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Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab

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Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
"Mich. dad told to pay for child's birth or wed mom

Monday, January 19, 2009




FLINT, Mich. — The state of Michigan is giving a father a choice: pay the medical cost of his daughter's birth or marry the girl's mother.
Gary Johnson was billed $3,800 for the birth of his daughter JaeLyn, The Flint Journal reported in Sunday online editions. Johnson is not married to the child's mother, Rebecca Witt.
The Michigan Legislature amended the state's paternity act five years ago to waive birthing costs for a father, if he married the child's mother. A year later, Witt gave birth to JaeLyn. The state paid for the hospital costs because Witt was on Medicaid at the time and is now trying to recover the money. Jack Battles, the Genesee County Friend of the Court, said the law is an incentive to maintain the sanctity of marriage.
"It's totally up to them," said Battles, whose office enforces paternity rulings, child support and other aspects of family law. Until Johnson can produce a marriage license, "they have to pay."



Johnson and Witt said they want to marry eventually, but Witt said she wants her marriage date to be her choice."I don't think anybody should tell me when to get married," said Witt. "I would like to have a nice wedding, and I can wait for it." Witt and Johnson said they have been struggling since the state started coming after Johnson for the hospital costs. Johnson said he was told he would be billed $500 a month and planned to meet with a caseworker to work out a solution. "Losing just $10 hurts us," said Johnson, who makes $8 an hour at a Grand Blanc-area nursery. "We don't have a car, we don't even have an oven." Johnson said he understood the state wants to promote marriage for parents but he respects Witt's position. "It's a woman's dream to have the best wedding she can have," he said."





eye rolling smiley This is so fucked up that I don't know where to begin. FIRST of all, why should they get a free pass on a $3800 hospital bill JUST because they got married? I never got any "bill waivers" on hospital bills due to my marital status, so why should anyone else? Also, it's been FOUR YEARS since they accrued this bill, so is there not some time limit to this nonsense? ANY old whore could manage to snare a baybee daddy wannabe in FOUR YEARS, who isn't even the father of the kyd. Do they just erase every single moo baybee squat bill IF they should happen to later marry? That just REALLY pisses me off. So, four years later they don't have a car or even an oven, and "losing" $10 "hurts" them, so WHY did they have a damn baybee in the first place? I would stake a pretty high wager too that this is NOT the only child in the picture. I understand that medicaid is trying to collect what they have already paid out, but if these moocows get married, then where does this charged off account go, stray sock heaven? shrug


The last thing that grinds my gears is this waiting on this ".....woman's dream for the best wedding...", bullshit. I think it is LUDICROUS that anyone who has been shacking for years AND has a 4 year old (or even older by then) would even entertain the thought of a big wedding. The only "wedding" that they should be thinking about is a courthouse one. It's obvious to me that the welfare office has just recently caught up with this moocow and her worthless scumbag boyfriend. EVERYONE knows that this is how they play the game;They shack, don't report the man's income, get themselves and the kyd on medicaid, apply for and get welfare, foodstamps, and a nice monthly check to boot. So, they FINALLY run down one of these deadbeats and instead of locking them both up for fraud and/or garnishing his wages, they offer to wipe their debt clean IF they do what they should have done BEFORE the kyd was born and get married. See, if they do that though, she will have to come up off that welfare and we ALL know that ain't happening. ranting


I HATE welfare whores and their men because they are completely worthless. FOUR years and the stupid bastard makes a sketchy $8 an hour, at best, and you can BET that the bitch is a SAHMooooooo, at the tax payers' expense.:sbx
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
Isn't this just the shit? These FUCKING women. I'm ashamed some days to be a chick.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
how dare a state, decide what to do. where is the freedom. marry(and pay) or pay.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
But people, you must remember that she's doing The Most Important Job In The World. Also, just because she's a worthless welfare cow doesn't mean that she isn't entitled to Have A Dream Wedding! Gosh, you guys are harsh!winking smiley
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
Both of them are complete fall down losers- they want it both ways, and she wants the white wedding on top. Heaven help us they decide to do the right thing- they don't even have a nodding acquaintance with responsibility. I recommend www.fark.com for trainwreck stories like this.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
i dont like the way the state could essentially force people to do something they didnt want too. so what if they didnt get married and waiting for the right time.. its an intrusion of the state into a personal matter.

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
I can see a certain logic to holding him responsible for his reproductive actions. He undoubtedly knew where babies came from and didn't take the necessary steps to prevent one. (If he did, he should be trying to prove she took exceptional steps of her own to get a baby, which should eliminate his responsibilities.)

However, it takes two to tango, as they say. She knew where babies came from too. She also undoubtedly knew that in our culture the worst that could happen to him (aside from having to marry the cow) would be child support payments. She'd get stuck with the little parasite for 18 years. So clearly it should be a hell of a lot more important to her to not get pregnant if she doesn't want to get pregnant.



As far as the court ruling goes, that's a no-brainer. Marry the cow that took you to court (what a hell of a great foundation for a marriage, "I'm only here 'cause they forced me to marry you.") and see every dime you earn spent on "the family" or don't marry the cow, get saddled with some birthing expenses and child support, and still be able to drink beer and watch football in your underwear without emotionally scarring some carpet gremlin.

Would you rather be anally raped by a baseball bat or a fire hydrant? Gee, tough choice...
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
I'm delighted that my state taxes are going to cover the poor choices of people who can't afford said choices themselves. I'm also glad that my economically devastated state is devoting its resources to prying into the personal lives of its citizens in lieu of spending more time on, oh, I dunno, salvaging our tattered economy. Yay!
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KidFreeLuvnLife
Isn't this just the shit? These FUCKING women. I'm ashamed some days to be a chick.

Seconded.
Here's an idea:
Get married. Ask for an oven as a wedding gift.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
What's disgusting about this story is that Medicaid is picking up the tab all the time for lowlifes like this. angry smiley
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
What gets me is how these people claim they are not ready to get married at that time but have no issue having a child out-of-wedlock. Often, I wonder if it is because the couple knows the state will pick up the tab for the birth of the baby and how the child will remain on the state's Medicaid, welfare, WIC, and food stamps while the moo does remain unmarried. I worked with a woman whose daughter is married to an illegal. When the daughter got pregnant, she was also on Medicaid due to the husband's status and how he could not work a job where there would be benefits paid out. At one job, I had a plan that was free to employees (no payroll deduction) yet the deductible was something like $1000 a year! I never went to the doctor under that plan due to not making enough $. I just dealt with it on my own when I took ill. I have been uninsured off and on throughout the years until I got married again. My health care plan was "pray I do not get sick". No state worker was laying in wait to give Medicaid to a childfree woman who worked more than full-time. People should choose when to get married. My only disagreement is when the state and the taxpayers have to pay for this child because two people who make hardly any money chose to have a child they cannot afford to support.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
I think that they should be responsible for the bill MARRIED or NOT married. Medicaid has determined that the baybee daddy has the means to make payments on the bill, so he should pay, REGARDLESS of their marital status or what a burden it is on their finances. It "burdens" the HELL out of my finances to have to pay bills, but no one is dangling a carrot in front of MY face or giving me any options to get a freebie. SOMEONE must have reported this welfare whore or the state welfare office would have had NO WAY of knowing about who the baybee daddy was, where he worked or even IF he worked. Surely to God they weren't stupid enough to voluntarily provide that info? MOST welfare lifers are more savy about the system than these two genius'. They got caught doing what these welfare whores do 24/7/365, which is lie about baybee daddy support or income and lie that they even know the identity of the baybee daddy. The last time I checked, when someone was guilty of fraud, which is of course what this CLEARLY is, they were arrested, not offered an option of how to make their fraud charge "go away". This is ABSURD.ranting
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
the fact that marriage is now rewarded by no bills, thats what really gets me annoyed. the choice to wed should be yours not a 3rd party, oh you cant get any birthcontrol pills unless you are married, you cant have this as you arent married..

as soon as you are we can give you all this stuff.. thats my objection.

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
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mercurior
the fact that marriage is now rewarded by no bills, thats what really gets me annoyed. the choice to wed should be yours not a 3rd party, oh you cant get any birthcontrol pills unless you are married, you cant have this as you arent married..

as soon as you are we can give you all this stuff.. thats my objection.





I agree with that too Merc, but the way this is playing out they COULD get married to a completely different man (AND new baybee daddy) 5, 6, 7 years down the road, ON THEIR OWN TERMS and of their own volition, and get their debt with the hospital wiped clean. It's none of the state's business who gets married, when, or why for that matter, unless of course there are legal reasons that they should not be married. However, I don't think that their marital status should be a factor in ANY way regarding whether they are held liable for paying THEIR BILL whether it's for gall bladder surgery, a heart transplant, or to shit a baybee. Basing someone's legal liability for debt based solely on their marital status is illegal in every other form from housing rent/mortgages, credit card bills, bank notes, and any OTHER hospital bill even. They should get a judgement against the stupid bastard's $8 an hour paycheck and start garnishment proceedings. If he quits his job then they should just continue to renew the judgement whenever they need to, and attach leins to his property and income tax refunds until the debt is PAID IN FULL.


I would be willing to bet that one or possibly both of them got a HUGE income tax refund check this past April with their low income and that "earned income tax credit" nonsense. Some of these whores around here work it so they get 5-8k back when they are only required to actually "earn" $3600 in a year to qualify, IF they have a shitloaf. I know of no other state in The United States who has this ridiculous "act" either, so I figure it was some breeder savy, religious fundie, state politician who pushed it on through and I would like to know who was responsible for it too. ranting
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
Is that a state of religious nut jobs? IMO, all guy should have to do is pay the whore child support.



lab mom
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 20, 2009
Michigan has religious fundies but not as many as bible belt. Michigan is just trying to unload women off welfare by marrying them off. Baby daddy at one time was probably earning some sort of a wage. Even at $8.00/hour they could garnish something. If he marries her, it will be harder for her to get welfare.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 21, 2009
Can child support be demanded if the couple is still married? If so, what is stopping the guy from marrying the bitch and leaving without divorcing her or refusing a divorce? Sure, he couldn't legally marry again, but I think for a lot of men, that would be a small price to pay for not being made to pay $1200 a month in kidlet support.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 21, 2009
if they are abandoned, yes.


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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 21, 2009
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mercurior
i dont like the way the state could essentially force people to do something they didnt want too. so what if they didnt get married and waiting for the right time.. its an intrusion of the state into a personal matter.

I'm sure you'll agree with me though: by the same token, neither should the taxpayers be required to suport this whore.
The state is intruding their (the whores) personal choices and freedoms on the rest of us. Confiscating what 'traditional' minded people work had and make to hand out (no explanations and no investigation, or at least very little.. these limosine liberal state agencies seem to be very very reluctant to prosecute these moocows) to worthless sluts playing house with real live dollies. (And thoroughly destroy said dollies in the process at the same time.)
They hide behind the damn sprogg to accomplish this thievery.

two cents ¢¢

CERTIFIED HOSEHEAD!!!

people (especially women) do not give ONE DAMN about what they inflict on children and I defy anyone to prove me wrong

Dysfunctional relationships almost always have a child. The more dysfunctional, the more children.

The selfish wants of adults outweigh the needs of the child.

Some mistakes cannot be fixed, but some mistakes can be 'fixed'.

People who say they sleep like a baby usually don't have one. Leo J. Burke

Adoption agencies have strict criteria (usually). Breeders, whose combined IQ's would barely hit triple digits, have none.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 21, 2009
Always make the taxpayers pay. (assholes on welfare) :flaming



lab mom
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 21, 2009
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Cambion
Can child support be demanded if the couple is still married? If so, what is stopping the guy from marrying the bitch and leaving without divorcing her or refusing a divorce? Sure, he couldn't legally marry again, but I think for a lot of men, that would be a small price to pay for not being made to pay $1200 a month in kidlet support.

Even a divorced mother who has her child in the system for whatever reason can also be forced to ante up. A friend had her son, who was mentally disabled, at a school where his needs could be met. When she sold her house in Fairfax, CA, the state did take some of the proceeds. Granted, my friend has disability: post-polio and some other stuff. She got mad at the county but she always shops at Macy's and goes on religious retreats for her religion. Even to this day, she buys from that store. I only shop at Dillards when there is 75% off special! There is a trust fund from her parents who are deceased but her church holds onto it so the county cannot take away benefits. This woman has lived better than I have even when I worked 2 jobs! An ex-husband's sister was required to pay several thousands of dollars for her delinquent son who had to live in a group home setting after he got out of juvenile hall. Again, this is California. I, for one, am glad the state there has required parents to pay for their offsprings' care or incarceration. Everyone wants socialism except when it is for a person who does not have children but still has run into financial trouble. We are on our own if something happens to our work or spouses and have no family to help or love us.
Re: Dad Told to Either Marry the Moo or Pay the Birth Tab
January 21, 2009
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Muslimah
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Cambion
Can child support be demanded if the couple is still married? If so, what is stopping the guy from marrying the bitch and leaving without divorcing her or refusing a divorce? Sure, he couldn't legally marry again, but I think for a lot of men, that would be a small price to pay for not being made to pay $1200 a month in kidlet support.

Even a divorced mother who has her child in the system for whatever reason can also be forced to ante up. A friend had her son, who was mentally disabled, at a school where his needs could be met. When she sold her house in Fairfax, CA, the state did take some of the proceeds. Granted, my friend has disability: post-polio and some other stuff. She got mad at the county but she always shops at Macy's and goes on religious retreats for her religion. Even to this day, she buys from that store. I only shop at Dillards when there is 75% off special! There is a trust fund from her parents who are deceased but her church holds onto it so the county cannot take away benefits. This woman has lived better than I have even when I worked 2 jobs! An ex-husband's sister was required to pay several thousands of dollars for her delinquent son who had to live in a group home setting after he got out of juvenile hall. Again, this is California. I, for one, am glad the state there has required parents to pay for their offsprings' care or incarceration. Everyone wants socialism except when it is for a person who does not have children but still has run into financial trouble. We are on our own if something happens to our work or spouses and have no family to help or love us.




The welfare hillbilly breeders around these parts are WAY too smart for any of that. Their homes are NEVER in their names, nor their cars, boats, or anything that has a tag, tax, or title documented with the county, city, or state. They NEVER know who the baybee daddy is either, although they take money from him under the table all of the time. The only time a baybee daddy is named to the courts is when he has latched onto another whore and baybee mama number one gets jealous. This area is steeped in "famblee tradition", in certain white trash hillbilly circles, and there is always an elderly aunt or meemaw or lets the boys, even if it's 11 or 12 grandsons, cousins, etc......put everything he owns or has in her name.
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