage, you too would be living at home
> with a low paying job.
> Why wasn't the same opportunity offered to your
> brother?
>
> You are "successful" because of a handout from
> your father. Not on your own merit.

Theresa Wrote:
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> I really don't think you have the right to tell
> anyone of any age what they should be out doing.
> Your father handed you how many thousands of
> dollars to buy real estate. If you did not have
> that advantage, you too would be living at home
> with a low paying job.
> Why wasn't the same opportunity offered to your
> brother?
>
> You are "successful" because of a handout from
> your father. Not on your own merit.

Exactly! No fifteen-year-old can legally sign for a loan or a credit card so Daddy basically gave her the money for her condo and supposed "real estate" business. Funny how she backed up to say she worked low-wage fast-food/restaurant jobs when called on her arrogance. I doubt that job paid the condo mortgage and HOA fees. TimsGirl reminds me of a former co-worker who pretty much stated how he had done a ton of different things and owned all of these businesses in his lifetime. We listend for entertainment purposes only as the B*S radar was on him as well. At least, this guy was funny and not stuck on himself.

Nothing is more insufferable than a very young adult who tells others what they should be doing after living off of parental welfare. It almost reminds me of a nineteen-year-old girl (notice I use the word "girl" and not "woman") from a job in 2002. She told me how I needed those babies and blabbed about my supposed "biological clock" when she was the one who asked about my childed status and did not like the answer she received about me being childfree-by-choice. Of course, this child was a young moo who had to get married because the young husband had gotten her pregnant. Yet, she told me how I should live my life. I was 39 years old at the time...way too old for some teenager trying to give me life's advice!

"FUCK WORK"

The job market really sucks these days and you really need to stand out to even get an interview. I graduated from college 4 years ago, during the dot com bust and post 9/11 downturn. After applying to hundreds of jobs, I had 2 interviews and received 1 job offer. I went to a name school, had a good GPA, had internships, and knew how to use all the office programs, graphic design programs, and SPSS. My brother lived at home for six months after finishing law school because he had trouble finding a job. He went to a Tier 1 law school, had the requisite internships, and even was part of the Law Review. We've both moved out and have good careers, but I can tell you that finding a job is not that easy.

as theresa says, its easy when your 18 or 19, or whatever to think the world is simple, i have lived in this world for a almost twice your age,, i spent years working since i was 16, in a training scheme, then all through to my early 20's, experiencing life, and knowing how it feels to earn money it was a pitance..

i am highly trained, i have the skills, and the talent, but there in institutional sexism out there, where if your a man, your screwed.. now your brother may not want to be a realtor, he may feel he doesnt have the skills, if he did work for your dad then your dad would hold him to higher standards, standards that he may never make..

ok engaged at 18, your still very young, and studying, and working realty.. seems like you wouldnt have much time.. a lot of us on this board are older, and wiser, and have seen the world and how it really works..


my rose tinted world ended when i lost my job, for 15 months, it was a temporary contract(since they dont have to pay pension if its temporary).. and i was expected to teach my replacement, how to do my job.. just imagine teaching your replacement how to do the job you were good at.. and you end up unemployed.. so your dad bought you a condo at 15 or 16, that seems a little young to be a singed owner, they are usually put in a legal adults name, because you dont pay taxes on earnings (or at least i dont think americans do in the UK you dont until your an adult)..

so the loan you took out by yourself.. you needed collaterol, and possibly a cosigner because your young.. the 3 minimum wage jobs you had.. how long did you work them, say at 15 you got 1 job, and say it lasted a year, plus u were studying, plus you may have been engaged and doing realty.. then the next year and the next.. more of the same..

i can see you burning out,

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I think the worst ages for kids are baby through age 5, with the absolute worst being age 1-3. Those are bad ages because the kid is old enough to walk around and get into trouble and scream, but too young to articulate and understand what they are being told.

And Timsgirl, good for you for starting your own business at such a young age! You could have sat around the house doing nothing like your brother, but you chose to work hard and do something for yourself.

To everyone else: what's up with all the hatred and jealousy of someone who is financially stable and has a good relationship with her father? I have also been helped out financially on occasion by my parents over the years, and I can't understand why it's anyone else's business what my family - or TimsGirl's family - decides to do with their money.

Do you just hate all people who are not dirt-poor? Would you rather TimsGirl run around spending money and being a stupid party girl like Paris Hilton? At least she's working, for god's sake!

Theresa Wrote:
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>
> It is very easy to sit back and say "oh, others
> have done what I have done." Did you ever think
> you had support from parents that others do not?
> Not everyone knows what they want from life, even
> as they get older. They should not be penalized
> for this.

Nor should people be penalized for being able to afford to start their own business.

mercurior Wrote:
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>> and you have a fiance at age 15, well.. thats
> strange, most 15 year olds dont want to get
> married, they dont know what they want in life.
>

I don't think she's 15 anymore. 15 was her age when she started her business.

mercurior Wrote:
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>
> the other problem is, it could be that your
> brother is not given a chance, there is a lot of
> institutionalised sexism in the workplace today.
> he is looked down upon because he is male,

Where was all that reverse sexism when I was struggling in the workplace in my 20s? When I was turned down for retail management jobs and boys several years younger than me were picked? Or how about 2 years ago when a 24-year-old man was promoted over me despite having NO experience, and my new supervisor called me a "secretary" despite 8 years as a (non-secretarial) professional in my field?

I know that in some fields men are discriminated against, but everywhere I've ever worked (retail sales, finance, banking, law, the music industry, the film industry), it's still a man's world.

well i can see it in the UK, perhaps thats the difference..

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

mercurior Wrote:
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> well i can see it in the UK, perhaps thats the
> difference..

Hm...maybe you should move here and I should move there!