scary thoughts, breeding without sex.

more breeding, but this time without men involved at all.

http://angryharrysblog.blogspot.com/2006/07/no-sperm-needed.html



http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=433


Her name was Frances Swiney, a feminist whose vision for the sisterhood and humanity was more than a trifle extreme.

She thought men were the waste products of the reproductive process and wanted them eliminated. Her ideal method was asexual reproduction — the creation of children without a man involved. That way, she thought, women could look forward to the ‘gradual extinction of the distinctive male organism and the assimilation of the male to the female’. Until now, people like Mrs Swiney, who lived in the 19th century, were considered to be several apples short of a picnic. But now her vision of a female-only world is all but with us.

Sorry to tell you, men, but you are shortly to be declared redundant, superfluous to the requirements of the human race, written out of the reproductive script. Cheerio and please close the door behind you on your way out of history.

At least this is the prospect laid out before us by the latest lurch into the brave new world of medical research. In the attempt to find a cure for male infertility, a Newcastle University biologist, Karim Nayernia, has succeeded in using artificially produced sperm to fertilise mouse eggs.

He removed stem cells from mouse embryos and coaxed them into developing into sperm, which was used to fertilise eggs transplanted into female mice, resulting in the birth of seven baby rodents. Professor Nayernia believes his work offers hope to men whose lives are blighted by their inability to father children. However, the rest of us might wonder whether he is sounding the death knell for fatherhood altogether — and, more to the point, threatening to
undermine the very basis of what it is to be human.

But the male needs a certain amount of cultural coaxing to stick around. And essential to that bargain between the sexes is his certainty that he is the father of the child. While there is no such question mark over motherhood because women bear the baby, fathering, by contrast, is a socially constructed institution. Men have a fragile sense of their role in the human drama. At some deep level, they dread that they are merely an add-on to a female genetic inheritance. As we can see from the epidemic of fatherlessness, it doesn’t take much for them to say ‘I’m off!’ if they feel pushed away.

And pushed away they have certainly been. No one bats an eyelid when a woman has a baby without a father on board. Male breadwinning is regarded as an unforgiveable anachronism. Masculine characteristics such as stoicism or emotional restraint are scorned or vilified. And now, men find that their active involvement in the reproductive process might be by-passed altogether.

But now that scientists are modern gods, who knows what unnatural developments might become possible? Such a world, where procreation was through asexual reproduction, was the vision of those early feminists, such as Mrs Swiney.
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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I'd tell that haggard old bitch to take a hike, I love my man.

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lab mom

from angry harry's site **My guess, for what it is worth, is that dealing with children - rather than reproducing them - is what is far more likely to help to engender in people the sense of generosity and concern for others on which our human society is built.**

In the long term, cloning methods could be used to turn a skin cell from a man into sperm and Prof Nayernia said it was even possible that it could be achieved using a cell from a woman.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2006/07/11/ecnstem11.xml&sSheet=/connected/2006/07/11/ixconn.html

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

What if this nasty b*tch has a male child? I am very feminist but my term of feminism is the equality of ALL people. I never understood why certain feminists wanted children even though they really disliked the opposite sex. There is never any guarantee that the baby will be born female. How are these anti-male women going to treat a little boy?

Speaking of that issue, I also get chapped when feminists will fight for abortion rights in the US but then scream how China's shortage of female children is due to women aborting if the fetus is not male. These feminists cannot have it both ways. I am pro-abortion, period! It does not matter why a woman aborts. I was called a troll on alt.support.childfree when I posted on this issue back in '01.

Wow, some man must have really dicked Mrs. Swiney over. Bring on the genetically engineered sperm. I want to see the twilight zone type of spawn that it might produce.

I'll take the sex without the breeding, thank you very much! Hail to Catdaddy's vasectomy!

This whole thing is sick. If someone MUST sprog, it should happen the natural way or not at all.

Somebody saw the movie The Last Man On Planet Earth (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0193283/). At least that was my thought.

Please note that the sperm was created in an experimental murine (mouse) model. Many of these experiments receive a hell of a lot of hype in the beginning, but fail to deliver on their so-called potential when translated into a more complex species like a human. Parallels can be drawn to animal cloning experiments like Dolly the sheep. Those particular experiments were somewhat successful in producing a genetic photocopy of the progenitor animal, but the clones tend to suffer from a number of genetic abnormalities as time goes on and their lifespans have been anything but long compared to their naturally produced cousins of the same or similar species.

In-vitro fertilization models are still not that clinically successful relative to other types of medical therapies. The success rate depends on the assisted reproductive technology and methodology of calculating the results, but the point is made that the more we interfere with the genome, the less success we seem to have in our manipulations of it.

The more recent Korean research scandals have caused a lot of funding in the area of stem cell and associated research to be re-thought. I express no opinion on the matter of stem cell research other than to say if it does work, we will enter a new era of medicine. If it does not bear out, its "back to the old drawing-board", as Marvin the Martian (the most sagacious alien!!) would say.

Now where is that Illudium Q-36?

catmommy9 Wrote:
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> I'll take the sex without the breeding, thank you
> very much!


> This whole thing is sick. If someone MUST sprog,
> it should happen the natural way or not at all.
>

Dito to both responses.