These are the results of CLW (Child Led Weaning).............(stories from moomie blogs)

1)"Any other boob obsessed kids out there?

My almost 5 year old has become boob obsessed. She is constantly trying to touch my breast all day long. She will snuggle up to me and start to rub my breast and trigger this very yuck feeling. She thinks it's really funny. She has discovered her own nipples and will rub and pinch them frequently.The word "nipple" comes out of her mouth 8 million times a day, sometimes completely out of context.

Please reassure me that this is normal and will pass. It's making me nuts! Could these be signs that I am putting to much pressure on her to wean? (Oh, please no. I'm being so gentle.)"
(NO, she isn't putting ENOUGH pressure on her. She should have weaned this little monstor which she have created YEARS ago. It's utterly ridiculous for a 5 y/o to be doing this shit.)


2)".., my son who nursed until the week of his 5th birthday still reaches down my shirt sometimes to feel my breasts and especially at night likes to put his face by my boobs. he is now almost 7. i think he just has a good relationship with my body and me and takes comfort in being close to the source of what was his nourishment and love for so long....."
("especially at NIGHT"? "his hands down her shirt", feeling her up? I suppose he still co sleeps. I am sorry, but at age SEVEN a boy should NOT have a "relationship" with his mother's body)


3)"One of my boys went through a long stretch of being boob obsessed and it finally seems to be winding down..... Just before he turned 4, he decided started patting and groping my breasts and saying "Gugga". When it started at home, I thought it was really sweet. Then he did it in public. I was mortified. I don't think there is any thing wrong with it, but the public lack of knowledge about EN(extended nursing) and the average person's view of breast as sexual objects worried me that someone might think there was something inappropriate going on with us........ It is sad that I feel I have to curtail my LO's natural love of my breasts based on what society thinks, but I didn't see any other option."
mom2threenurslings
(Well, if you insist on being a perv, perhaps peer pressure will "curtail" you from exposing the rest of us to your strange fetish', and "Gugga"? What IS this kyd, a caveman?)


5)"It might not stop at weaning. Sorry. My kids have long since weaned and they still love my breasts. My daughter comes up and SNIFFS them multiple times a day.I often let them know that I feel like it's an invasion of my personal space and hug them instead. They usually knock it off when I ask."
(The kyd SNIFFS her tits? OMFG that's gross as hell)


6)Her boob obsession is making me gag. I am doing CLW, and tandeming with her 3 mo. old brother. When he nurses, it is just so sweet, but when she has the kind of day (like today) where ALL she wants to do is fondle and twiddle, and nurse, it makes me want to BARF. I seriously tried all day to tell her that this is my body, and to please stop. I stood up, I walked away, I redirected, I offered substitutes, I read all the books in the house to her, I tried to feed her tomatoes from the garden...I finally burst into tears! Then she pats me on the arm and tells me its ok, not to cry...and tries to fondle me again! When my DH got home I handed the kids over and locked myself in our room.....
I am seriously at the point of cold turkey with her, and she can CIO."
("At the point"? That kyd should have been weaned and left to CIO a long long long time ago)


7)"Dd, almost 4, is all about them. Wants to feel my "soft and pinchy" nipples, snuggle the "nummie" and shoves her hand up the straps or short sleeves over my shoulder and into the chest area, giggling deliriously all the while. Just obsessed with 'em. Sometimes I set a boundary when she's clearly doing it as a test (when my poor mainstream mother is at dinner with us, at a restaurant, for example), and say something like "Please respect my body and give me some space." This is verbage we have discussed before and she knows the context, so usually she's reasonable about it."
(ABSOULTELY ABSURD. She "usuallY" is "reasonable"? She should have no choice and should NOT be reasoned with about this but told NO!!!and often and as sternly as possible)


8)"The creepy feeling is the worst! It can be so hard to want to meet the needs of your child but have to insist on your right to your own body at the same time. I too have had to get up and leave the room to stop my almost 5 year old from groping me. She thinks it's so funny to trigger that "Ahhhh!" feeling. She also does this weird babyish thing sometimes which is just the worst. It is like her baby talk just goes straight to the nursing agitation spot in my brain and triggers all of the uncomfortable feelings I have. It is so much easier to deal with her need to nurse and touch when she relates to me as her almost 5 year old self."
Mama Poot
Banned for talking smutty, sex does not exist on MDC
(This "creepy feeling" she has is nature's way of warning her that this is unnatural and incestuous. The kyd is acting "babyish" because that's how she is treated and allowed to act. Why can't they SEE this?" Oh, I see, the whore was banned for talking "smutty", maybe even THEY think she is a pervert)

9)"I've lost count of how many times a day Henri nurses. Its at least 8, maybe 10 or more depending on millions of things (is he sick, hungry, tired, bored, getting picked on by Paddy, etc etc) He has no qualms about feeling me up, or rubbing his hands up and down my arms, stroking my face, it really gets to be too much-I'm not even that touchy feely with DH! Then he gets really excited and shouts "Milky! Mama milk!" jumps up and down, runs around, tackles me and stuffs his face into my breasts. Oh and any attractive woman with large cleavage he sees on television is "Mama". (which is weird because my boobs are average and I don't consider myself to be attractive, but boobs=mama) So far he only refers to them as "milky", and I'm hoping he doesn't pick up any cutesie words like "boobies" or "titties" or anything equally obnoxious"
( I have no words which could adequately depict my disgust for this one)


10)"`It's driving me crazy! Seemingly, she cannot stop herself- I see the gleam in her eye before she does it. I have trouble cuddling with her without her try to touch my breasts and that's what bothers me the most. I miss the closeness with her, but I cannot handle the unwelcome touching. And yes, she tries to touch me in public too, especially when she is uncomfortable. Redirecting does not work. She is obsessed."
(Ridiculous and completely unnecessary. If the touching is "unwelcome" then she should put an IMMEDIATE stop to it, yesterday)


While all of these are unbelievably disgusting, I think that #6 where the kyd's unwanted advances sends moomie running to her room in tears, and #9 with pervert in training/sexual predator in the making/future rapist "Henri", tie for first place in the gross and completely unnecessary category. These women need to take a step back, look at the situation, and put a STOP to this nonsense while there still may be a chance for their kyds to act normal. Since they are 4-7 years old and pulling this shit, it may already be too late. One day "Henri" may very well be an anti-social sexist pig at best, or a serial rapist at worst.

I find it disgusting that any woman would allow a brat to dictate when it's time to to get said brat off the tit. These women are creating their own hell. These stupid Moo bitches need a good hard slap upside the head. They are ALLOWING these kids to dictate to them....since when does a 4-7 year old make decisions?

So some moo figures out that this stuff is sick and incestuous? Give the lady a stuffed toy! Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand that the sort of contact these moos are permitting is WRONG! Just proves that moos are stupid cows.

They're getting off on it, plain and simple - I don't care how much they "protest". If they really wanted it to stop, they would push the fucking brats away, once and for all!

They're the ones who are obsessed with their own boobs to begin with, and they loooooove the positive reinforcement. And now they're raising future pervs and molesters.

I do know that a hormone is released when nursing occurs that is supposed to induce a pleasurable feeling, so you are probably right. They're pushing Duh away with all the tit feeding and co-sleeping, so I guess that Moo has to get her jollies somehow. Sick and disgusting.

It sends a chill down my spine how much these women are flattered by their children's sexual attention. And oh yes it is sexual.

They're pretending to be tired, embarrassed or grossed-out by what their kids are doing, but that's a lie. If they really were fed up with it, they'd smack their kids' chunky little hands away and tell them to fuck off back to Seseme Street. But no. Instead, they go online to brag about how much their so-called baybees 'need' their bodies.

Children between the ages of 4 and 6 do start to form thoughts of gender, then reproduction, and then rudimentary sex. That's why it's damaging for this revolting suckling activity to carry on past the age when they start walking around.

For a four year old, gnawing on mommy's breast IS sex. It's not nourishment, it's not closeness or comfort, it is getting into the realms of "I'll touch this hidden part of your body and you can touch mine" sort of secret activity that kids at that age start to giggle about with each other in the treehouse after school. It makes me sick to think mommies want to play some kind of part in this aspect of kiddie developmental behaviour.

There are so many cases where these cows claim their child is 'laughing hysterically' when they're trying to molest mommy. That's a child's way of manipulating her to play along -- emotional blackmail in its simplest form -- "Look mommy I'm having soooo much fun and I'm laughing sooooo hard having a great time plunging my hand into your bra, c'mon and play along with me!!!" These stupid cows are too thick to read this from their kid and decide what's appropriate -- and to smack their hand and shout 'NO!' -- that they just sit there like lumps letting their kid do whatever they want to them, fearful that any adverse reaction will make their kid 'maaaaad'.

They are mentally ill. All of 'em.

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"The death of creativity is a pram in the hallway"
- Cyril Connolly

That SHOULD put tit-Nazis, La Leche League, and PETA in THEIR place.

The whole fantasy of tits giving off supermilk and love, love, looove to the tiny tots is finally getting out of hand.

So if those dumb moos DON'T do something about it, we will have a whole generation of panting boobaholic perverts of BOTH genders on our hands!

Ugh, like Amethyst it gives me the chills to read this story. It's sick to let one's personal space be sexually violated any old time--ugh!! Ugh! When the kids start getting older than about a year it gets more and more icky. Who would let even their adult partner paw them all over, stick hands into clothing, &c., any old time, without mutual consent? Sick.

Oh, and I love how over and over again on these boards one sees "I'm not comfortable with it in public even I know that most people are uneducated/old-fashioned/out of date/prudish/ignorant..." as if some stupid moo is smarter than the average person. It's condescending, as if EVERYONE OUT THERE doesn't have a clue and she and her La Leche titsisters are the only enlightened ones. Gimme a break. Guess she has to put down people with normal reactions to public groping so she can continue to enjoy it. Ugh.

I'd love to see all these bitches put soundly in their place. I heard this tit-feeding shit from my mother, who BTW never gave birth. Even in my youth I found the whole idea NAUSEATING and the thought of kids who are ambulatory being allowed to sexually molest their mothers is even moreso.

What has to happen for society to wake up and see that there is something very wrong with these women AND their kids? Does a kid have to attempt rape for people to WAKE THE FUCK UP and do something?

I am sick to death of being in public and seeing some moo whip out her tit when and wherever. If she would show some modesty by covering herself and loaf with a scarf or shawl I could live with it. But no-o-o-o-o-o, moo has to flop our her ugly, swollen udder for the world to see. "Look at me! I'm an Earth Mother, Moo Goddess, able to feed the sacred baybee from my own bodeeeee!" I'd really like to see public titfeeding outlawed altogether, but in the real world I know it is unlikely to happen.

I could hardly stand to read this. It's just sick. That funny little feeling these moos are getting is that same funny little feeling everyone with a conscience gets when they know they're doing something wrong. These moos certainly don't know how to let their conscience be their guide. How could they with their brat controlling everything?!

This is the reason child-controlled households are just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! It is the parent's job to guide and raise the child, not for the little fucker to have everything revolve around it.

Sure the funny feeling these moos get is a sign of the conscience attempting to kick in. But moo simply sublimates it to some ridiculous idea that the child knows best. The kid doesn't know SHIT, ladies! And apparently you don't have the brains nature gives the most dimwitted of mammals! Any animal knows the time to wean its young and does so with no choice on the part of the offspring. Child-led weaning? Not in the natural world, girls! Look at the animal world if you want to see what is normal and natural.

The older I get, the more abnormal breeders seem and the more sensible the childfree clearly are. I'm glad I remained CF.

MerlynHerne Wrote:
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> The older I get, the more abnormal breeders seem
> and the more sensible the childfree clearly are.
> I'm glad I remained CF.


That's one reason (of many) I'm CF -- I'd be afraid for my own children! If I had a boy, I'd be afraid that he'd marry a kid raised with AP, GD, EB and all of that other shit; and I'd have to watch his life unravel into a living hell of breederdom, and I wouldn't be able to feel sympathy because he'd made his own bed. If I had a girl, I'd be afraid that she'd become one of those insane moos who practiced all of that shit, and there's no way I'd be able to respect her as a person.

How in the hell ANYONE could respect any woman stupid enough to get mixed up in the alphabet soup swamp that constitutes modern childrearing is beyond me. I know I certainly can't respect them.

I don't see the point of reproducing but I do know a few people who try to be decent parents and aren't into all this bullshit and I can at least respect them for trying even if I don't approve.

However the overwhelming majority of the idiots now shitting out loaves are just sick, pitiable, PATHETIC excuses for human beings. They raise spawn who are even more fucked-up than they are and every bit as ignorant. Do these idiot bitches know or care that we are the laughingstock of the developed world when it comes to scientific literacy? People laugh at us for even ENTERTAINING the idea that creationism should be taught in the public TAX SUPPORTED school system!! No, they're too busy using GD and trying to enforce EB. These idiots are the ones who want to mandate public policy by forcing fundamentalist Christianity down everyone else's throats. More and more we are being considered a buch of backwards yahoos, with good reason. And with moo bitches like these being a continuing part of the problem it is only going to get worse.

Let's all remember a very important point about this breast-feed-em-till-their-10 nonsense, like the "elimination communication" (diaperless brat that shits all over the place), both of these "parenting techniques" come from the... (and don't get pissed at me here, because I know the liberal people here do not think like this) limousine liberal worship of the turd werld. Everything turd werld is righteous and good, and everything western is bad. And really, that's just how simplistic these morons think. All of these horrendous techniques are adopted from third world practices.

As a matter of fact, and I'm not doing a google search on this for a link because I don't want to accidently run into any child porn, but I have heard about a turd werld community, and I don't know right off the bat where I read about this or what country, I think in latin america, where it is a cultural custom to masturbate your chyldrun. No I'm not kidding. I can't remember why exactly they do this, but I do remember some drooling limo liberal idiot defending them even though "we'd never do that here, but its ok in the context of their culture." Yeah right.
We can't be "cultural imperialists" and call it WRONG, now can we?

Yeah,I heard about this crap with masturbating kids back in the 70s. Just gross and sick, I don't care where it comes from!

This shit with the moos may have started with the limosine liberals, but the bible-banging ignoramus moos seem to be taking it up quite enthusiastically. I have no use for any of it, but it is a sad fact that the fundies are trying to rule this country and a way must be found to muzzle them.

MerlynHerne Wrote:
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> Yeah,I heard about this crap with masturbating
> kids back in the 70s. Just gross and sick, I don't
> care where it comes from!
>
> This shit with the moos may have started with the
> limosine liberals, but the bible-banging ignoramus
> moos seem to be taking it up quite
> enthusiastically. I have no use for any of it, but
> it is a sad fact that the fundies are trying to
> rule this country and a way must be found to
> muzzle them.

BINGO. Yep the bible bleating moos have also embraced this shit... but that's a pretty recent thing, used to be only the "Mother Jones" crowd.
If the bible bleating moos knew this came out of "heathen" third world practices, they'd shit. It's so mainstream now to do this extended BF and elimination communication.

This just shows that these broodcows are "monkey see, monkey do". However, in all fairness, I babysat for many crucnhy granola types in college in the 70s and I never saw any shit like what is going on now. I mean, moo hired a sitter if they went out, had formula in bottles and a can of powder handy if I needed it. Yeah they cooked food and ground it up in the blender, but hey, OK whatever...this shit coming down these days is from flat out fucking PSYCHOS!

You know, just when I thought I heard everything, these moos and their disgusting BF managed to shock me.

I'm ready to lose the wonderful breakfast I made.

Yep, just when you thought that it couldn't POSSIBLY get any more gross, disgusting, or flat-out nauseating with these moos, it does.

This infant masturbation someone mentioned is apparently something that some of the extended breast feeders do, but are in the closet about it for OBVIOUS reasons. There have been several topics started about it on moomie sites with headers like, "Is rubbing the baby wrong if it's for his relaxation and not sexual? So of course I would immediately click on it and it would give a message like, "UNDER REVIEW", or "removed due to content", or "removed as it violates the user agreement", etc.......So, some of them do that as well and I think there is NO DOUBT that is pedophilia. They can get away with the titty sex they do in the name of "nourishment for the baybee", but I don't hardly see how society would condone their "rubbing" baybee, or worse.

They already pay an inordinate amount of attention to their kyds' genitalia with the worrying about the boys' foreskin and asking questions about putting oil on it, pushing it back, cleaning it etc....when it SHOULD be self explanatory how to bathe a baybee, don't they have a husband who could answer these questions? There was one who said her kyd didn't have an adequate cooter opening and how she would massage it with baby oil at diaper times so it would open up. Maybe some of these are innocent questions, but I have this sickening gut feeling that it's pedophilia, plain and simple and they are looking for confirmation that it's "ok" to do these things to their baybees and toddlers, and it's almost ALWAYS a boy too.

I didn't google it for the same reasons. I don't care to see any kiddie porn and I sure don't want that shit inadvertantly logged on my IP address. However, it DOES go on and to what extent I can only imagine.

Kim you have got to be kidding me.


I had no idea that some of these moos would be doing this... I guess if they're capable of making braised brat in a car left in 100 degree weather, or BFing till age 15, or whatever, that the molesting wouldn't be too far behind.

Everything we've made progress in the past 200 years, sanitation, child psychology, etc and the moos want to take it back to the dark ages. You know that in the turd werld the average age to start sex is 8, I believe. So after turd werld moo is done BFing till and elimination communicating at age 7, then masturbating the brat until they are "ready for sex" starts, by that time they're 8-10 yrs old and pregnant by 11 or 12.

Not only are all of these practices sick as fuck, extended BFing, elimination communication and moo "rubbing" the brat, but it's clear in my timeline for the average turd werld child why population is so fucking out of control, one of the reasons, the kids never get to be kids!!

I think parents doing sexual things with their kids -- their infants even -- is very, very common. And it's not about out-and-out incest, but more about that super-sensual 'I could just eat him all up!' drooling, smokey-eyed ardour that mothers have for their kids. And they cloak their behaviour in a lot of different guises because they get a funny feeling it's wrong but they're not prepared to restrain themselves because they like the idea of 'owning' their kidlings.

Everything from breastfeeding to co-sleeping, to the husband being made sexually redundant, to the irrepressable jealousy and obsessiveness that mothers admit to, to the question of wanking off their own kids -- only the hormonally-pure CF can really stand back and see that it's somehow all about sex.

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"The death of creativity is a pram in the hallway"
- Cyril Connolly

I just skimmed through some sections on mothering.com and kellymom under co-sleeping, toddler, and kid health sections, and here are some examples of what I am talking about. These are the ones that they ALLOWED to be posted and I think they are borderline pedophilia at worst and baybee genitalia obsession at best. Like I said though, these could be innocent questions, but I just get the heebie jeebies when I run across this shit.

1) "17mo erections at night waking him up
He has them all the time! I am in the process of ordering him some new diapers ,next size up but is there anything else I can do? It's terrible, he wakes up squirming and crying and doesnt feel better until I open his diaper for him..."

2)"My son who is 21 months has been particularly interested in his penis lately...pulling at it, poking at it, pulling back the foreskin. I haven't been concerned...in fact, I encourage this behavior since it's obviously healthy for people to self-explore. I figured if it it hurt him to pull back his foreskin then he wouldn't do it, right? Well today after several bouts of self-exploration for the last few weeks he started crying after he peed in his toilet. I laid him down to put his diaper back on and noticed that there was something strange about his penis. I looked closer and pulled his foreskin back a very tiny, little bit just to see what was going on and it made him jump and cry even louder I noticed that the area under his foreskin was very red and irritated......"
(Then she gets advice from experienced moomies to rub oil on it)

3)"I just got back from DD's 6 month checkup, and her pediatrician informed me that she has a closed vaginal opening. He said he used to prescribe estrogen cream to thin the skin so it would open up, but no longer does because it often can be corrected on its own. Anyone else every hear of this?"

experienced moos respond
"My youngest dd had it, and her pedi said to just gently pull it open a bit with every diaper change...... I used petroleum jelly on a wet wipe and just very gently pulled at it a bit with diaper changes, not enough to bother her....."

and THIS one
"just found out that my daughter has that too. I think as long as urine can pass, then she is fine. My doc. told me it should go away on its own. I hope so!! I might try the massaging thing now that someone suggested it."



sThese were a few floating at the top of the barrel, but there are lots more posts about their kyds' genitalia. The doctor TELLS them to leave the kyds' genitals alone, especially the ones who tug on non circumsized boys, and like this little girl with the partially closed cooter, WHY won't they keep their HANDS OFF these kyds' privates? It's just not natural to be so concerned about a chyld's privates and to do all of this unnecessary poking, prodding, and rubbing on of oils. It's also unusual/strange for a mother to "encourage" a 21 month old boy to play with himself too. It's extremely gross to me that they co-sleep with these kyds and of course breastfeed them, when they are'nt messing around with their genitals.

Amethyst Wrote:
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> I think parents doing sexual things with their
> kids -- their infants even -- is very, very
> common. And it's not about out-and-out incest, but
> more about that super-sensual 'I could just eat
> him all up!' drooling, smokey-eyed ardour that
> mothers have for their kids. And they cloak their
> behaviour in a lot of different guises because
> they get a funny feeling it's wrong but they're
> not prepared to restrain themselves because they
> like the idea of 'owning' their kidlings.
>

Once when I was still living with my parents, my mother and I were watching tv and a commercial came on for diapers and it showed bare baybee bums. I commented on how seeing baybee butts disgusts me, and my mother replied something like 'oh baybee's bums are sooo cute!! I used to kiss yours and your brother's when you were babies!!'

This grossed me out so I responded by standing up and aiming my butt in the direction of her face, and said 'alright then, kiss it!!'. She was like 'oh nooo, that's gross!!'. I replied, 'Why? I'm still your baybee, aren't I?'. Then she started up the whole, 'oh it's not the same...'. Funny that, I'm still her daughter and therefore still her 'baby', but suddenly my ass isn't cute enough anymore to be kissed... Not that I actually wanted her to of course, I was just trying to prove my point!

Good God, women playing with their kyds' dicks and cooters (pardon my French) is just f'ing inexcusable. It sounds like they haven't outgrown the "playing doctor" stage.s

True story: up till he was about 6 or so, one of my nephews used to hump the floor. Not just by himself, but in front of family and friends. His parents tried to tell him it's okay to do that in private, but not otherwise. A lot of good that did! Yeah, his grandparents really enjoyed watching that! That kind of shit just creeps me out.

P.S. have the boys circumcized already! It won't kill them...although it will warp their fragile little minds because they aren't "intact"!:spin

Yanno, I hear a lot of this crap in the gay male community with these 'uncut' guys carrying on about not being 'intact'. I think it's riculous and personally, for hygenic reasons alone, I think the procedure should be done.

Moos, escecially, seem to have an awfully unhealthy interest in their babybees' genitals. Unless the babybee expresses real discomfort, it can probably be left alone. Yeah, you have to clean the penis thoroughly but that isn't what these women seem to be talking about. I think there is probably some unhealthy element to their interest.