"alienated" moos :wtf

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breakstuff
Moo will come back to the workforce at the same place she left, essentially an associate, probably making about the same 60k she started at.

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Dorisan
Something I noticed was that the article focused on highly educated women:

Suzie, a former finance manager
Irene, a mom of twins in New York and former pediatric neurosurgeon
Sarah, an architect in New York
Rachel, an advertising executive and mom of two
Elaine, a librarian mom of one
Erin, a former high school teacher

I'm not surprised that they are frustrated, babies and kids have basic needs that don't take a hell of a lot of brains to figure out. It's not like the moos are studying Chaucer. Jeezuz

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What I see is a lot of brain power being wasted on changing shitty diapers and dealing with meltdowns. I don't know why they bothered with an education if their intention was to drop out and deal with brats.

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breakstuff
Moo will come back to the workforce at the same place she left, essentially an associate, probably making about the same 60k she started at.

It's more than that. There's a scarring effect from being out of the workplace, which has been known since at least the 70s, which means that someone who takes time out of the workforce for whatever reason (illness, unemployment, breeding) will earn less than someone with the same amount of work experience who didn't take time off, and this effect will persist for the rest of the career, not just for a short while where it might be assumed that skills are out of date and being re-learned. It's thought that this is a signaling effect; by taking time out of the workplace, the person signals less commitment to the career.

This is one of the reasons that I think that femoonists are screwing themselves over (and the rest of women) with demands for long maternity leave. Demands for paternity leave only extend the screwed factor to all breeders. Not only because it's fair for the workplace to support all personal choices equally, but also because it is actually in their own interests, breeders ought to support the idea of "personal life sabbaticals" for all. When taking a break from work for a while is completely normalized because almost everyone does it, taking time off to have children won't bring such a penalty. I envision it as a sort of time bank that is independent of employer, so that this doesn't burden small businesses.

Of course CF women would be the biggest winners, because we'd stop being perceived as less capable because we're likely to take time off, without ever actually getting the perks of paid time off!

But really, equality, not entitlement, is best for everyone. In their rush for privilege, breeders just cannot see these figures as the consequences of their actions, but as yet another thing they should be compensated for.

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breakstuff
Moo will come back to the workforce at the same place she left, essentially an associate, probably making about the same 60k she started at.

It's more than that. There's a scarring effect from being out of the workplace, which has been known since at least the 70s, which means that someone who takes time out of the workforce for whatever reason (illness, unemployment, breeding) will earn less than someone with the same amount of work experience who didn't take time off, and this effect will persist for the rest of the career, not just for a short while where it might be assumed that skills are out of date and being re-learned. It's thought that this is a signaling effect; by taking time out of the workplace, the person signals less commitment to the career.

This is one of the reasons that I think that femoonists are screwing themselves over (and the rest of women) with demands for long maternity leave. Demands for paternity leave only extend the screwed factor to all breeders. Not only because it's fair for the workplace to support all personal choices equally, but also because it is actually in their own interests, breeders ought to support the idea of "personal life sabbaticals" for all. When taking a break from work for a while is completely normalized because almost everyone does it, taking time off to have children won't bring such a penalty. I envision it as a sort of time bank that is independent of employer, so that this doesn't burden small businesses.

Of course CF women would be the biggest winners, because we'd stop being perceived as less capable because we're likely to take time off, without ever actually getting the perks of paid time off!

But really, equality, not entitlement, is best for everyone. In their rush for privilege, breeders just cannot see these figures as the consequences of their actions, but as yet another thing they should be compensated for.

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yurble
This is one of the reasons that I think that femoonists are screwing themselves over (and the rest of women) with demands for long maternity leave. Demands for paternity leave only extend the screwed factor to all breeders. Not only because it's fair for the workplace to support all personal choices equally, but also because it is actually in their own interests, breeders ought to support the idea of "personal life sabbaticals" for all. When taking a break from work for a while is completely normalized because almost everyone does it, taking time off to have children won't bring such a penalty. I envision it as a sort of time bank that is independent of employer, so that this doesn't burden small businesses.

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stillwaters
Sooo... the gist of the article is that moo gave up every aspect of her life to be a mawm, but she's pissed that people actually treat her as though she gave up every aspect of her life to be a mawm?
:Violin

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“Taking care of kids all day is the hardest job I’ve ever had!” exclaims Suzie, a former finance manager and mom of two in Massachusetts.

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“It’s the feeling that you’ve lost your self, somehow, and everything that you were before,” she shares. And this, as we all know too well, is a crucial element to feeling balanced, and to living a full, healthy, and happy life.

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“You so quickly lose all sense of identity of the adult you were before becoming a mom,” agrees Sarah, an architect in New York who stayed home for six years with her two kids.

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Many stay-at-home moms feel even more alienated because they lose touch with their adult networks, which further separates them from the people they were before, and from their more balanced, personal selves.