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Dorisan
Is this the US? Because those questions (asked directly) are against the law. And looking around a few quick searches, this country isn't the only place where that type of interview deserves a smackdown.
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Dorisan
Is this the US? Because those questions (asked directly) are against the law. And looking around a few quick searches, this country isn't the only place where that type of interview deserves a smackdown.
Yes, it's the same way in Canada. Employers are forbidden to ask questions regarding family status.
Re: diplomatic way of getting around the work question of breeding February 26, 2015 | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 3,454 |
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exile
I wanted to ask my job adviser for how best to tackle these questions in a job interview, but she's pro breeder, I'm not finding any answers across the web, so I thought I'd ask the only people I know who may have had to deal with this exact issue at some point in life, and might be able to share their wisdom to give me ideas.
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Techie
My theory is that male breeders, they are secret little male whores who could not, out of shame, fulfill their desires. When they see others do it, they sit and try to learn and eventually try to do it. They are drawn to it and want to sit there and watch it like a cat who likes to sit there and watch fish swimming in the fish tank.
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Techie
My theory is that male breeders, they are secret little male whores who could not, out of shame, fulfill their desires. When they see others do it, they sit and try to learn and eventually try to do it. They are drawn to it and want to sit there and watch it like a cat who likes to sit there and watch fish swimming in the fish tank.
that's pretty funny.
ive got some ideas at least from here so far, so Cambion's idea crossed with Techie, some where between, throwing the question back on itself, or upselling how much more useful and reliable I am without kids.
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Techie
A: I am here because I want to advance in my career and be the most supportive employee for this company. My work is my priority and my family situation is not that important for this interview as it will be arranged around my work schedule and NOT the other way around.
Re: diplomatic way of getting around the work question of breeding February 28, 2015 | Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 606 |
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Personally, if I was asked that in a job interview, I would terminate it on the grounds of asking discriminatory questions that they have no right to know the answer to and I would tell them I was seeking legal advice.
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@exile: keep in mind that if a company hires you on CF grounds, it is often not all that it is cracked out to be. You maybe working longer hours, doing more work, putting up with more shit and getting less pay than your breeder counterparts.
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blackpearl
...In Finland the woman can take one year maternity leave and another 2 year parenthood leave...
...There are lots of cases when the woman has 3 kids in a row ans stays home for 9 years (!!!) while the company pays...
... Or get a permanent job and gets knocked up soon after it because it's illegal to fire a pregnant woman (Finnish moo forums are filled with these cases). Also when it comes to personal cuts lots of women get pregnant to assure they won't be fired...
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blackpearl
...But also employers, to avoid discrimination and to not be fooled by women who snach a job and then get knocked up, found the solution: offer women temporary jobs...
This is yet another example of things going from one extreme to another. Some are benefiting greatly from the system while others are left holding the bag and paying for others to benefit.Quote
blackpearl
...But there are lots of troubles with these types of contracts because they don't have the benefits permanent contracts have and also it is detrimental for your pensions funds...
I live in a big city, people are known to do all kinds of pranks around here. Lying about having kids and getting a job and better pay of it is the least of it.Quote
blackpearl
As for lying about kids (having them or caring for them), it wouldn't work where i am because it's a small place and people know each other. The truth would come out immediately.
Sometimes, those who initially start out as fighting for the equal rights, they end up gaining more than a fair share. From the political point of view, it is the squeaky wheel that always gets oiled. It was cheaper for them to give special privileges to a relatively small group of women of child bearing age than to try to give something to everyone.Quote
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..if they really cared about work-life balance, they would be fighting for all working adults to have sabbaticals, which would have the effect of making women appear as less of a liability...
Sometimes, depending on the company, their benefits and information is not really posted online and handbook is not really available to read by anyone except employees. It is a bag of tricks at best.Quote
yurble
I usually look at the company's policies. If I see that they offer generous parental benefits beyond what the law requires, I'll say nothing.
There are no huge maternity benefits that are required by law in the USA, but damages that have been done by breeders, male and female ones, are clearly visible. Men with kids earn more, get promoted more often and are much less productive at the same time. Men without kids but who want to breed are even worse, because they do even less and whine even more.Quote
yurble
It infuriates me that in their gimmie gimmie gimmie female breeders have so totally screwed over other women in some countries.
I work in a man dominated field and for same exact "diversity" reason, they hire women of child bearing age. We are told upfront that we are not allowed to complain about them in any way and that NO productivity goals apply to these women because they MUST be employed for our company to exist. Last 2 women, when hired, they already had 2 kids. They both had a 3rd one. Good stuff.Quote
yurble
Lucky for me, I'm "diversity" in my field: an asset because I make them look good. Therefore I have no problems getting interviews, even in countries which offer a lot of entitlement to breeders.
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Techie
I live in a big city, people are known to do all kinds of pranks around here. Lying about having kids and getting a job and better pay of it is the least of it.Quote
blackpearl
As for lying about kids (having them or caring for them), it wouldn't work where i am because it's a small place and people know each other. The truth would come out immediately.
In your case, your only card that you can play is that you say that you physically cannot have kids. But, that's a double edged sword - you could be forced to work a lot more for a whole lot less.
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