nowhiggers Wrote:
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> quick question Feh,
Lies!! This isn't a quick question at all! (I'm just hassling you in a good natured way)
> I'm just wondering something here off the top of
> my head.... Before the west ever arrived in the
> countries of Africa and South America, for
> example, The Africans were enslaving each other
> and in fact it was the African tribal leaders that
> sold their own people to the white man. In South
> America, the Maya and Aztec were slaughtering each
> other in human sacrificies as well as enslaving
> people from smaller tribes.
Psst...White people enslaved each other, indentured servitude is just a niced up phrase for it. I don't know why people feel the need to do that. A constant through time seems to be that lots of people, given the opportunity, would gladly use their own foot to crush the skull of another to get ahead in life, and will generally use the excuses of empire, religion, business or just,"we're better than those people". "There's always a face, and always a boot stepping on it", to mis-quote 1984. I can't speak to human sacrifice, as far as I know that was for religious purposes, and I don't understand religion.
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> Now I'm just curious, what about the way that the
> African leaders and the Aztec and Mayan leaders
> did all of those evil things, is there something
> thier descendants owe the descendants of the
> people THEY enslaved and slaughtered? I mean, to
> be fair here, why is it that the WEST is the only
> ones required to "pay" for their sins, for their
> wrongs against people of those countries, but no
> one else is required to do so??
Why do I have to answer for humanity? It's obvious to me that that's the way the world is, I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is. People don't care about enslavement until a "superior" culture foists it upon the "lesser" culture. Yes, yes (insert brown people here) enslaved and killed each other...on their own lands, amongst themselves. However, when a bunch of (insert white folks here) shows up, and says "This place you've lived for 1000's of years, well that's ours now. Oh and we get to forcibly move you to the shittiest land, and we get to take your children for "reassimilation",and we're going to make it illegal for anyone to teach you things. Did we mention the starvation? Because we're not going to feed you while we march you across the country. Oh, and these drugs, they're real good, and we're going to hop you up on them for a few years and then take them away...but only from you." Well, I guess those are the lines that people now days might have a problem with.
> And how far back are we allowed to go receive
> reparations for things done to our ancestors?
> Like, what about the people who have christian
> ancestors from roman times that were thrown to the
> lions? Do they get a check and some free food?
> Isn't that affecting their lives now, what
> happened back then?
I don't believe in reparations. Simple money doesn't cut the mustard when entire populations/cultures have been manipulated beyond recognition. Nor do I believe Xtians deserve ANY sympathy considering their behavior since the Romans. I mean, seriously, in the US? Where 99% of the people in government state how much more Xtian they are than the next guy? Where the more bible thumpy you are, the more votes you get? Seriously, THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER!! How do you think we've managed to fuck things up so terrifically in the first place? Because xtians insist that their doctrine influence every decision they make. The only thing that would give them more power would be if they could give up their false sense of oppression and use their guns forcibly to do whatever nonsense they really want.
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> How come the descendents of those little tribes in
> SA can't collect a check and some free food from
> the mexican government now?
They can. Anyone can request anything from anyone at any time. Will it happen? I doubt it. Here's the kicker....you also have the power to request anything you want from anyone at any time. Go nuts with that.
>
> Clearly, this "pay for the sins of the fathers"
> isn't really that at all, it's "let's take from
> people who have more than us just because we are
> entitled to it, we don't need to WORK for it."
> That is some welfarebreedersow logic there.
> Problem is, all of these shitholes use it.
You say this like the uber-rich don't expect anything from us, WRONG. They DEMAND that WE pay ALL the taxes so THEY don't have to PAY DICK. Corporations DEMAND that they shouldn't have to pay taxes so they can provide the VALUABLE SERVICE of low wage, worthless jobs. CEO's demand GIANT SALARIES because only they can maximize profits by moving all our shitty jobs overseas so the stock holders can make an extra fucking penny. The WEALTHY have the ability to have their demands met because they're the ones who pay for the $2500 per plate fundraisers where they get to talk directly to the candidates and let them know that they can elicit dozens of thousands of more dollars in donations if only they got a little something-something out of it.
Do any single one of you seriously believe that your $20-$50-$100 donation to any candidate will make anything better for you personally? It won't, you won't get to talk to the candidate and say "I have no health insurance, I pay too much for everything, can you maybe put in the budget for a new project that my company can take on?" but you can bet for damn sure that their millionaire supporter gets to. Seriously, you are complaining about people with nothing getting a penny, when the people who have EVERYTHING refuse to do one iota to make anything better for ANYONE, ourselves included.
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> At some point Feh, and I don't know when that is,
> maybe you can tell me, don't we have to stop, pull
> out, and just let nature take it's course?
To requote myself, "I KNOW it's fucked, I KNOW we're throwing money down the shitter, I KNOW it's going to just get much, much worse. At the same time, I personally would just much rather have that penny of my taxes that is allocated for overseas spending go to something moderately useful, than to actively hurt someone else in a war." As I've said, it is a given FACT that some percentage of our money is going to be sent over seas, even if Ron Paul becomes our glorious leader, we will still have to have some sort of foreign policy. I've accepted that fact and my only desire is that that money will be spent in the best way possible that causes the least harm. I've given up on the line of thought that my personal wishes will be granted by any external entity, Ron Paul included, it is unrealistic and therefore not worth my time.
> And finally, what about the childfree? We bear the
> burden of the taxes for all of this because we do
> not and never will receive the child tax credit
> and other benefits provided by the government for
> the breeders.
> Why don't our breeders have some responsibility
> "paying for the sins of their white fathers in the
> third world" like we do?
And what of the wealthy who pay a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than the rest of us? Shouldn't they, who benefit so greatly from OUR WORK, be expected to pay at least 1/3 of their income in taxes, like the rest of us?
> You don't like Ron Paul, but
> you cannot deny that his policies on this stuff is
> a hell of a lot more childfree friendly than any
> of these other clowns. Show me something
> different, read my post about his policies. On the
> liberal side, you have Kucunich and Gravel who
> both were willing to give the childfree some
> benefits. Why would a childfree person want to
> vote for someone like Oboomer, just to "get the
> republicans out." That is such a half assed way to
> do things, I am sorry.
Exqueese me? When have I ever said anything that should make anyone think I approve of this fuckery? At this point in time, the only thing people in power are going to listen to, beyond money, is major property damage. Votes don't count. That said, guess what? The majority of votes aren't going to go to Ron Paul because for most people, he doesn't exist. Kucinich and Gravel AREN'T running any more...AND I haven't told ANYONE how to vote.
So what if I've come to the conclusion that in pretty much every instance in recorded history, it's the shitty way people tend to treat each other when they think they are better and more deserving that has made every thing worse for everyone. What skin is it off your nose?