Brat attacks cat with scissors

This post is taken form a parenting board:

"I just caught my 3-year-old son in the bathroom, with scissors after he tried to
cut my cats ears and fur off. Andy, my cat, only has a nick out of one
of his ears (thank goodness) chunks of his short fur cut off, and all of
his wiskers on his face are now missing. Andy came out of the bathroom
with bandaides all over his ear. I don't know what to do with my son. How
do I teach him that this is not appropriate. I immediately, put him in
his room and told him that he is NOT to cut the cats with scissors
ever, and that he hurt the cat. I don't know if he comprehends it. He
is "normal" but lately Opositional Difiant Disorder is
coming to mind on how to explain his recent behavior. He consistantly
shoves the cats into closets, cabinets, etc. and locks them in. My cats
are about 14 years old, and can't take the abuse that he does to them.
He wont leave them alone. Any hints please on how to handle
this, or is this typical 3 year old behavior?"

Oh! I've got a hint!

Get rid of your brat and keep the kitties.

Seriously, the Ramones song "Beat on the Brat" would apply here. :C s

Oppositional Defiant Disorder? More like Crazy-A**-Rabid-Brat Disorder to me. :C

LITTLE MONSTER!

SLAP THE SNOT OUT OF HIM!

Heck, just let CPS take that whelp away and be placed in another home where there are NO cats for him to hurt them!

WTF! I would beat the living shit out of that kyd! (and that's why I will never have any) Poor kitties.

If she had tanned his hide the very first time he showed even the slightest agressive behavior toward one of the animals it never would have gotten to this point. And where the hell was she when her 3 year-old was digging up a pair of scissors, collecting the cats, and locking himself in the bathroom with them? A brat that age should not be allowed out of the sight of a responsible adult for more than 30 seconds at a time. You made the little bastard, you watch it.

And the comment, "or is this typical 3 year-old behavior" really pisses me off. If she were to hear that it is typical (hell no, it's not!), would she then just allow it to continue?

Oppositional Defiant Disorder? Now I have heard it all. What a load of horse s**t.

Here's an easy solution: keep the cat and adopt out the kid. He's on his way to becoming a psychopath.

Kill the child. Now.

ODD my ass...Psycho torture murderer in training is more like it.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

Did she actually ask if this is typical behavior? For any age?

If this behavior is not met with a good ass-whuppin', it will only get worse. What is wrong with the brat?

A 3 y/o is PLENTY old enough to understand that scissors cut, that animals bleed and can feel pain, and that it is mean and wrong to cut a kitty. Scissors should also not be within easy access to a child of that age either for his own safety and the safety of others. This is one of those times when I think that immediate, swift, and corporal punishment is required. The kyd should have been spanked until he was uncontrollably wailing, then tossed into a locked room and allowed to simmer for a while. Then, the moo should have explained why this was such a HORRIBLE thing to do, dropped a major guilt trip bomb on him about the poor kitty and his pain, and if the kyd didn't seem to "get it", it would be TO THE SHRINK by the morrow. Those cats (and any other animals) need to be re-homed or temporarily housed somewhere safe until they are POSITIVE that the little psycho will not harm them again,


It wouldn't be a bad idea to lock him in his room at night should he get the desire to wander the house with a butcher knife either. Creepy kyds like this give me the heebie jeebies. I happen to think that very young NON abused kyds who take it upon the,themselves to abuse animals are bad seeds and need to be euthanized. No amount or type of treatment can make a natural born killer change his thought processes and society and animals are always in danger as long as he breathes. Kyd cuts kitty ears today and next year it's pouring cleaning fluid in little Susie's milk, Then small neighborhood pets and other animals disappear throughout his Jr high years, then in High school it's stabbing the school mascot to death. If he manages to get away with all of that, then he might just end up in the crime library under "Serial Killers". IMO.

I'd be stabbing that little fucker's eyes out with scissors if I witnessed that. The kid is not normal...to want to cut *things* like paper or fabric or even hair is excusable, but living creatures are not meant to get cut up. And you just know if the cat dug the brat up but good, he'd go screaming to Mommy and the cat would get put down for being vicious.

I hope the cat runs away to a nice CF home. He deserves so much better than that shit.

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It wouldn't be a bad idea to lock him in his room at night

Or put him in a cobweb-ridden cupboard under the stairs like Harry Potter's aunt and uncle did!

If he keeps this up, he would be cutting off tits and clits of dead young girls with scissors by high school!

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It wouldn't be a bad idea to lock him in his room at night

Or put him in a cobweb-ridden cupboard under the stairs like Harry Potter's aunt and uncle did!

what if she doesn't have one? I personally would like to take the scissors to the brat. Or ditch him in the middle of the woods when it hits 10 below.

KILL the kid. I know I would... Christ...

What were some of the replies to the post?

kids are becoming monstrous, and exused everything of he has this disorder, when a good smack around the legs or head, would minimize it.

but some kids are just plain evil.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

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What a vicious little bastard

And no, dumb bitch moo, it isn't typical behaviour for a brat of any age. By age three the little fucker should understand that a cat is a living creature who can feel pain - this tells me that his conscience isn't forming which it should be by now.

The moo should thrash the shit out of him and take him to a shrink - in that order.

When I was younger, I naively thought that no one was born evil. I no longer believe that and think that some kids are just bad seeds and should be euthanized for the sake of society.

perhaps he was cosseted, and kept safe and doesnt realise what pain is. since he never had pain.. he is still evil..

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

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What were some of the replies to the post?

Sometimes, 3 year olds just don't know the effect that their actions have on either other people, or animals. I wouldn't be so quick to consider ODD. But he really needs to learn that this behaviour is unacceptable, and that he will be punished if he repeats it. But it seems as if you're already taking steps to make sure he knows that. By doing what?

First off, this child is only three years old. What might be a good idea is to make sure you always supervise him. If you see him doing something he isn't suppose to with the cats seperate him and them. Three years old is really young. What I wonder is, how do you discipline your three year old? If you are using physical punishment, spanking, you might considering not doing that. Why not? That might get the message across.

This is a three year old child!!! Please do not label him as a serial killer this early in the game, sheesh!
I have read this sort of thing in children can be a symptom of domestic violence in the home. I would seek family counselling. Or it could just be a rotten kid. Why is it never the kid's fault?

[OP]: Those that can't say anything appropriate, then say NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God forbid someone say her kid is any less than a perfect little prince.:bawl

You're right. 3 year-old boys shall not be denied the pleasure of torturing and disfiguring the animal of their choice. Animal shelters are full of potential victims. And after animals, the victims can be obtained at homeless shelters, bus-stations, places from which human beings who don't matter can disappear without being missed.

Why discipline when you can enable? Can't say I disagree...

FrogGirl, I am so sorry how you've been treated through this thread. I think what we have all learned is that this forum is like any other on the web: NEVER post anything too personal, too revealing or too intimate. The f u c k-tards (see list above) will never pass up an opportunity to pass judgement on another person so long as they can walk away feeling better about themselves. No, they're just saying her kid is possibly disturbed and she doesn't want to hear such heresy. :hello

For one, it seems that the child is not fully comprehending the consequences of his actions. That's really not weird for a three year old at all, and given time and proper direction that's something he'll most likely learn. In the meantime, however, it's really not fair to the cat to leave him in the path of potential harm just because you know your son didn't really understand what he was doing, and wouldn't have done it if he had understood. That isn't protecting either the cat or the child. The child needs time and the right environment to learn this lesson in a way that his healthy for him, and not harmful to anyone or anything else. If you really worry that he might physically harm the cat again, then the cat doesn't belong in your child's environment. (I'm not saying get rid of the cat, just ask a friend to keep him for a while until you feel the two are going to be safe together again.) A spanking might be the healthiest option. Gets the message across swiftly, with emphasis, and without any permanent harm.:bdid

I think the movie Untraceable (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0880578) might have added fuel to the fire. In the movie, a 19-year-old hacker was committing murders and broadcasting them on the internet. He started by torturing and killing a cat (presumably to test the popularity of his website), then did the same thing to multiple human victims. In the OP's post, the child tortured a cat. I'm sure some people jumped to conclusions. Yeah, because we're all so vapid that we base our systems of ethics on what we see in popular movies.

if they have read the dsm iv, and other psychologist who study serial killers, they will see torturing animals is one of the keys..

Fourteen Characteristics of a Serial Killer. Could you be raising a criminal? Acts of violence don't come out of nowhere, and every parent should be aware of the clues along the way. (Too bad my parents weren't.) For the most violent of criminals, there are warning signs that often start in childhood. Below is a list of the 14 most common traits of serial killers:

Over 90 percent of serial killers are male

They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range

They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

They hate their fathers and mothers.

They are commonly abused as children: psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

They have high rates of suicide attempts.

From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic pornography.

More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.

They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI Special Agent Robert K. Ressler
"The Serial Killer," Harold Schechter


http://www.ehow.com/how_2283785_recognize-early-warning-signs-serial.html

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

The reason people " jumped to that conclusion" is that several decades' worth of FBI profilers have established there's a link between a triad of symptoms seen in childhood (bedwetting, deliberate arson, and torturing animals) and becoming a serial killer later in life . And that of course is precisely WHY the makers of that film had their sociopath torturing that cat first-because they knew of the link, and they supposed any half way educated, literate audience member would know of it as well. And this ignoramus ASSumes people think that torturing animals leads to serial killing because of one, count 'em, ONE movie-!!!! Gawd, people are mind bogglingly ignorant!

(For the record : For bedwetting they meant persistent bedwetting long past an age where you'd expect poor bladder control, especially if there's reason to believe the person is doing it deliberately to annoy or offend others. For arson, they don't mean "playing with matches", they mean actually trying to set fires especially when it's likely to lead to loss of life. And for torturing animals, they don't mean "pulling the wings off flies"; they mean inflicting mutilation and death on animals like dogs, cats, puppies, kittens, bunnies...Companion animals with expressive eyes and ability to communicate distress. IOW, this triad is NOT the same as what's FBOW considered normal childhood behavior or problems, but something more severe.)

exactly mimi, you said it better, not all these triggers mean it leads to as well.. theres an indefinable thing is some people and it doesnt turn them.

you can have a few of the symptoms and while it makes you sick, it doesnt mean you are potential killer.

i knew one lad, and he was scary, he was 4 and he scared a 34 year old man. dead eyes, no empathy, a sexual kink with his sister, loved fires, in the bad way, stood on cats on purpose. very violent towards anyone.

i can see him being the next serial killer (very over protective mother)

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

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What a vicious little bastard

And no, dumb bitch moo, it isn't typical behaviour for a brat of any age. By age three the little fucker should understand that a cat is a living creature who can feel pain - this tells me that his conscience isn't forming which it should be by now.

The moo should thrash the shit out of him and take him to a shrink - in that order.

When I was younger, I naively thought that no one was born evil. I no longer believe that and think that some kids are just bad seeds and should be euthanized for the sake of society.

It's very difficult for a normal person to believe that there really are people who are born evil, until they have seen it for themselves. I have seen actual evil in small children and it is NOT to be confused with "normal" trantrum-like behavior, or not comprehending that certain things are dangerous or could cause others' pain. I am not 100% sure if they are born that way or it's behind the scene bad parenting, but I have known kyds like this with seemingly good parents and the little bastards are EVIL. They inflict physical pain on their caregivers, siblings, even strangers and animals too, They will scoop fish out of a tank and watch them suffocate when they KNOW that they have to be in water to live, they will rip a kitten or puppy from it's mom and hide it, they will capture frogs and lizards and burn their skin off with matches or mirrors tilted just right in the sun, and any number of other forms of animal cruelty and it only escalates. ALL serial killers were once cruel to animals, BIG RED FLAG THERE MOOMIE. I believe that children should ALWAYS be investigated in a mysterious sibling death such as SIDS, falling and drowning "accidents", and drug overdoses, etc.......


The telltale signs that the kyd is evil (and responsible for) after it "accidentally" hurts or kills an animal (or person) is that it will; (IMHO).

1) Acknowledge that he was present when the incident took place.
I have noticed that they ALWAYS seem to be willing to recount verbatim, what happened and how and offer up that they were present during whatever happened, which I think is odd. A "normal" kyd would be too distraught and upset that his sibling, the famblee cat, or his pet bird was dead or injured and would likely block out what he saw in his mind and not be able to immediately start talking about it, completely tearless. A "normal" kyd wouldn't start spouting off what he had seen and would likely want to distance himself from the situation, rather than draw probing questions with claims to have been present. I think that they can disassociate so well, that having been present doesn't affect them like it would a "normal" person.


2)It will claim to have witnessed the accident, but won't claim any direct or indirect participation
Similar to acknowledging his presense, he will often have a semi-plausible explanation as to what happened, and will sometimes even draw info from prior "accidents" and make up a copy cat story. Such as, "Kenny fell down the basement stairs and hit his head, just like last week, only this time he didn't get up". Of course in the prior "non death" related accident, "Kenny" merely stumbled over the last step and skinned his knee, where as THIS "accident" caused a cracked skull and was a fall from the top of the stairwell. It's even possible I think, that the recent minor (and legitimate accident) gave him the idea on how to get rid of "Kenny" in the first place. The way they describe the "accident" is often with the skill of an older psychopath and they tell way too many "details" for their age and for what they have just seen/experienced. It leads me to believe that they actually premeditated it and replayed what they would say in their minds.


3) When the questioning leans toward their involvement, they assign blame.
This is perhaps the MOST frightening of all because it will involve an innocent person and is usually someone who is arm's length from the kyd such as a baybee sitter, a foster parent, or a boyfriend/girlfriend who is looking after the kyds. This is an ESPECIALLY suspect thing when one or the other parent or some adult who is significant in the kyd's life, has expressed a dislike for this other person and the kyd knows it. The best example of this in recent years is of the 50 y/o man who had been a foster parent along with his wife for over 17 years. They NEVER had any abuse claims and fostered nearly 100 kyds and had 2 contributing to society adult sons by this point who were absolutely outraged. Synopsis:


2 boys aged about 1 and nearly four were placed in their care due to moomie being unfit because she wouldn't leave her abusive husband. She was burning up the floor in famblee court trying to get them back. She immediately didn't like the foster dad and said shitty things about him to everyone she knew and she was allowed visits (away from the foster home) with those boys. The boys had documentable and verifiable transcripts of their interaction with one another and even on tape, the older boy would attack the younger, try and choke, beat, smother him with pillows, blankets, and couch cushins, beat him about the head, etc...... SIX former sitters, including a few blood relatives, testified that they were concerned about the older boys' aggressive behavior toward his younger brother. A week before his little brothers' murder, the foster mother called the state to see about getting the boy other placement or special treatments with a shrink due to his erractic and abusive behavior, but she hadn't made it to the appointment before the younger boy was killed, although her call was recorded.


The little bastard yelled out that something was wrong with his brother, both foster parents rushed in the bedroom and the dad began CPR while foster mom called 9-11, the boy died. It was found that he had been foricibly suffocated. The older boy told his mom that "Steve put a pillow over his face and he don't like pillows on his face", and he said several times, "Steve did it!". He also went on with an elaborate story about how the foster dad killed his brother because he was "..... crying and wouldn't lay down...,", to how he put the pillow over his face until he stopped crying, etc........ and they let this shit go to court. After a year, the man was acquitted, but the moomie and half of that white trash famblee are angry and the moomie says, "I believe my son".


I have no doubt that the boy killed his brother after having watched him on tape talking about it. I also have no doubt that he understood what he was doing and was smart enough to blame someone who his mother would believe did it too. Of course nothing I observed was mentioned on the documentary, like how did he KNOW that his brother didn't like the pillow on his face? They just skimmed over all of that evidence and focused on the juicy stuff. At least the jury saw through it and an innocent man didn't go to prison, although he aged 10 years in that one hellish year and they no longer take in foster kyds. His life will never be the same and there will ALWAYS be people who believe that he murdered a small child. Moomie told the little bastard that he was like Spiderman and was "saving" his little brother by telling the court what Steve did to him. She tells the little killer that "Steve" is in jail, you know, so he won't be skeered.:bawl

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This post is taken form a parenting board:

"I just caught my 3-year-old son in the bathroom, with scissors after he tried to
cut my cats ears and fur off. Andy, my cat, only has a nick out of one
of his ears (thank goodness) chunks of his short fur cut off, and all of
his wiskers on his face are now missing. Andy came out of the bathroom
with bandaides all over his ear. I don't know what to do with my son. How
do I teach him that this is not appropriate. I immediately, put him in
his room and told him that he is NOT to cut the cats with scissors
ever, and that he hurt the cat. I don't know if he comprehends it. He
is "normal" but lately Opositional Difiant Disorder is
coming to mind on how to explain his recent behavior. He consistantly
shoves the cats into closets, cabinets, etc. and locks them in. My cats
are about 14 years old, and can't take the abuse that he does to them.
He wont leave them alone. Any hints please on how to handle
this, or is this typical 3 year old behavior?"

I have some advice. "Caylee Anthony" your son.

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kidlesskim
A 3 y/o is PLENTY old enough to understand that scissors cut, that animals bleed and can feel pain, and that it is mean and wrong to cut a kitty. Scissors should also not be within easy access to a child of that age either for his own safety and the safety of others. This is one of those times when I think that immediate, swift, and corporal punishment is required. The kyd should have been spanked until he was uncontrollably wailing, then tossed into a locked room and allowed to simmer for a while. Then, the moo should have explained why this was such a HORRIBLE thing to do, dropped a major guilt trip bomb on him about the poor kitty and his pain, and if the kyd didn't seem to "get it", it would be TO THE SHRINK by the morrow. Those cats (and any other animals) need to be re-homed or temporarily housed somewhere safe until they are POSITIVE that the little psycho will not harm them again,


It wouldn't be a bad idea to lock him in his room at night should he get the desire to wander the house with a butcher knife either. Creepy kyds like this give me the heebie jeebies. I happen to think that very young NON abused kyds who take it upon the,themselves to abuse animals are bad seeds and need to be euthanized. No amount or type of treatment can make a natural born killer change his thought processes and society and animals are always in danger as long as he breathes. Kyd cuts kitty ears today and next year it's pouring cleaning fluid in little Susie's milk, Then small neighborhood pets and other animals disappear throughout his Jr high years, then in High school it's stabbing the school mascot to death. If he manages to get away with all of that, then he might just end up in the crime library under "Serial Killers". IMO.

People are born with their personalities and talents. People are born with artistic talents, musical talents, athletic talents, with shy personalities, outgoing personalities, and everything in between. I have no doubt that people can be born evil as well. It's best to figure it out when they're young, before they learn that they need to keep it hidden.

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I don't know what to do with my son. How
do I teach him that this is not appropriate. I immediately, put him in
his room and told him that he is NOT to cut the cats with scissors
ever

Fucking breeders!!!!!!!! God, I hate them! Smack the shit out of that brat, that's how you teach him.

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