Wonder what this guy's secret is

And, if it's so darn useful, why aren't more men using it?

http://www.stoppayingchildsupport.com/

The gist of the link, if you don't want to click, is basically that some Duh was being charged $2000+ per month in child support, which made him unable to pay his rent and also made him lose his job. Cue the court putting his ass in jail for having no money to give Moo.

Duh contemplates killing moo and then himself, but then he decides that he didn't want to orphan his son, so he instead decides to do some research to find a legal way to avoid paying child support. And, according to him, he DID find a way to opt out of paying kidlet support legally in any state, to remove court orders against the duh, and can be used either to lower support payments to a minimum or to fully end support payments. And this valuable information is only $37.

If I had $40 to spend, I would consider buying this guy's crap jut to see what this magical method of his deals with, and if it's actually legal. I can't imagine so many men would still be paying half their paychecks in kid support if they knew about this. Word gets passed around fast, and if this man's method was as wonderful and effective as he claims, why are there any dads paying kid support? I smell a big, stinky fish here.

(Note: I made a reference to this over on CF_Hardcore, so this is kinda-sorta X-posted)

Thoughts?

This guy's secret is that he's living large off of a bunch of suckers sending him $37!

I really don't trust someone who doesn't know the difference between "their" and "there." He consistantly used "there" incorrectly.

I think this is a good idea because the CSA is so extortion. The payment is normally calculated by the value of the child. How does that work? I don't know and how the hell it work $2k+ per month and how can anyone fork out that much money anyway.

Also I read on the website that duh is nothing but a super-wallet. A moo and loser boyfriend are super-lazy. Living off her ex-paycheck and his hard-earn house he brought.

My advice to people is this and simple
1. Don't get ooped
2. Get a snip

Another thing from the website I read why is this stupid moo is enjoying that her ex going to jail because he has no money. Don't she realise that if her ex - duh is a deadbeat, he is no longer a wallet and no money coming in - meaning she have get out and work her but off.

I realize this varies from state to state, but in Alabama where my ex lived at the time that his child support was calculated, he basically had to have copies of his w-2's, a recent tax return, and copies of ALL of his bills as verification of his expenses. The same was required of her EXCEPT she didn't have to claim the $700 a month she was receiving in child support for 2 other kyds, NOR did she have to claim the food stamps, ADC for one kid, or medicaid cards as monthly income/assets, which easily totalled $2000 had she been required to pay for their insurance through her job (which was available and affordable), pay for food from her nursing salary, or count the bastard kyd's check.

However, when the custody was reversed after we married, they took MY income into account and again, she didn't have to claim any of that other stuff already mentioned NOR did she ever claim any of her 5 subsequent husbands' or various live-ins income either. When that whore got the disposition of child support from the courts she was ordered to pay $139 a MONTH. I might add that she was ALWAYS in arrears and never paid it voluntarily. He spent more money chasing her from hospital to nursing home job having her wages garnished, only for her to be right back employed at the former hospital the next month and the whole process had to start over. NOTHING ever happened to her legally either as every time she appeared before a judge on contempt charges she would give the "I am a single moo of 4" line of bullshit. Every single time the judge would postpone the case 3-6 months to give her time to "get on her feet", and then would re-evaluate. Of course, her situation never got better. I think that in 7 years he received maybe 5-6 checks from the court for child support, but at least he wasn't paying out more than what our house payment was to the whore like he had been in years past.

I have often wondered how the whore is surviving now since they are all over 18 except the one kyd and his grandmoo has custody of him. She has probably latched onto a man. If so, he must be desperate as I have seen that woman naked (entirely by accident) and it's a sight I will never forget, much like Regan's head spinning in The Exorcist or the torso washed up on the beach scene in Jaws.

That's odd: the National Fathers' Rights Association doesn't have a website.

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=%22national+fathers+rights+association%22&btnG=Google+Search

You'd think an organization with such a revolutionary secret would have a heavily trafficked site. There are only 4 results for a search for the name of this organization, none of them the NFRA website.

Smells mighty fishy to me.

The only "legal" way to stop paying child support is to not have an attachable income, to be declared dead, or for the kyd to reach age 19 or die. The way most of them do it in these parts is they manage to get on SSI or SSDI when they are not truly disabled since they continue to work "under the table". The laws are pretty tight about how much, if any, (it varies from state to state) income can be attached from a disability check but it's a percentage of it like with regular income. That way they won't be pestered by the courts to get a job, since they are "disabled", so whatever the moocow gets, if anything, will be a very small amount. Of course, this in and of itself is illegal, but I have heard it's easier to cheat the government than it is to keep a former milkcow from sniffing out income from a baybee daddy.

Another good way to beat the rap would be to move out of the area and get a job where the greater percentage of the salary is commission or bonus' (paid separately)or cash transactions. Then, before any commissions have been earned, turn the new salary into the court system for determination of amount and ALWAYS pay it on time and like clockwork. Simply never make it known about the extra income which is in addition to the base salary. NEVER ever let the whore know you have anything other than a crummy shared apartment, busfare, and balogna and stale bread for food. Too many men let pride get in their way and live it up with another woman on their arms right under the prior moocow's nose. It does nothing but cost them more money and God help them if they seal the deal with the new moo and have "one of their own". When THAT happens, we have all of the claws come out as they each wants what best for THEIR baybee, and will literally ruin the man's finances no matter how much money he has, gets, or earns.

By far the best way to get out of child support payments though is to religiously wrap it or get it snipped. So, to recap my "secrets":

1)Kill yourself
2)The kid dies
3)Get on disability
4)Hide income
5)Prevent the kyd in the first place

I can't imagine I have left any stone unturned, unless of course he is going the "It's not my kyd" angle and challenging paternity. Since the courts are set up in favor of moocows, even that doesn't matter anymore if the man has established a pattern of support. If he was never married to moocow or not the biological duddy matters not when we have a CHHYYLLLLD'S needs on the table.

What about if the father changes his name? Or leaves the country?

Working under the table is a popular way of avoiding kid support too. And then there are the guys who hire hit men to dispose of their exes/girlfriends/wives and unwanted children...which is a little extreme.

And yeah, even if a DNA test shows Duh is not the biological Duh, he could still easily get nailed for kid support because the real father is unknown and faux-Duh is the closest thing to a father figure. And the worst part is the guy can't sue his way out of that sort of arrangement.

Gigabyte Wrote:
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> Another thing from the website I read why is this
> stupid moo is enjoying that her ex going to jail
> because he has no money. Don't she realise that if
> her ex - duh is a deadbeat, he is no longer a
> wallet and no money coming in - meaning she have
> get out and work her but off.

I think Moo just felt a nice rush from knowing that she didn't have to pay kid support and that her ex was festering in prison for daring to not hang around and help care for their spawn. And chances are she didn't lift a finger to do any work...she most likely just lived off the taxpayer's dime like most Moomies do when their primary source of income (Duh's $$$) gets cut off. That, and then there's the pity..."Yeah, my son's father is a deadbeat who doesn't pay a cent in child support. Woe is us." -- conveniently leaving out how the guy is a "deadbeat" because the support payments were far too costly for the man to afford.

It's my opinion that the ENTIRE child support gig in this country needs a major overhaul.

Fucking whores extort money from the fathers WELL BEYOND the age of 18 of the kid by lying that the kid is a kawledge student, meanwhile in all the court hearings, whore moo and the kid consistently fail to produce documents to prove they are a student, meanwhile, the judge keeps giving the mother and kid months long extensions to produce said documentation. All the while, the dad is still being sucked dry of the monthly support payments until the next hearing when they again fail to produce documents and we go round and round and round again.

THEN when it's time and the gig is up (several years later finally), dad sues the mom for the support payments she should not have gotten and is told by the judge, "sorry, you can't have your money back, it's too much of a financial hardship for your ex to come up with that much money."

FUCKING LOAD OF SHIT!

Why does chyld support always seem so excessive? Even in "middle income" (or lower) families, I hear of support of several hundred dollars per month per kid. Does it REALLY cost that much to maintain a kyd? Seems to me $200 or $300 a month would be plenty, depending on the brat's age of course. Chyld support so very often seems like a cash cow (HA) for moos. If it weren't a money-making venture for them, they wouldn't serial breed, extorting chyld support from each successive babydaddy (like I've seen SEVERAL times), to the point where the moos don't have to work. Why should the duhd pay for ALL the support? Isn't moo expected to contribute also?

I'm not saying spermdonors shouldn't support their brats, but if I were in charge I'd change a few things. If the MOO requested the divorce, there should be a cap on how much money she can bleed from babydaddy, say the $200-300 per month I mentioned above. If moo sends the brat to live with babydaddy for the summer (as in so many cases), then she gets NO chyld support during that time. I've never understood that. Yes, moo has to keep paying rent/mortgage during that time, but doesn't babydaddy also have to pay higher housing costs for a big enough house the rest of the year when the brat isn't with HIM??

I'm a woman, and it makes ME cringe how these leeches suck their former partners dry, and how they hide behind the brat's needs in doing so when THEY are the ones cashing in. Fucking pathetic slimeballs!

Men get their asses fucked by the court system ROYALLY. Then they wonder why men disappear to where nobody can find them, and they're never heard from again. Or why there really ARE dead beat dads. All the good dads are the ones who are paying thru the nose for guys who really didn't hold up their end of the deal when the situation was as they wanted it. Women get to rake men over the coals when it comes to child support and the whole visitation shit.

Much as I'd like to support women in general, they are holding the cards and they know it and use it to their advantage. This is why I would never even date a man with a kid under 20. Maybe not even then.

One one hand mothers expect a medal for being strong single mawms and then turn around and cry to the nice man in the expensive suit or black robe about how much they are suffering. It's disgusting, and it reflects badly on all women.

"You can't slit the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve."
-Al Swearingen

Something I just thought of in terms of child support...

My mom told me she and my dad split up when I was one, and their divorce was finalized when I was six. Mom also said that, even though she got full custody of me, she had to pay my dad some very minuscule amount of child support a handful of times. I am an only child. How the hell would that work?

And I so agree, Rose. There are NO bigger, more pathetic martyrs than single mothers. They always pat one another on the back and tell each other and the rest of the world about their struggle, and how strong and godlike they are. And then, a vast majority of the time, their source of income is welfare or child support. And even THEN, most of the time, that money doesn't go toward child care. It goes toward Mommy's manicure or a new Gucci bag...because, since she's suffering so much and all, she has to reward herself a little bit for her saintly efforts. Raising the people who will pay our social security takes a lot out of a woman, dontcha know.

...you forgot the manicures, darling......

"You can't slit the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve."
-Al Swearingen

Child support IS the biggest scam. It is another form of selective socialism. Often, the divorced father gets penalized for having a good job by being forced to fork over MORE for support payments than if he did nothing for himself and skated on minimal-wage jobs. I do agree a man should support his child but there is no reason why one child's mother would be awarded $200/month while another child's mother would get $500+. Neither the children nor the mothers should get to live in the same lifestyles once the marriage ends. The kids should not be near homelessness but there should not be the flash of Daddy's lifestyle because he can afford it and the courts believe kids/mom are owed. If the gig was ended with a set amount, many of these women would think before having a child or filing for divorce. AS for the "secret", it is another website con-game.

The man should have thought of killing the kyd, too so he isn't left an orphan.

That should leave a HUGE message about child support screwing men over enough to go nuts on the family.

Change your name and move to Mexico or overseas, I guess....
"sneak out" of the country.

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lab mom

Water Lily, many states have statues requiring a man's passport, driver's license, or professional license to be taken if he is behind on child support. This is clearly worse than the Mafia extorting businesses to ante up for "protection". A man should pay until he is ready to leave the country and then send an "F-U" letter to the ex. That is if he is able to live outside of the USA.

The current CS laws are a bunch of bull that gives one person the right to restrict another's travel ability and lifestyle in order to extort money, which is further backed up by legal powers (police, courts). Oh and let's not forget the stupid talking heads in the mass media who condemn said person if he is caught being 'negligent' or escaping.

It makes my blood boil when I read of some slimeball who left his girl with a baby and a broken heart...but women are being given way too much power in this situation.

And yes unfortunately the 'secret' is a 'net scam.

You want a secret? Here's a few.

"Don't be a fool, wrap your tool."

Don't bring a girl home - EVER. With one 911 phone call screaming you hit her (true or not) she can have you arrested and KICKED OUT OF YOUR OWN HOME while she stands there and laughs. (it's called a move-out order or somesuch)

Don't marry. She will get the kids and half of *all* your assets, not just ones she even did a lick of work for, 90% of the time in a divorce. And that's if you're lucky. If you must marry, find a woman who grew up outside the United States or at the very least has her head on straight.

My uncle in N.Y. pays an ASTOUNDING 1,200.00 dollars a mother fucking MONTH to his crazy ex-wife...for one kid!! O N E K I D !!!!!

He's now living in an efficiency apt. and struggling financially. Fucking leach, the system is completely screwed up.

I am here to tell you guys that there is no getting out of this shit. Not legally, anyway. As I have mentioned before, I am married to a breeder. Huge mistake, but I digress....

When we got married, mooskank was pissed of and jealous over it, as they usually are. She took every possible opportunity to call my husband and threaten to 'take him back to child support court' for more money, because apparently, she thought MY income was going to be considered in the support of her two mistakes. Wrong! I, being very unhappy about the outgoing brat support to begin with, got sick to death of her shit after several months, and told my husband I was going to call a lawyer and see if there was something that could be done about her harrassment. We did some figuring on brat support calculators on the internet, and it turned out that he had been paying TOO MUCH to begin with, due to some miscalculations at the time of the divorce. He had also been responsible for their health insurance for the past few years, since their divorce. She thought she didn't have her fat, ugly hand deep enough into his wallet, but somehow she was going on cruises, bought a 2008 SmooV, and was planning a 2-week trip to Alaska. We drive 10 year old cars, and have never been on a cruise. Funny how that works.

We had a consultation with a lawyer, and he agreed that this needed to go back to court, but not in her favor. When it was all said and done, he ended up paying $200 a month less in support, and she is now responsible for the health insurance, saving us approximately $600 a month. She fucked herself with her threats, and she was messing with the wrong bitch (me).

str8six Wrote:
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> My uncle in N.Y. pays an ASTOUNDING 1,200.00
> dollars a mother fucking MONTH to his crazy
> ex-wife...for one kid!! O N E K I D !!!!!
>
> He's now living in an efficiency apt. and
> struggling financially. Fucking leach, the system
> is completely screwed up.

That is what the mover, who owned the truck, pays his ex-girlfriend in New Hamshire where he and she live for ONE child. The support is selective socialism. The fellow, who moved us to Alabama from Florida, said if was on disability or working at McDonalds how he would maybe have to pay $50/per month. Because he and his best friend run a lucrative business and work d@mn hard at it, he is penalized because the moo feels she does not have to work. What is insult to injury is this man did not know about his child until he was 8 months old! I hope he got a DNA test on that baby. Wanna bet how this woman probably had been "daddy shopping" hoping she would snag a wannabe-Donald Trump? This selective socialism has to end because it encourages looting from those who actually work to have something.