Get rid of all welfare, let the fundies run private programs

Gotta agree with you there. There indeed frightening similarities between "seclective socialism" and the National Socialism of Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

I could go on and on how the government needs the lumpenproletariat for its wars, etc., but I'll just get on another rant if I do.

""Motherwork IS Work" and must be paid and prioritized "

So, moms are supposed to be able to sit home and collect a salary from the taxpayers? I think I'll move to another country if that ever happens.

MerlynHerne Wrote:
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> Yeah, I've noticed that any attempt to get justice
> for the childfree--especially an end to the
> rip-off of welfare as we know it--ends up with the
> CF person being branded "right-wing". Right wing?!

The "right-wing" people who don't believe in birth control run just as fast to the welfare offices as any other gimme girl when they get pignant. Many (if not all) of the baby factories in religious cults suck up handouts.

Keep working more hours, CF people! Millions of breeders depend on us.

From mission statement: "Motherwork IS Work" and must be paid and prioritized."

To these skanks, "work" means eating junk, watching and playing Bingo America (which gets the Seal of Approval from Parents TV Council http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reviews/BingoAmerica.asp) and picking up anyone to make their next bastards/welfare raises.

Keep working more hours, CF people! Millions of breeders depend on us.

From mission statement: "Motherwork IS Work" and must be paid and prioritized."

Fuck all of you, you lazy bitches!! Is motherwork like my ex-lover who, when given the chance to be a SAHM, chose to lay on her ass and let her child stay at home rather than get the hell up on time to walk him the five blocks to school? Is this like these SAHMoo asshats who let their spawn run around dirty and unkempt with no manners or consideration for others? I'm supposed to subsidize these lazy sluts? I don't think so!

catmeow Wrote:
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> MerlynHerne Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >> The "right-wing" people who don't believe in birth
> control run just as fast to the welfare offices as
> any other gimme girl when they get pignant. Many
> (if not all) of the baby factories in religious
> cults suck up handouts.


I find right wing people to be the ultimate hypocrites.

Many right-wing, upper-class women bitch about "lazy welfare moms" but they are basically doing the same thing - sitting on their ass and becoming financially dependent on someone else. Many of them are vulnerable to winding up on welfare & charity handouts some day themselves.

casseyrod Wrote:
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> catmeow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MerlynHerne Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >> The "right-wing" people who don't believe in
> birth
> > control run just as fast to the welfare offices
> as
> > any other gimme girl when they get pignant.
> Many
> > (if not all) of the baby factories in religious
> > cults suck up handouts.
>
>
> I find right wing people to be the ultimate
> hypocrites.
>
> Many right-wing, upper-class women bitch about
> "lazy welfare moms" but they are basically doing
> the same thing - sitting on their ass and becoming
> financially dependent on someone else. Many of
> them are vulnerable to winding up on welfare &
> charity handouts some day themselves.


I know you already know that at least half of all "upper class women" and upper class are limousine liberals. They love the welfare for the "welfare warriors" and illegals. What they hate is the middle class. And you're right, that makes them hypocrites too, as someday the day may come that they are a middle class person without children trying to struggle by without adequete medical care and the other things the middle class struggles with here.

So let's take attendance:

Right wing upper class = hates the poor

Left wing upper class = hates the middle class

as far as the upper class is concerned, only super rich fucks like them should have anything at all.

but to be fair, there are plenty of OK rich people. I've worked for a few, but I can count them on 3 fingers.

I guess these douche bags think the only people who work and pay taxes to support their mistakes are men. If that were the case, we'd ALL be living under bridges and eating out of dumpsters.

nowhiggers Wrote:
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> (If there are any born again fundies lurking here
> on the forum, I wouldn't mind to hear your opinion
> on this.)

As a 'born again fundie' I have mixed feelings on this.

On one hand, government-run welfare has proven itself over and over to be an UTTER DISASTER. It's the incarnation of "getting something for nothing". It's legal Robin-Hoodery, and the peasants don't even deserve the gold half the time. It poisons people's attitudes and undercuts the work ethic by making not working often pay much more (in benefits and straight-out $$$) than working. Something else needs to be tried in a hurry, and this may --- MAY --- be just the ticket.

I would not, however, advocate a complete hands-off policy by the secular authorities. Religious groups should have every right to impose some requirements for the food/money/whatever that they hand out: it's their stuff after all. However- there should be some reasonable limits on those requirements. (ie; no half-hour-long forced prayers like in Jayne Eyre.) And professions of faith should never, repeat NEVER, be allowed as a requirement. Otherwise as long as the groups aren't getting federal monies (and thus subject to government control), the welfare recipients can either do what's asked of them or leave..

CFTeen Wrote:

> On one hand, government-run welfare has proven
> itself over and over to be an UTTER DISASTER. It's
> the incarnation of "getting something for
> nothing". It's legal Robin-Hoodery, and the
> peasants don't even deserve the gold half the
> time. It poisons people's attitudes and undercuts
> the work ethic by making not working often pay
> much more (in benefits and straight-out $$$) than
> working. Something else needs to be tried in a
> hurry, and this may --- MAY --- be just the
> ticket.

It's very true that welfare bastard factories are better off living off the system than working. The government has failed miserable at social engineering--and not just welfare--and should get out of it.

Keep working more hours, CF people! Millions of breeders depend on us.

Most church-sponsored food banks refuse to help childless or childfree men and women.

That is why I don't like putting money in their collection plates on Sunday morning.

Also, why I won't donate stuff to their food bank.

I once volunteered to work at my church's food bank. They wouldn't even help unmarried couples! You had to be married with kids to get help.

"Motherhood is Work"?

Right, I'd fire the lot of 'em.

casseyrod Wrote:
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> Most church-sponsored food banks refuse to help
> childless or childfree men and women.
>
> That is why I don't like putting money in their
> collection plates on Sunday morning.
>
> Also, why I won't donate stuff to their food
> bank.
>
> I once volunteered to work at my church's food
> bank. They wouldn't even help unmarried couples!
> You had to be married with kids to get help.


This sucks, and I'm happy to say that I don't give to churches.

I serve Thanksgiving and Christmas meals at a place for homeless veterans, which is an adults-only shelter. I also give clothing and food donations to this place.

Keep working more hours, CF people! Millions of breeders depend on us.

catmeow Wrote:
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>
> I serve Thanksgiving and Christmas meals at a
> place for homeless veterans, which is an
> adults-only shelter. I also give clothing and food
> donations to this place.

That sounds great. I am currently doing volunteer work for the local pet shelters. I'd like to find a charity that is either adults-only, or open to helping everyone regardless of circumstances. So far, I haven't found any.

casseyrod, it's great that you volunteer for a pet shelter. I once did the same at a cat shelter, and I adopted Lisa from that place 3-1/2 years ago.

If you want an adults-only place, you may want to look into organizations that work with senior citizens. There may also be a shelter for homeless veterans in your area.

Keep working more hours, CF people! Millions of breeders depend on us.

The thing I like about helping animals is, they don't make any demands and you know they are so grateful for the help you give them.

I almost quit working at this particular pet shelter a while back, because the volunteer coordinator was such a bitch. We have to schedule our volunteer times on a calendar, and if you don't dot your i's and cross your t's, she reams you out. I've been taking some medication that makes my brain a little fuzzy at times, and I sometimes make mistakes on the calendar, spell stuff wrong, etc. Also, I accidentally scheduled volunteer time on a day that the shelter is closed, and she got very pissy with me about that.

Also, I signed up to clean litterboxes, which means I'm doing the "dirty job" at the shelter. They told me no one else would do it. So you would think she would be grateful that I signed up to do this? Nope, not at all.

I am not sure who to complain to about her. She is a volunteer also. I wonder if I could go to someone confidentially and report her behavior. My fear is that she is scaring away other volunteers from working at the pet shelter. They are very backed up and need lots of help.

All too many volunteer organizations end up with prima donnas or drama queens/kings in charge who feel free to abuse the other volunteers under their command. My brother used to be involved with volunteer fire departments and rescue squads, which had the same problem as the pet shelter you describe, Casseyrod. They were, if anything, even more eaten out with politics.

Other shelter volunteers around the country have had similar experiences, as I once subscribed to a muckraking California paper that described the exact same problem at the animal shelters in that area.

These days many volunteer organizations expect would-be volunteers to pay as a condition of joining, so there's even less excuse to abuse them. The local volunteer fire departments, for example, want new members to purchase their own turnout gear (the helmet, heavy boots, and clothing worn when fighting fires) at a cost of well over $1,000, and the pet shelters want volunteers to pay some sort of pricey "membership fee". Nice scam, eh?

Maybe such a practice separates the really dedicated from those who simply want to dabble, but I guarantee it puts off the majority of those who would otherwise volunteer. Dealing with political or dramatic BS from some higher-up simply makes the dearth of volunteers even worse once word gets out. Those in charge should be glad you're granting your time and efforts, not trying to make your experience miserable.

Thanks, yes its unfortunate there is so much politics within volunteer groups. I have friends who do volunteer work, who tell me the same thing.

One friend of mine volunteered full time at a shelter, and she inquired about getting a special keyboard that prevents carpal tunnel syndrome. She didn't demand it, just asked if it was something they could get for her. Well, they got upset and promptly told her to leave.

This volunteer coordinator at the pet shelter is something else. She gets angry if I make little mistakes in filling out the calender. Even though the medication I take makes my brain fuzzy, I can still show up there and clean out litter boxes. I can't fill out the calendar correctly, though. At least I show up when I say I will, and do the job thoroughly. This is not appreciated at all. I was the only person who volunteered to clean litter boxes and cages.

I plan to report her behavior, once I find out who I can talk to about her. After that, I will simply find another pet shelter to volunteer at so she can't "retaliate" against me for ratting her out.

I am a dog groomer, when i 1st moved in to this town (Dallas GA) I went to the local pet shelter to let them know, I would be happy to groom any dogs that may need it, to help them get adopted, I left my number and herd nothing, a few months later I called to see if they needed me, a real nice lady told me about a dog that needed grooming badly, so i went there and groomed the nice doggy, I was treated very rude, thrown to the side, NEVER told thanks, just treated like shit, (didnt expect my ass kissed at all, but just some common human respect and manners). Its was weird, I would have thought they would have been thankful for any help they got. Its a good way to scare off volunteers.

Whenever I'm asked to help a human cause, I smugly reply, "No thanks, I give to animal shelters."

well shit, these assholes act like they are an "employer" or something. ROFL. what a bunch of clowns.

cassey, just ignore the cunt and remember its for the animals, not her, if you can, or just volunteer somewhere else.

as for your friend that got "asked to leave." wow, what a bunch of shit... but what i bet was that they were thinking "lawsuit" maybe... also with volunteers they can discriminate for about anything since it's not "employment"

years ago when i was desperate for a job i went and worked at a shitty answering service. now i have some pretty severe spinal issues and all of their chairs were old, backless, broken down.. the kind of chair i would have been able to sit in at age 20 and just walk away with a mild backache, but for my current condition, it was impossible. i didnt ask for anything expensive, i asked for something just normal, not broken down or backless. well that's when the campaign to get rid of me started. i could have stayed, went through hell, then tried to press a disabilities lawsuit, but the hassle for what little money i could have gotten (this was a small business) wasnt worth it.





casseyrod Wrote:
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> Thanks, yes its unfortunate there is so much
> politics within volunteer groups. I have friends
> who do volunteer work, who tell me the same thing.
>
>
> One friend of mine volunteered full time at a
> shelter, and she inquired about getting a special
> keyboard that prevents carpal tunnel syndrome. She
> didn't demand it, just asked if it was something
> they could get for her. Well, they got upset and
> promptly told her to leave.
>
> This volunteer coordinator at the pet shelter is
> something else. She gets angry if I make little
> mistakes in filling out the calender. Even though
> the medication I take makes my brain fuzzy, I can
> still show up there and clean out litter boxes. I
> can't fill out the calendar correctly, though. At
> least I show up when I say I will, and do the job
> thoroughly. This is not appreciated at all. I was
> the only person who volunteered to clean litter
> boxes and cages.
>
> I plan to report her behavior, once I find out who
> I can talk to about her. After that, I will simply
> find another pet shelter to volunteer at so she
> can't "retaliate" against me for ratting her out.

KidFreeLuvnLife Wrote:
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> Whenever I'm asked to help a human cause, I smugly
> reply, "No thanks, I give to animal shelters."


Oh hon, that's my favorite fuckin line to give my partners limousine liberal fambly. "We don't give to people charities, we give to animals."
LMAO....

And I am chomping at the bit, savoring the fantasy of the day our biz really takes off and we "have more than white people should be allowed to have" (of course, this rule does not apply to any of their rich white asses) and we can rub in their faces about how much we are spending on ourselves and the animal causes of our choice. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! This fantasy keeps me busting my ass every day of the week......

I'll go back to the original subject. Because the fundies believe that every piece of fecal fetal matter should result in a live birth, they should pay the expenses that are now covered by welfare. If they love brats as much as they claim they do, they can each take into their homes a teen ho and her slutspawn. An older bastard factory and all her hellions will do just as well.

After doing that for a while, some of the fundies who don't yet have kids will begin to sound like us! I would love to have more people convert to CF beliefs and screw the "It's for the chillllldren" bullshit.

Keep working more hours, CF people! Millions of breeders depend on us.

MerlynHerne Wrote:
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> Making breeders PAY for their spawn (no welfare
> here) would be the most effective birth control in
> recent history!

They have NOTHING in Africa and they still breed! They starve and they breed. Somehow, we would have to jail people who breed and do not feed the offspring or we would be Africa or Mexico or any other 3rd world country for that matter.

catmeow Wrote:
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> I'll go back to the original subject. Because the
> fundies believe that every piece of fecal fetal
> matter should result in a live birth, they should
> pay the expenses that are now covered by welfare.
> If they love brats as much as they claim they do,
> they can each take into their homes a teen ho and
> her slutspawn. An older bastard factory and all
> her hellions will do just as well.

I support that with all my heart. We seem to have the belief that everyone with a pulse has a right to as many children as they please...and then have the whole fambly taken care of at public expense. Also conveniently forgotten - children of 'bastard factories' often grow up to be career criminals or the next batch of welfare leeches.

Screw that. It's time to return to the system of yore where there weren't 1001 incentives to live on someone else's money. Local charities are far harder to scam than our idiotic government or the branch wing of some big organization. As another plus they have more leeway to give known & suspected leeches the finger instead of goodies.

Too many people are forgetting the Biblical commands about responsibility and keep playing the sad violins. Churchgoers would have their eyes opened about the 'disadvantaged' if they had to directly provide for the existence of a babymomma or three and their illegitimate children. As a bonus a brief 'status report' should be read on each person supported weekly, detailing any and all antics.

Perhaps THEN there would be less support for handouts, more support for incentives like Project Prevention*, birth control, and K.Y.C.L. (100% no-kid success rate).

* http://www.projectprevention.org