At a local store today

we were in the tescos in prescot in the UK, and i saw 2 kids sitting in a fridge where the fresh chickens where i mean sitting ON the chickens. the fresh chickens. they were about 7 and one 12 i think.. the parents were 3 feet away from them, and they didnt say anything.

so i told the staff hey thats not a good idea..apparently they cant tell those kids to not do it, because kids dont know its wrong

so they allowed it..kids dont know right from wrong so.. they cannot be held responsible. according to this woman.

so taking that to the extreme limits, if a child kills another child then it should be let go free because it didnt know right from wrong.

i complained to the staff about the possibility of e coli and other bacteria. but that didnt matter. she was probably a MOO

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

Ok.

I hope other parents would buy and cook the kids by accident, thinking THEY'RE chicken! Either that, or they freeze to death in there.

This is really shocking and not at all necessary, nor very sanitary at all! So better complain to the MANAGER of the store, not the staff if this is serious.

If the manager doesn't LISTEN, BETTER change to ANOTHER store!

My understanding is that the Roman Catholic church used to have the position that by age 8 children broadly knew right from wrong and could be held responsible for serious transgressions. Of course, those moos don't want to face the idea that their sprogs might actually have known better.

Don't worry about it, Mercurior. If those two kyds are sitting in a fridge on a typical English winter day, Darwin will probably catch up with them in some fashion before too many more years go by.

it was more the staff reaction, essentially they didnt want to do anything, to see this allowed makes me realise some people are bad parents, and that they dont care about anyone else, they are the truly selfish.

and there still is the preception that children can do no wrong, that was the most disturbing thing. taking that to the extreme level, letting a child kill other children letting them kill animals, that would be ok because they dont know any better.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

2 items...
1) You did have something like that.. 'kids don't know what they are doooiong'... Remember that toddler that those two little shits killed? It was all over the news: even over on this side of the pond. They were on security camera. From what I understand, the dad of the victim is still looking for the pos (piece of shit) who did it because the gubernmint hid the little darlings now they are of age. Of course, that leaves any girlfriends from even making a qualified decision ... One thing, if dad finds the creep, he is going to kill him, according to what dad said. I personally would have no problem with offing kids as young as 5 years if they killed another child.
2) My (ex) husband and I were at some fast food restaurant, at the counter waiting to pay for our meal. Some moo had her shitty-ass diapered kid sitting on the same counter that the food was being passed across back to the customers. This kid didn't even have a protective pair of pants: just the diaper. Didn't say anything, but probably should have. That is the point, you CAN'T say anything to these shitty moos.

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ybk43I am sick and tired of these women who see children as perfection, that they cannot see how there are evil children around. You only have to look at the Bulger Killers, the killer of Jade Mathews a year later than that, and the killers of Michael Moss. All in Liverpool and all the killers from the adjacent areas.

You are not telling me that 7 boys is the average of child killers in the rest of the world in such a small area.

I have been involved in dealing with killers, and it always follows in the Press how they were brilliant and good and not like that at all. But the fact is that if you were to ask their neighbours and people in school, they were in fact nasty little pieces of work.

The Store Tesco have obviously got a lot of problems because it is practically impossible to get in touch with their Customer Service Department to deal with matters like this. Guilty Conscience methinks.

oh one of the bulger killers has a kid now himself thats according to the word on the street.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

On a similar, but different, note. I was at the grocery store the other day and was sharing an aisle with a moo, her two sprogs and a couple other adults. The moo was talking to the adults, one sprog was sitting on the rack under the shopping cart, the other sprog, who was a few years older, was standing next to the cart. I was next to the ensprogged cart when the older child hauled off and kicked the younger child as hard as she could for no apparent reason. Of course the younger child began wimpering and trying to push her older sister away. The moo looked over at them (probably to make sure I wasn't doing anything to her children) and then resumed her conversation. The older child looked right at me and hauled off to kick her sister as hard as she could again. The younger child screamed, and the moo looks back over at us. I give her my best "What the fuck?!" look. She just resumes her conversation as her younger child attempts to block her sister's abuse by cowering on the floor and pulling the cart between her and her sister. I just shake my head and push my cart through the Moo's conversation while the oldest sprog is wrenching the cart away to get at her little sister.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

ah but that child isnt responsible for its actions..

someone needed not me staff or whoever parent for preference to say hey hang on.. thats not right. but they wont.

i bet in 10 years one will kill the other..

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

mercurior Wrote:
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> ah but that child isnt responsible for its
> actions..
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> someone needed not me staff or whoever parent for
> preference to say hey hang on.. thats not right.
> but they wont.
>
> i bet in 10 years one will kill the other..

If the Moo is as uninvolved as she appeared to be in the store, I'd have a hard time holding this child responsible for her actions. If this child is allowed to constantly beat up on younger, smaller, children with out ever being corrected, she's going to think "It's okay to beat up on defenseless people, especially my sister". It's very possible that she will kill her sister by accident or intentionally because she's never been taught that hurting others is wrong.

Same goes for sitting in the freezer...if your breeders let you sit your ass anywhere you want, you're going to assume anything in the world is there for you to rest your ass on...I can't state this enough, Kids are stupid and need parents to teach them.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

Mention of “the bulger killers” above in this thread prompted me to look up this case, which I was unfamiliar with. It’s pretty shocking stuff, really. I found it significant to read that while these two defective boys, aged 9 and 10 years, walked along the streets of Liverpool with 2-year-old Jamie Bulger, the boy they kidnapped from a shopping center, openly beating him bloody while people looked on, nobody took the initiative to step in and take control. Why was this? I’m guessing that if it happened back in the 50s or 60s, some responsible adult would step in and say something like “Stop that at once you little bastards, I’m taking over now and we’re going to see the police about this!” But I would imagine that for decades there has been so damned much mass hysteria and paranoia over child abuse that the very thought of interfering in any way with three underage kids in a public place, or anywhere for that matter, would conjure up in the mind of an adult the real possibility of personal, legal, and financial ruination that could result from it. That situation is particularly strong here in the USA, and I’m guessing is much the same in the UK as well. It tends to make any adult, even those who do not dislike children as a rule, want to avoid any sort of contact whatsoever with them as if they were the most deadly poison. I make damn sure I do not look-at, make eye contact with, talk to (even in response), and for god’s sake never never NEVER touch any underage person in any possible way, even for the most benign of reasons, even if they were falling off a goddamned cliff and I was the only one who could save them. Sorry.......but me first.

"I would imagine that for decades there has been so damned much mass hysteria and paranoia over child abuse that the very thought of interfering in any way with three underage kids in a public place, or anywhere for that matter, would conjure up in the mind of an adult the real possibility of personal, legal, and financial ruination that could result from it. That situation is particularly strong here in the USA, and I’m guessing is much the same in the UK as well. It tends to make any adult, even those who do not dislike children as a rule, want to avoid any sort of contact whatsoever with them as if they were the most deadly poison. I make damn sure I do not look-at, make eye contact with, talk to (even in response), and for god’s sake never never NEVER touch any underage person in any possible way, even for the most benign of reasons, even if they were falling off a goddamned cliff and I was the only one who could save them. Sorry.......but me first."

Well, that just about sums it up. I will never intervene with a child because I don't trust breeders to be rational. I'm assuming that if a child is in danger while it's guardians ignore it, they're probably breeders, and I don't want any part of that mess. I'd rather just call 911 for an injured child than deal with a lawsuit.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

see it was worse than reported, i knew a police officer in the case well i worked with his wife.. and he told her and she told us.. it was far far worse than any story in the press.. even now i am sickened by what they did to him.

imagine the worst case.. and double it.

i wont even post it in public it is so bad. if you want to know the horrors you can pm me. but i would say it would be too sick making..i was told this 2nd hand, all the police officers had to undergo stress and ptsd and counselling quite a few left the job they were so badly affected..

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

Yikes... this reminds me of one time last summer. We got home Sunday night from camping around 9 pm, and these two REAL CUTE blond boys (age 6 & 7, or 7 & 8, they told DH) were hanging around our trailer while we were detaching it, they started climbing on it and we had to tell them to stop. Mind you, it was dark out, but our house is across the street from some tennis & basketball courts so the lights for the park were still on. The whole time, we were waiting and expecting some parental unit to come along and snatch the boys back, but no, nothing. I went to my front door, and the boys followed me and said, "Can we come in your house?" YIKES! I said, "NO." and shut the door on them. They went back to DH and the trailer, then a few minutes later, DH comes in and says "I think we're calling the police and reporting a couple of kids lost-and-found." He had asked them their ages, and where's your mother. They knew their ages, but said "I dunno" where [parent](s) were. Steve went outside to wait for the police with the boys, and at some point, he said they saw an adult female down the sidewalk and ran off all, "mama, mama!"

EOS. He called he police back and said that the mother showed up. The police probably should have come out and questioned the "parent", but they probably would have been gone by the time the cops arrived anyway...

"Can we come in your house"??????????? what the fuck? If I were a child molester, these words would be music to my ears! These were WICKED CUTE BLOND kids, too! Poor little thingies. I hope they don't suffer too much in life.

Mercurior, maybe you can discuss the Bulger case just a little here. The details we heard here were bad enough, and I don't want to repeat them either. The Economist and other sources reported at the time that the two boys who killed the toddler came from a single-moo welfare household, and they essentially reenacted what was done to another toddler in the horror movie Child's Play 3—which they had watched at home before abducting James. (I don't watch that shit, and young children have absolutely no business doing so. But that's single moos and the dole for you.) Does this agree with what you know? Anyone still want to claim that TV doesn't influence children's behavior?

Another report from the time disturbed me too. One of the boys evidently thought that the murdered boy could be taken to the doctor to be made better. This is another piece of evidence that allowing kyds to watch bad movies and play video games in which people come back to life, etc., distorts their reasoning abilities. In years past these two—at around age 10, right?—would definitely have been considered old enough to know that a killed person cannot come back to life.

Authorities originally wanted to keep the boys incarcerated indefinitely. The press reported several years ago that Britain intended to keep the two locked away for the crime, though they had reached legal age. After an appeal, the European human rights court system ruled in the little criminals' favor, so Britain had to release them, then (get this) relocate them with new identities for their protection due to all the death threats. I recall one of James's parents saying that the courts seemed to care more about the two killers than about his dead son. Truly a sad, bad, sick situation.

what they did was worse than any film, they did more nasty things. i got this 3rd hand it was edited in the press, beacuse if people really knew they would well kill the entire family that bred the monsters. i live 14 miles from where it happened, my mum drive past the spot almost every day.

the film is to blame angle, is just an excuse, a well the film (devil) made me do it. these were bad kids, who lived in a very bad area. so is the bringing back to life.

you have to realise the parents and lawyers of these monsters were all looking for a scapegoat for their kids actions, like they are not old enough to know right from wrong. every serial killer every murderer uses similar excuses, bundy blamed porn for making him kill. tv made this person kill. if that was true how come in the past there was far more violence. where thousands of people were killed, they probably said books were to blame.

now i was in 2 minds over the sentencing, 1 the home secretary broke the rules by increasing the prison term, which set a precedent that he could keep anyone in prison for as long as he wished without parole. Now that was wrong. he did it for the right reasons but he was still wrong. those kids should have been locked up for life, and i mean life. or even executed, i dont normally agree with the death penalty, but for some of the most heinous crimes with absolute proof they did it. then i al all for it.

and to go with not getting involved "one of the so-called 'Liverpool 38' who saw James but did nothing, half a dozen of whom I'm told are still daily damaged by the knowledge "

in 2003 "the time of James's murder, unemployment in Liverpool was 15.2 per cent, 4.4 points above the national average. Today it's at 11.1 per cent, but that's still 5.8 per cent above the average"

" Remember the circumstances. Thompson, with evidence of family abuse, and a loathed younger brother whom he had taken to the canal, and threatened, two weeks earlier. "

in 2001

"Robert Thompson was known as Child A throughout the three-week murder trial at Preston crown court, and many of those close to the case believe him to have been the prime mover in the killing of James Bulger.
During the trial he became known as "the one that did not cry", and he returned the questioning stares of the press bench unblinkingly. For years he failed to accept any responsibilty for Bulger's death, despite the blood found on his shoes and the confession of Jon Venables.

Detectives who interviewed him following his arrest described him as canny, intelligent and frightening. They were unnerved by his failure to react like a confused child, and some came to hate him, regarding him with a contempt usually reserved for sex criminals and adult child killers"

even the police were scared

"Thompson's brutal father walked out when he was six and has not made contact with him since his arrest in 1993. His mother Anne, violently alcoholic at the time of her son's arrest, sobered up and moved to within walking distance of the secure unit in which he has been housed since he was sentenced. Along with her three younger sons, and her eldest who lives at home, she visited Robert every day after his classes finished at 3pm"

"Jon Venables wept every day of his three-week murder trial, a quivering, vulnerable contrast to the boy he sat beside. When the verdict was passed he broke down, and said as he was led away: "The little boy, will you tell his mum I'm sorry."
Emotionally immature, with two siblings with learning disabilities, he appeared younger than Thompson, and was certainly the more impressionable of the two. It had been his idea, however, to approach James Bulger in the Strand shopping centre"

At the time of the murder his father Neil lived away from the family and Jon would visit him to watch videos. One of these, Child's Play 3, was mentioned in court as a trigger for the crime, a theory derided as nonsense by one investigating officer.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

The next time I hear a parent spew that line, "Oh, but they're kids, they don't know any better, " I will tell them, "Yes, and it's YOUR responsibility to teach them right from wrong, you are the PARENT, remember????"

I was in Wegman's the other day and a moo with a cart and her calf - about 7 or so - were blocking my aisle - the aisles in some of the areas of the store are very narrow. Moo blocking from the left, calf right in front of me on the right side of the aisle. I said to calf, "Excuse me please." Calf looked at moo as if to say, "Should I move?" and moo proceeded to shoot me a dirty look. Calf went back to playing with items on the shelf.

SO, me being the royal BITCH that I can be, since calf and moo did not move, squeezed between the 2 of them, brushing moo's cart and calflet on the way. Moo says to me "Excuse you" to which I snapped, "No, excuse YOU!" with an "and your fucking brat" under my breath but loud enough that they both heard me. Moo looked like someone just slapped her in the face. It was precious.

"Does this agree with what you know? Anyone still want to claim that TV doesn't influence children's behavior?
Another report from the time disturbed me too. One of the boys evidently thought that the murdered boy could be taken to the doctor to be made better. This is another piece of evidence that allowing kyds to watch bad movies and play video games in which people come back to life, etc., distorts their reasoning abilities."

Again, a child has to be TAUGHT by it's PARENTAL UNITS that television, video games, rap music and movies are NOT the same as REAL LIFE. Don't abdicate the responsibility parents have to TEACH their children these important lessons. Simply sitting a child in front of an illuminated screen and expecting them to just know the difference is not enough. Breeders not parenting is what distorts reasoning abilities.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

a lot of the the tv made me do it, the devil made me do it the porn made me do it video games made me do it.

many millions of people have watched tv, played video games, and they arent killers.

a lot of people lawyers and parents use tv or whatever as an excuse to forgive bad behviour, bundy i beleive became a poster child for the anti porn brigade.

if tv and video games were so very bad, how do they explain, hh homes, jack the ripper, jesse pomeroy, bela kiss, all pre tv and video games and what they did was the same if not worse. it may have a contributory effect, but there has to be other things there first.

like some abused children dont become abusers, some do. why we arent sure, genetics, mental structure, chance, all has an effect. to blame just 1 thing for the cause of serious crime is silly

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

Feh hit the nail on the head, and that was the point I was trying to make. Letting kyds watch this stuff without parental involvement is the real issue. Pahrents, especially the irresponsible "party" type, are too content to allow the kyds to do and watch what they want without monitoring things. TV and video games are the "babysitter in a box" for too many dysfunctional families. As long as the little monsters are out of our hair so we can score our next lover, or next dose of meth or crack, or...

It has long been apparent that today's children have been sexualized and are often precocious in the old sense of that term. Exposure to inappropriate things without parental intercession is an obvious reason. It is just as obvious that similar exposure desensitizes those same children to violence and the finality of injury and death.

But there was a time when parents would not have allowed kids access to the kind of crap that passes for entertainment today, not to mention would have much more closely supervised them than is typical now. And kids then generally were more mature for their age than are today's lot. Parenting advisor John Rosemond has said that he thinks today's typical 16-year-old has only about the same level of maturity as a 12-year-old had 30-40 years ago, so he advocates (among other things) raising the driving age to 18. I think he's right. Imagine what that means for a 9- or 10-year-old boy who receives little or no day-to-day parental guidance: their maturity level is on a par with that of yesterday's 7-year-old. And that explains why one of the Bulger killers thought at age 10 that a doctor could simply fix up a dead toddler good as new in real life.

that was an excuse k man.. they were trying for the psychiatric route. they were damaged by this so they need to be in hospital which is a lot easier..

i lived with this.. my mum worked for probation and some of those prisoners used the tv made me do it.. to get a cushy time in hospital.

http://www.apa.org/releases/violentvideoC05.html this is from 2005 and uses data from 20 years ago

http://www.fhi.se/upload/ar2005/rapporter/R200518_video_computer_game.pdf this is a more recent study saying the first one was wrong.

"Under Dobson's questioning, Bundy claimed an "addiction" to pornography led him to commit violent crimes." see an excuse

IF tv does make people commit more murders do do they explain As Michael Moore so eloquently discussed in Bowling For Columbine, Canada has violence in movies and games, plus more guns per capita than the US, but proportionately a fraction of the killings.

is it a social/genetic/nature/nuture thing.. NO ONE KNOWS. they just use it as an excuse to give up responsibility for their own actions onto someone else

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein