More on this healthcare stuff

I wanted to point out an interesting fact about medicine and healthcare and "self medication."

I self medicate. I order medicines from a reliable pharmacy in the uk, these are not scheduled drugs, but they are by "rx" only, wich basically means they aren't illegal to possess without a prescription. This includes medicines like high blood pressure pills, anti depressants, and stuff like that. I've found that as long as the place has a reliable reputation that its perfectly safe to order and have never had a problem.

Why am I mentioning this? Well, because I wanted to point out something really important here. In the rest of the west, EVERYONE gets healthcare, not just the breeders. In third world countries like India, Mexico, etc, no one gets healthcare without paying and there are no welfare systems for breeders. HOWEVER -- in third world countries, self-medication is allowed, as anyone who has ever been to a third world country will tell you, you can walk into a pharmacy and buy whatever medicines you want.

Now before anyone decries the system of self medication available in third world countries, let's examine what we have here in the states, which is BY FAR much more cruel and inhumane than the policy of the third world countries.

Here in the USA, socialized medicine is immediately and freely available to all breeders, and it's a fight, but also available to the disabled, if you can prove you are disabled and even then it's not anywhere near what the breeders get. Medicare for the elderly I do not consider socialized because we all have to pay into it with our social security.

If you can't afford healthcare or insurance in the USA, you are shit out of luck because you aren't allowed to "self medicate" either. How fucked up is that? If you live anywhere else in the west, there's really no need to self medicate because you can see a dr anytime you need it, in the third world countries, you may not be able to afford healthcare but at the very least, if you can scrape up some pennies, you can go to the pharmacy and self medicate.

ONLY IN THE USA do we have such a fucked up cruel system which not only denies certain people access to the socialized medicine that is already in place here, but also does not allow you to self medicate.

Now, I'm not saying self medication is a great thing or preferable to seeing a doctor, but fuck me sideways people, how fucking cruel is it to extort money from us for a socialized medicine system we are not allowed to use and then turn around and tell us we aren't allowed to treat ourselves either???!! Goddamned if I will go along with that shit.

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the uk has socialised medicine, its not as good as people think. its open to massive abuse. However the alternatives lead to pain and suffering

but i have a solution. it would solve most of the problems, nationalise the medical insurance industry, and everyone gets the basic care, if you want a better room, named brand pills and potions, you have to pay, that pay will subsidise the lower health care.

its not 100%. but its better than not having health care and letting people die if they dont have insurance. (its a typical capitalism). i beleive everyone should have the most basic health care, but get the other people to pay for it.

insurance companies make billions a year, whats to stop them funding small public run hospitals

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

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mercurior I agree with you all the way. And I've heard from friends in the rest of the west, like the uk that say their system isn't the best, but bloody hell, at least everyone gets at least SOME health care. Which is my point here -- I pay for the socialized medicine programs here in the states but I'm not allowed to use any of them. I'm also NOT ALLOWED to self medicate either. But fuck that, until non scheduled drugs become a crime to possess without a prescription, I will self medicate, I will buy my necessary medicines and SELF MEDICATE, and I'll be goddamned if anyone is going to stop me, short of going to jail.

i can see bad points to both, and good points as well.. a combination of the 2 would make it better, but.. will the government do it no.. they get money from the pharmacutical companies, to fund their election..

swings and roundabouts.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

It's a bit out of topic, but still related to health care:
My best friend is in England. Despite the fact that she is trying very hard to conceive with her husband, I cherish her. She totally understands me and even sent me cf books. She used her first try on IVF which failed. I know she has a second try for free which is covered by the UK gvmnt. I told her, maybe Nature is trying to tell her it's not for her. Secretely, I've been wishing she stays childless, otherwise, I'll see even less of her.

Hey, we have self medication opportunities here in the US. It's called alcohol and illicit drugs.

but for how much longer, not they stopped smoking, drinking will be next i guarentee it

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I think it is the ULTIMATE in entitlement and selfishness to expect the government or your health insurance carrier to pay for IVF and other fertility treatments.

If you can't afford to pay for the treatments on your own, how, in FUCKS sake, do you think you will afford that almighty BAYBEE????????

They won't stop the smoking, or the drinking, or the shooting, or the snorting, because they can not stop the natural human drive to alter one's consciousness, or sooth the aches and pains (mental or physical) of daily life. People will always figure out a way to get messed up.

Considering how stupid most people in this country are, not to mention the "HOLY FUCK CLEAN IT UP SPARKLY!!!" culture, I sure as hell wouldn't trust them with antibiotics and shit (I mean, these are people who watch commercials that tell them to clean up a JUICE SPILL with BLEACH WIPE).

Otherwise, let them fuck themselves up, see if I care, I just don't want to hear whining about vicodin overdoses and shit.

That said, though, while I support socialized medical care for all...considering how crappy even paid insurance coverage is, I can't imagine how shitty the free kind will be. Health insurance already doesn't pay jack or shit, so I'm sure free medical care will be even worse...probably bullshit like "no going to the hospital unless you're seriously dying, and even then all we'll pay for is 80% of a band-aid to staunch the bleeding from the blood-gushing stump that used to be your arm."

I am so sick of this. Why is it so difficult for a politician to say "Everyone should have access to decent, basic, health care. Everyone, adults, children, children with adults, adults without children, EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF AGE." It's not like adults without children have some magical super health and will never get sick or injured.

Obviously, all of these programs have their pros and cons and are open to abuse, but do you know what the shittiest health care of all is? NONE, which is what millions of single, child free, tax-paying adults get in the U.S., and people DIE because of it.

During the worst mental and physical health issues I had about a decade ago, I had NO health insurance. You know what? It sucked, and I live in terror of returning to that. I spent several months on a waiting list for the free mental health center and eventually got bumped to the front because if I didn't get that, I'd have been thrown in an institution for "my safety" after a suicide attempt, which may not have happened had I the opportunity to access any care when I first realized I needed it. I had to beg, plead, and have an assload of lack of income proof to qualify for the hospital's community care program when I had to "have this surgery or go blind", because I was a single female with no children. I had a friend with no insurance die from untreated strep when his throat swelled shut simply because he had no access to health care beyond the emergency room, and didn't feel his it was bad enough to justify the 2,000+ dollar bill for an emergency room visit, or even the several hundred dollars were he to find a doctor who would have seen him earlier in his infection.

I think it's ridiculous too. I mean, come on...why do only kids get insurance? I mean, okay, yeah, I feel sorry for a kid whose parent can't afford to take it to the doctor because that's definitely not the kid's fault, but it's not always the PARENT'S fault either. And shouldn't we keep these folks healthy so they can keep going to work and making whatever money they DO make, and so they can care for the kid and shit?

But really, this stuff makes me think "uh, so who has more value to society, a kid who only uses resources or an adult who pays taxes and makes contributions to society?" (whether it's searching for a cure for cancer or making sure we can all have our Whoppers at lunchtime--no matter, they're still accomplishing SOMETHING more than going to daycare).

K12144, I've always thought the same thing. I would think that the government would want the "worker bees" [single and married folks w/o kids] to be as healthy as possible so they can work as much and as long as possible, so the government can continue taking as much of their revenue as possible -- so shouldn't they be the #1 priority, since the system depends on them?

Stephanie Wrote:
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> K12144, I've always thought the same thing. I
> would think that the government would want the
> "worker bees" to be as healthy as possible so
> they can work as much and as long as possible, so
> the government can continue taking as much of
> their revenue as possible -- so shouldn't they be
> the #1 priority, since the system depends on them?


Stefanie, it would be nice if politicians from either side thought this way but they don't. Both sides play the fucking "family values" card despite the family being the most dangerous place for most people. Most violence happens in the family rather than random stranger violence. Government always has encouraged breeding to keep up their numbers and to produce little worker bees for the State.

Feh, what happened to you scares me the most as my health insurance is 'Pray that I do not get Sick'. Even on many jobs, the health benefits are not the greatest or it is cost prohibitive to take due to the lower salary. Housing, food, utilities, and transportation come first. It IS terrifying to think of an institution for treatment due to a mental health issue if a person has no health insurance for adequate treatment. And...to know you could have gone blind because it is harder to get Medicaid or other county services unless a person is a out-of-wedlock breeder on the dole. My stepbrother got a needed knee surgery back in the early '80s. My late grandmother was good at navigating the system and got him on Medicaid despite him being a single male with no dependents. I am certain this man would have major problems with that leg today had it not been for Grandma's smarts.