1297 Sprogs in Bars

I don't know which is more annoying: the baybee stalking or the fact that some dumb duh had his sperm loaf waddling through a non-baybee friendly area. What an asshole. I'm glad you frowned on that and he left. Fucking idiot, probably hoping everyone would stop to coo at his ugly child. A good drop kick to the head is more like it.

I have child-induced tourettes. It's a serious medical condition.

A little drift here:

aren't you guys getting tired of what is happening w/ what I guess I will call "modern bars" now? Every new bar in my 'hood, or remodeled one, always has a bunch of tables, more suited to eating than just drinking and an expanded menu, so it is more of a restaurant w/ liquor or with a bar included instead of just a bar. It is like every neighborhood bar now wants to look like Benningans (smaller or course) or Chili's or Sports yuppie bar-ish. It is not a bar anymore, or even a bar that happens to serve food. It is almost like they want to make the bar secondary. I see this more and more especially after a certain hood was dry or semi-dry, and they vote to make it wet. It is like a compromise to get the liquor license. "Well, slezy bars aren't opening, eateries are and its nice to have a beer w/ your famblee, so bring them!!!!

Then they end up attracting famblees, especially w/ small children, whether this is on purpose or by accident. No famblee goes to the corner diner (even one's that happen to serve beer, we have a few in Chicago) or Denny's anymore. They go out to these psuedo-bars to eat, because they "need" a drink I guess. My parents didn't get a drink in front of the kids every time we went out to eat. (This also makes me wonder what message they send the kids who are exposed to drinking and bars a lot more often than before and w/ the treatment that is totally acceptable.)

So for the people who are there to drink, flirt, swear, even eat a little and have an adult time, that becomes impossible. There's highchairs, screaming, crying, whining, throwing silverware to the floor. The toadlers wander, run and their parunts just passively follow them around. And of course, there is no smoking allowed (I'm a non-smoker). But where do adults get to be w/ adults w/o the squalling famblee life (that some are probably trying to dodge in the first place) and just get to act like adults? If I wanted to watch toadlers wander w/ glazed-over moos following them, I'd go to a family party, and if I wanted crying and bad table manners, I would go to Chuckie Cheese.

Why can adults have something to themselves? why do breeders and brats have to take everything away from the adults? I don't go to Chucy Cheese and demand peace and quiet and chugg a beer and start making out w/ my SO.

Have you noticed these psuedo-bars in your 'hoods in metropolitian areas?

Yep...

The place with the best beer selection in Burlington, VT, might as well be a McDonaldland playground during peak times.

(American Flatbread, if you're visiting... The beer IS good, just leave if it's packed, that's all.)

A couple of months ago I had a sprog crawl between my bar stool and the bar. (I'm not making this up.)

I put my feet down on the rail, and the sprog proceeded to crawl through the legs of my bar stool. I glanced over at the moo like, "WTF?", and she reeled in her widdle pweshus.

I should add that I'd *love* to bring my dog into a bar. She'd curl up under my table and wait for a french fry or two every once in a while. But noooooooo. Can't have that, can we?

You are so right about eveything turning into a FAMBLEE friendly establishment. I hate it. Regardless of whether or not you are "at the bar" the pahrunts want to bring in their squalling loaves and expect everyone to "behave" so as not to offend little Shitford.

Give me the local corner hole in the wall or a good biker bar and I'm happy as a pig in mud.

I refuse to patronize any chain establishments for this reason. Bennigans, Chili's, etc. They all cater to Breeder America.

I have noticed this *psuedo-bar* thing, too. I've seen a few old hangouts go to piss when they made them more *famblee-friendly*.

Also, what is this shit with micro-brewpubs having highchairs and brat menus? When you spend tens of thousands of dollars on brewing equipment, and make hand-crafted beers, why would you want to turn the place into Chuck E. Fucking Cheese? Last I checked, beer is for ADULTS, and a place tht prides itself on hand-crafted beers should be aimed at said adults, not the famblee crowd.

Besides, most breeders don't give two shits about good beer. I worked at a brewpub years ago...this one didn't have a brat menu. Yet sometimes the Breedersons would come in, and bitch about not only the lack of a brat menu, but the fact that they couldn't get a Bud Lite. The place where I worked sold only the beers that they made on the premises.

So WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY THERE??? Aren't there enough fucking places for them to go and get what they want? Go the fuck to Crapplebee's if you want Bud Lite and brat food. And leave the bars and brewpubs to those who appreciate them!

As far as I know, the place I worked at still does NOT have a brat menu, which is good. But it pisses me off that other microbrewery/bar owners would cater to the famblee contingent at all. Do they really need this customer base to survive? Why would they WANT these customers in the first place? Why alienate the CF, as well as parents who actually bother to get sitters so they can go to an ADULT place? I fail to see how catering to the famblees is more profitable than catering to an all-adult clientele. Breeders are forever trying to get free shit for their brats, make a dogawful mess, are lousy tippers, and as such, drive away the GOOD customers.

I am willing to bet the rent that in many cases, the check total for me and Catdaddy at a brewpub is higher than that of a famblee of four at the same brewpub. I bet we spend more on beer alone than the Breedersons would spend on their entire check. I see famblees come into some brewpubs, and not even order any beer. Why bother going there?

I fear that every place in the world will one day turn into a famblee-friendly McBar, with oceans of Bud Lite on tap, and crappy food.

Sorry for the long rantage, but this shit really pisses me the fuck off.

On a more pleasant note...CF VTer...you must tell me where this bar is that has the maple ale. Catdaddy and I want to visit Vermont sometime (we live in the Boston area), and we might like to check this place out. The Maple Ale sounds quite tasty!

When I have a few beers, my tourettes seriously acts up.

Beer + Me + Sprogs= Bad Naughty Curse Words

I hate it when I see babyees, toadlers, and kyds in bars. Anywayz, itsn't that why they have places like McShitdees?

Whenever I hear these stories, I'm so glad that minors are NOT allowed in bars, period. There is smoking there, though, but I'd rather have my clothes reek of smoke than deal with brats.

I had my fill when I went to Vegas and saw sprogs everywhere. And this was in 2000. What the fuck, seriously?!?

Lady Cooper Wrote:
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> Whenever I hear these stories, I'm so glad that
> minors are NOT allowed in bars, period. There is
> smoking there, though, but I'd rather have my
> clothes reek of smoke than deal with brats.

Oregon State's smoking law lets bars stay child-free. A person I correspond with who lives in Oregon says a lot of bar/restaurants kept their liquor liscences so they could keep the smokers and keep the brats out. "Family" restaurants can serve beer but not liquor. But if the restaurants serve "spirits", brats aren't allowed in because people smoke in bars and the smoke can hurt "da pwesious chyldrun".
In the "Keep your Brats at Home" section at stainedapron.com, "Greg H." from Atlanta, GA shares a story of a woman he knows whose business went up after she stopped catering to families:

"Get rid of the high chairs and booster seats!! Don't even offer them! It works! I live in Atlanta, and there's a local woman who owns a couple of Italian restaurants. One of them was in a trendy part of town that had a combination of young couples, gays, and yuppie couples with kids. The third group with kids, took over this one restaurant during the weekend nights, and many complaints were coming in from other customers about loud children, kids running around, etc. Of course, every time she went to the tables to tell the couple, "Control your child or I'll have to ask you to leave" (rare here for any manager or owner to do that), she was literally threatened with a lawsuit of "discrimination against people with children".

Her answer? She removed all but one booster seat, and took out ALL of the high chairs. Reports are that at first, tons of the yuppies with kids couples went crazy, and complained. Business dropped 50% the first month after. However, in the months that followed, the story got out what she had done...

People who had stopped going because of the kids came back. New patrons who wanted to avoid kids, began to eat there. Rumor has it she now enjoys about 30% MORE business on the weekends than she did when she catered to kids.

Now, Federal law these days (sadly) says you cannot post a sign that says, "No children allowed", in a restaurant. But I'm not at all aware of any laws that require you to have any amount of boosters, high chairs, kid menus, etc.

So, a note to restaurant owners: You know that a lot (not all of course, but a lot) of people who bring young kids into a restaurant are inconsiderate. You know that a lot of them are on tight budgets because of the kids, so spend less money. You know they're going to leave a much larger mess behind to clean up. You know in general, they demand more from the server, but tip less. So please, as a business owner... show some business SENSE, and dump the kid-catering devices and menus. Make it an adult-friendly atmosphere. Stick it out the first month or two after, and watch your loyal ADULT patrons reward you."

Yay for that restaurant owner! Famblees do spend a whole lot less, leave a horrible mess and do not tip. I'm sick of businesses catering to them.

You're so right about the big mess and low tips--I remember that from waitressing during college. There is an Italian restaurant in our town that has no children's menu. I've never seen a high chair or a booster seat, and it's very expensive. My husband and I used to go there to try to avoid sprogus interuptus while dining, but it has started being infested with yuppie sprogs (the very worst kind of sprog). The lack of child seats actually makes the little brats run around the restaurant more. The problem with leaving out children's menus, and booster seats to make a restuarant childfree, is that it is too subtle a hint for these asholes. They are so caught up in their little wonders that they don't notice when they're not wanted. It's a damn shame that the owner can't post a big old "Keep your child the hell out of here!" sign.

Sherz Wrote:
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> It's a damn shame that the
> owner can't post a big old "Keep your child the
> hell out of here!" sign.


I hear you Sherz! Or if they put up a sign that says "Children must use their indoor voices while patronizing this establishment", the moos will scream "discrimination!"

I don't see how this could be considered *discrimination*. There are lots of things that are illegal for those under 18. Stores get in trouble if they are caught selling booze or cigarettes to minors. Porn shops have Hugh Jass signs on the door saying that minors are not allowed therein. I have yet to hear about some dumbass parunt cry *discrimination* because they couldn't bring Bratley into the nudie bar with them.

Right now, it seems that the only places where we are safe from brats are porn shops and nudie bars. We need to go back to the days when kids just didn't go every-damned-where. Hell, I never set foot in a REAL restaurant until I was in my teens. When I was a sprog growing up in NYC, a trip to the Automat was considered a real treat!

BTW, for those who don't know what the Automat was, go to this website: http://www.theautomat.com/index2.html

But most of the time, sprogs ate at home, and the parents went out to the fancy places for dinner on occasion.

Kids do NOT belong everywhere, and I think that business owners should have the legal right to come right out and say ADULTS ONLY. There are plenty of places that welcome the little hellions...chains such as Crapplebee's, Olive Garden, and other such chains. There are more than enough places that breeders have ruined for everyone else, and I say let 'em swim in their own piss in these places, and leave the rest of us to enjoy our piss-free places.

Well I don't care for porn shops or nudie bars, so I just stay home all the time. I swear, every time I dare step outside, it's Breederville. I can't walk 30 seconds without some moo blocking the pavement with her fucking stroller. Where are all the CF people?!?

catmommy9 Wrote:
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> Right now, it seems that the only places where we
> are safe from brats are porn shops and nudie bars.

Unfortuately, this is not the case. My mother told me a story about what happend at a porno store across the street from where she works:

She was standing outside smoking a ciggerette on her break (at least this is what she tells me). There's a 2-year-old boy sprog in a car parked at the porno store with no one else in the car. A law enforcement officer walks by the car and goes inside the porno store. He returns with the moo telling her that she needs to take him inside with her or he'll arrest her.
The smart thing to have done would have been to leave the sprog at home! And these people are allowed to breed!?!?! Grrrrrrrrrr!!!