Post 1320 - SAHMs' salary

You know, I used to get angry when I read stories like this, because I believe that being a housewife or homemaker - I hate that term Stay-At-Home-Mom because it so narrowly defines women as being only mothers - is a CHOICE, not a MUST, in 2006.

Women have opportunities to go out and get educated and work outside the home for an actual paycheck; no one is forcing them to not work for an actual paycheck. And women have the option to not have children at all so they will never be stuck at home with the kiddies and not earning an actual paycheck.

Now see stories like this, and feel amused rather than angry. These stories are just a pathetic way for women who are unsatisfied with being housewives and homemakers to justify their unhappy lives. By saying they deserve a "salary," they say that at least they're doing something valuable.

To that I say, Yeah, okay - keep convincing yourself that what you're doing is so valuable. I don't think that most of what you do is that valuable at all, since if there was a yearly evaluation for being a housewife/homemaker/SAHM/or whatever you choose to call it, many of you would be put on probation or fired.

I'm not against women who choose to take the role of housewife/homemaker. My own mother was a homemaker until I was in high school. She willingly left a good job as an executive secretary for an oil company to raise my sisters and me.

But she did a very good job of being a homemaker, and like most women of her generation who raised children in the '60s, '70s and early '80s, she didn't feel the need to justify her job by saying that all that she did was equal to $XXX of salary. She just quietly kept a clean, well-decorated house; cooked good meals - mostly from scratch; sewed many of our clothes; grew vegetables; and did many other things besides taking care of my sisters and me. In other words, she, like most women of her generation, were full homemakers, not just narrowly defined SAHMs. Their job wasn't to entertain children all day - their job was to create a nice home for the family.

I can compare what my mother did to what my sister does as a SAHM, and my sister would receive a low evaluation if there was one for her job.

Of the 10 jobs this story listed that SAHMs do - housekeeper, day care teacher, cook, computer operator, laundry machine operator, janitor, facilities manager, van driver, chief executive and psychology - the only ones my sister does well are "day care teacher" and "van driver," because she spends most of her time playing with her children and supposedly "homeschooling" them (but they're still far behind other children in reading, writing and arithmetic) and chauffering them to playgroups and other activities in her van.

The other jobs? Failing grade - my sister's house is a mess; she hires "facilities managers" to mow her yard and do repairs instead of being a "facilities manager" herself; and her cooking usually involves heating up frozen food, making boxed meals or picking up take out.

Meanwhile, I'm not a mother, but I do most of the jobs on this list except for "day care teacher" (my cats don't need teaching) and "van driver" (you won't catch me behind the wheel of one of those things). And my DH also does most of the remaining jobs.

Housekeeper? We both do our share each day so the house never looks entirely dirty and messy.

Cook? We alternate cooking, and I mean actual cooking from scratch most of the time - not heating up something.

Laundry machine operator and computer operator? We both do laundry and work on the computer.

Janitor? We have cats who sometimes throw up, so cleaning after them counts, doesn't it? So does taking out the garbage, which we both do.

Facilities manager? We both mow and work in the flower beds and do repairs and home improvements ourselves if we can. We'll be doing some inside painting this weekend.

Chief executive? Not sure what this means.

Psychologist? Definitely - I listen to my DH when he has problems at work, and he listens to me, and we give each other advice.

I will add two more jobs I do to that list:

Accountant - because I pay bills and do other money management

Animal caretaker

I do all these jobs while holding down a full-time job for actual income. It shouldn't be only mothers who get credit for doing these jobs, particulary when some of them are doing these jobs poorly.

The rerun this article every year. They adjust the figures for inflation, but otherwise, it's the same one. If I remember correctly, last year the "pay" was 131,000. I even remember them mentioning "Alex", and his SAHMOO. How "udderly" pathetic.

This subject always chaps my ass. SAHM's claim to have a "full time" job. WRONG. All they're doing is the NECESSITIES of what MUST be done to run one's life - with or without kids. Cleaning, errands, cooking, etc., is all part of the day of everyone's life.

So if that were the case, that must mean that moos who work IN the home AND work outside the home have 2, right? I would say so.

And, for those of us who are Childfree, we also have 2 jobs? We sure do. We work full time outside the home AND we have household to run and take care of when we get home.

Everyone's got household duties so this blither of moo's deserving a salary is a crock of shit.

This is such crap. I agree, I do ALL those things too (just replace "day care teacher" with "pet care technician" or some similar title!) - and I get exactly ZERO. So why should those cunts get a damn penny, either? And I don't even have a husband to help me around the house or with errands, so it's ALL up to me.

Oh well - I guess I should just go and have a drunken one-night stand and get knocked up... then I'd finally get some help and be a grown-up and a valuable, productive member of society...

Medusa Wrote:
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> This is such crap. I agree, I do ALL those things
> too (just replace "day care teacher" with "pet
> care technician" or some similar title!) - and I
> get exactly ZERO. So why should those cunts get a
> damn penny, either? And I don't even have a
> husband to help me around the house or with
> errands, so it's ALL up to me.

Just another way these moo's fundies are saying, "Give me, Give me!"
>
> Oh well - I guess I should just go and have a
> drunken one-night stand and get knocked up... then
> I'd finally get some help and be a grown-up and a
> valuable, productive member of society...

B/c according to these loosers, how could the childfree be anything valueable?/sarcasm.

Being a psychologist is part of a mom's role??!! Give me a fucking break. A lot of kids need to be taken to a psychologist to undo what mom has done to them.

Just as sprogless said, this is updated every year. IMO, it's just the newspaper needing to fill up space.

(from article)"You can't put a dollar value on it. It's worth a lot more," said Kristen Krauss, 35, as she hurriedly packed her four children, all aged under 8, into a minivan in New York while searching frantically for her keys. "Just look at me."

This passage annoys me. What is this moomy saying? What is so priceless about having kids and not being able to find your kids? Grandiosity complex, much?

And since when is "computer operator" the same thing as using a computer to email sproggen pictures, bitch about the MIL and shop on eBay?

Jimminy Christmas I agree! How did all this shit start anyways?
Lets see in the Fifties, my Grandma worked in a sweatshop, cooked homemade meals, kept a beautifully clean house and raised her kids.
How come she wasn't bleating about all this? Fucking whiners!!!
OK so lets see, I am a computer operator, a pet care technition, house maintience,since I work on my house, lawn care specialist yada yada.
We all do this crap,why are you so special moo? OHhhh you have CHYLDWREN!!! Congrats!!! Your ovaries work!!!Up yours

Computer operator is nothing compared to computer programmer. Computer programming takes so much more.
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My mother was and still is a homemaker who keeps her home spotless. She cooked, cleaned, sewed, raised us (PN well. My mother NEVER whined about a damn thing. She kept a smile on her face (that is my mom's personality showing) and she still does. Her mother and grandmother did the same thing also, without whining. (My grandmother, and great grandmother) HHhmmmm... does that tell you anything???

This is so stupid. I've seen this same tired story now for several years. Like most of you have stated, these women are doing things that we all need to do. They actually have it so much easier becuase they don't have to try to schedule all of their errands and obligations around a job. As a teacher, I worked 10 months out of the year, and had the summers off. Which time of year is easier for me? Of course the summers are!! Most of these women don't even do the things they are supposed to be doing as a "housewife." Some of the filthiest homes with the least maintained yards, probably have a good old housewife sittig up in them all day.
Yes, let's all get paid for things we have to do everyday anyway. I have to take a shit--hmmm, could provide fertilizer. I'm going to value it as $20 a dump, a piss is only worth about $10! Hell, we're all going to be millionaires!

I've seen breeders have the filthiest of homes, too.

I get sick of hearing housewives claim that they deserve a salary. The husband working and paying for every d@mn thing is more than "payment". It is the same anger I get when children claim they deserve to be paid to do household chorse. The parents working and keeping their sprogs fed, clothed, in school, and med bills paid are things that are far more than "payment" for loading the dishwasher or scrubbing the toilets.

As my mom always said, "Nothing in life is free," so the SAHMoos need to realise that their 'work' at home is their job to keep the husband to continue to make the house payment/rent as well as the other living expenses paid. If these women do not like it, they can file for divorce and go work a dead-end job as they try to make it as a divorced mother with maybe a little bit from the ex-husbands every month.

Hey, I was restoring a classic car for a while where's my grant from some classic car orginization?

I kept and bred arachinids for years and still have my snake and two cats can I get a grant from the public zoo then?

My point is. I choose to do these things, the car was expensive and time consuming but I choose to buy and restore a classic car just like these whiners choose to have kids. The burden is on no one but themselves and their more than likely lazy ass partner. period.

I watched a small bit of this and saw one moo scrambling to get the kids fed while and adult male (duh perhaps) wandered around in the background and didn't lift a finger to help with the kids. I think the bigger problem is men who still think raising the kids is cunt work so they don't need to help out even though mom may work full time. With almost everyone of my friends it's the woman who does most of the kid rearing and cleaning etc even if duh is a stay at home duh.

What gets me is how these haus fraus have this belief that they have the same qualifications as a vet, chef, admin assistant, chauffer, etc., etc., just because they may give the dog a bath, cook mac-and-cheese for the sprogs & hubby, write out the bills or a letter for Hub, and drive kids to basketball practice or to the dentist. All of these professions either require schooling or years of experience to be considered truly a "pro". Cutting the grass does not make me a landscaper as knowing what vitamins & herbs to take does not make me an MD or a herbal expert.

Breeders sure are hypocrites.

They do nothing but sit on their couch and watch Dr. Phil, Oprah and Maury all day - and then lurk around CF websites to justify the mess they've turned their life into.

if the man works, and the moo sits at home all day, then i say the man deserves some rest time, its allabout division of labour. if man works 8 hours and his partner doesnt do anything, then she should help out more as he is the wage earner. he is providing all the money for the house



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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

Medusa, I know some breeder moos that are like that. It's like the saying, "BED.MADE.LIE."
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I agree with Mercurior. You can only work for so long, and then need some rest afterwards. I know personaly, that working, can make you feel beat, afterwards.

its a division of labour, basically, if i work and my wife stays at home, she should do the work there, or the other way around, you cant work 8 hours a day then go look after the kids, then cook dinner, then.. its a partnership they should support you when you are too tired etc.

i am better at some things than my faust, and she is better than me at others. i am not going to do a 3rd rate job when she does it better, and the same way around.

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

mercurior Wrote:
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> its a division of labour, basically, if i work and
> my wife stays at home, she should do the work
> there, or the other way around, you cant work 8
> hours a day then go look after the kids, then
> cook dinner, then.. its a partnership they should
> support you when you are too tired etc.

Very true! If the housewife thinks her "mean" husband should do some work at home, she can always be the one to get her carcass out of bed at 5am to go to the horrible job that the guy does to keep her and the kids in GAP clothing as well as a mortaged-to-the-hilt house. A "homemaker" should do all of the housework and childcare with no complaints....just as a child should do his/her chores without expecting a penny for "payment".

I, too, believe the wife should be taking care of things at home if she is not working outside of the home. My husband works really long hours and is exhausted when he gets home. I'm on leave until August. I actually enjoy keeping the house clean and cooking is very relaxing to me. When we are both working we share the chores.

This is the penultimate in hypocrisy. These women are more than willing to resort to some trickery and debasement to justify their argument, yet would only pay a nanny or other domestic a barely liveable wage to do the same work.

Since performance evaluations are a part of everyone else's working life, can you imagine the din created by the simultaneous mooing of these cows if their work had to be reviewed and they had to accept negative consequences for bad results? Making them pay back the tax incentives used for encouraging breeding would be a start.

In addition to all of the other professions the SAHMoo should be paid for they forgot to include prostitute. She should be paid for the sex she's giving her husband, as well. Oh, wait, I forgot, he's probably paying for that elsewhere. WHo would pay for fat, frumpy, moo sex? Especially when the kids are in bed with the parunts most of the time.

Love your response, Sherz! I am surprised that the sanctimonious SAHMoos are not somehow trying to get payment for sex since they probably wh*red themselves for the largest diamond engagement ring. Like my mom and I said, prostitution should be legal. How is getting paid for sex any different than going to bed with a "date" after he paid for a steak dinner or "making love" with a boyfriend after he gives a woman an expensive trinket from Zales for Valentine's Day?

It's not sex, it's "the baybee dance" - remember?

Breeders have no idea what 'normal' sex is, b/c the only sex they have is to get preggers.
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I agree with Sherz. I have a part time job, so when I'm not working (as well as working) I keep the house spotless, cook, do laundry, make the bed every morning, ect. I do not want payment for that. I have a job where I recieve a check, and that is fine, b/c I work my butt off at my job. I'm a hard worker. I also agree that keeping up the house is VERY relaxing, too.