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StudioFiftyFour mentioned one of the tenets of the OP as, "And just a wood-burning fireplace in the winter?"
This shows that in some ways the greens don't know what they're talking about. Burning wood in an open fireplace for heat is highly inefficient and does not help much at all if the temperature is much below about 20 F. It also produces noxious smoke—pollution!—and risks setting the structure on fire.
The Franklin stove in the 18th Century was considered a big advance because it allowed maintaining a room temperature of 50 F during chilly winter nights. That sounds a bit too cool compared to normal modern room temperatures, but back then that was miles ahead of the open hearth and open fireplace.
Return to the past? Another note: horses aren't environmentally friendly either. Motor vehicles are generally much cleaner than horses and draft animals.
The environmentalists are correct about population and children being part of a larger problem. But advocating everyone's return to a preindustrial way of life shows they really are off on the wrong foot in many other ways.
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If you want to go full-environmentalist you've got to also advocate for the end of agri-business which consumes a huge amount of petroleum. This means our crop yields will go in the toilet. Food will become very expensive and scarce. Forget about eating less meat... people will be eating less everything!
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I don't know. How many Americans currently have yards that they water and put chemicals on that are currently yielding nothing but grass to be cut? I get far more produce than I can eat from my small garden. If everyone planted their yards with food plants, especially things like potatoes and beans, I think there would be plenty to eat. Dehydration and canning make it possible to store the excess without refrigeration. Every apartment building should have a rooftop garden for the residents, as those have environmental benefits beyond the food they produce.
For those that want meat, entomophagy is the environmental way to go. Bug meat takes much less water and space for lots of protein and micronutrients. Bug livestock can also be raised in an urban environment.
I'm not sanguine about the future, given that your average welfare MOO thinks that chicken nuggets, Happy Meals and cable TV are necessary for survival, but it really takes very little in the way of resources to provide adequate food and shelter for a human. The average diabetic, screen-addicted child would probably be better off after a year of beans and potatoes and candlelight reading.
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