Rise of the antinatalists November 14, 2019 | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 3,842 |
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freya
While I don't agree with anti-natalists that life is an imposition I do agree that people are born under stupid and unfair circumstances way too often. I would guess a number of anti-natalists may have intuited from their parents (or have been told outright) that they are an imposition. As adults, they remained aware and sensitive to this message. And if so, who could fault them for determining life is an imposition? If anything, they've learned from their parents to not breed and repeat the vicious cycle of making another generation feel that they are an imposition.
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Re: Rise of the antinatalists November 16, 2019 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 12,434 |
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kman
Have the rest of you noticed this recent change? I don't know what to make of it.
On the board we talked about how most of the people talking about the environment and climate change had all kinds of ideas for dealing with those problems, but no one wanted to address population growth as one of the causes. Some of them even said it would be wrong to expect people to control how many children they had.
Now suddenly the idea of population control has taken on steam. This year we've been seeing it mentioned more and more in response to environmental concerns. Maybe this could be everyone finally seeing the elephant in the room—or it could be the powers that be who want to control everything and everybody, now raising some trial balloons to get the rest of us used to the concept. I wonder about the latter: governments setting the stage to dictate population control as they plan to dictate everything else.
What do the rest of you think?
Re: Rise of the antinatalists November 20, 2019 | Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 3,712 |
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freya
While I don't agree with anti-natalists that life is an imposition I do agree that people are born under stupid and unfair circumstances way too often. I would guess a number of anti-natalists may have intuited from their parents (or have been told outright) that they are an imposition. As adults, they remained aware and sensitive to this message. And if so, who could fault them for determining life is an imposition? If anything, they've learned from their parents to not breed and repeat the vicious cycle of making another generation feel that they are an imposition.
I didn't get the impression from my parents that I am an imposition, yet I am an antinatlist. I suppose that after I realized that life is basically meaningless, a series of events - most boring, some extremely unpleasant, some nice - with a thread of the lurking fear of death, disease and injury, it was logical for me to reach the conclusion that never having existed is preferable. We all spend so much time fighting against the inevitable decay (brushing your teeth, going to the doctor, sleeping, going to the gym, trying to eat well, etc) and in disconnect from the reality of how it will end....for what?
I am fortunate: both in terms of human history and in the current world, I am in relatively good circumstances. So much human existence is far worse than mine. I find the asymmetry argument compelling, and wonder why those in worse circumstances do not.
Re: Rise of the antinatalists November 20, 2019 | Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 3,712 |
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I don’t think the US government wants to control population. Capitalism needs consumers. Breeders buy a lot of useless shit for their kids, and those kids grow up and continue the cycle. The elite won’t stay elite if the lower classes start making wise financial decisions.
Re: Rise of the antinatalists November 21, 2019 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 12,434 |
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freya
Yurble, I'm only familiar with the high level tenants of anti-natalism. I've known a few anti-natalists and they were self-destructive. I've even considered that life is pointless and not only does it makes me feel awful but it seems to color my reality. When I focus on the parts of life that make me happy my reality is colored in a much more positive light. You seem healthy and happy to me but do you experience life with happiness?
Re: Rise of the antinatalists November 25, 2019 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 1,471 |
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twocents
However one feels about it...
"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/anti-natalists-childfree-population-climate-change""
maybe a few good lawsuits against parents would get their attention.
I think a lawsuit against parunts who knew they carried a deleterius gene and still bred would be a good target.
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