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Oh it's ok if she dies, the REAL tragedy is that she can't have any more chyyyyyldren!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1162524/I-asked-GP-smear-test-SIX-times--told-I-young-cancer-It-nearly-cost-life.html

From the moment she met her partner Craig, Laura Craft had a very clear idea of what their family would one day look like.

‘I’ve always been maternal and I knew straight away that I wanted children with Craig,’ says Laura. ‘I used to imagine the life we would have. In my mind we’d have, at the very least, a boy and a girl.’
While she enjoyed her job as a customer account manager, Laura had always felt family was the most important thing, so when she and Craig, 26, a builder, became parents for the first time, she says it was one of the happiest moments of her life. But within 18 months, her plans for a large family and her future were in tatters.

After suffering unexplained bleeding, Laura, then 20, was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer and rapidly underwent intensive radiotherapy and chemotherapy, which has left her infertile.
For five months, Laura, who is thought to be one of the youngest women in the country to suffer from this form of cancer, expected she would die. Now, at just 23, she is going through the menopause.

For someone so young, Laura talks about her ordeal with stoicism, but there is no mistaking her frustration - for in the year and a half following her son Mason’s birth, Laura went to her GP, she estimates, on six occasions, fearing something was terribly wrong and asking for a smear test.
Laura saw the first tell-tale signs of her cancer - which is most often caused by the HPV virus, a sexually transmitted disease which infects the cervical tissue - within two months of having had Mason.

'I knew you bled after having a baby, but after a couple of months it still hadn’t stopped and seemed to be worsened by sex,’ she says. ‘I went to see my doctor, but she said my hormones hadn’t settled down yet and it would get better with time.’
However, after six months there was still no change and Laura was growing increasingly frustrated. ‘I knew something was wrong,’ she says. ‘I went back every month and asked for a smear test to be on the safe side. On one occasion, I even said I wasn’t moving from the waiting room until I’d had one.’
I felt as though I was talking to a brick wall

On each visit, Laura was refused on the grounds that at the age of 20, she was too young as, at that age, the risk of cervical cancer, which affects 2,800 British women every year, is considered negligible.
‘I had read about cervical cancer online, and although I knew at my age it was unlikely, I didn’t see why I couldn’t have a smear test to eliminate the possibility. All my GP did was test me for sexually transmitted disease. I felt as though I was talking to a brick wall.’
There seems to be little doubt that Laura had fallen foul of a controversial change in Government health policy which, in 2004, saw the screening age for cervical cancer in England raised from 20 to 25.
In October 2007, after a heated debate, Laura was finally referred to a gynaecologist, who carried out a smear test at the local hospital.

‘Even though I had been worried, I knew that cervical cancer was only a remote possibility as I was young, and I thought it was more likely that the bleeding was due to a complication from giving birth by Caesarean section,’ recalls Laura.
‘So what happened next came as a horrendous shock.’
‘The following month I was at work when I received a phone call asking me to collect my results, so I went to see the specialist. I took one look at his face and knew it was bad news.’

She was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer, one stage away from terminal.
‘I just sat there with my mouth open as the consultant explained I had a tumour the size of a golf ball on my cervix. Over the next ten minutes, I was given so much information that I couldn’t think straight. The consultant said that although cervical cancer could be caused by the HPV virus, in my case he couldn’t be sure it wasn’t genetic or simply bad luck.
‘When it is caused by the HPV virus, it usually takes ten years for the cancer to develop, and the doctor said he thought my tumour had been growing for just two years.
‘It had been accelerated, he said, by pregnancy and labour.’
I stormed into the waiting room, blind with rage

She needed immediate chemotherapy and radiotherapy. ‘As I drove away from the hospital, I could barely see the road for my tears. All I could think was: “Am I going to die? Will I see Mason grow up?”’ Laura was also furious that her situation could have been avoided if she had been allowed the smear test she had begged for.
Before going home she drove to her local surgery to confront her GP. She recalls: ‘I was blind with rage, I stormed into the waiting room crying, telling everyone what had happened. They must have thought I was some sort of lunatic, but I didn’t care.
‘My GP was on leave so I couldn’t see her. The receptionist tried to calm me down, but I just pushed her away. I was beyond furious.
‘I then went home and saw Craig and Mason, which upset me even more. Craig tried to reassure me but I burst into tears again the second I laid eyes on Mason, and just held him in a tight hug.’
‘I’d been told treatment would most likely destroy my fertility.
'I’d asked about the possibility of having eggs frozen, but the cancer was so advanced that there just wasn’t time, as it could take months to harvest a decent egg.
‘The doctor said that to wait even one day could mean the difference between life and death.’

Laura swiftly underwent a regime of blood tests and scans in preparations for treatment.
Determined to prepare for the worst, Laura made her will and discussed with Craig what sort of life she would like for Mason if she died. ‘What made it harder was that I wanted to hold Mason and cuddle him a lot, but he was such a boy’s boy he would fidget and run off. I’d sit and cry as I didn’t know how much time I had left with him.’
Laura started daily radiotherapy and weekly chemotherapy in January 2008. The cancer did not respond as well as the doctors hoped and on her 22nd birthday in February, she was told she needed further internal radiotherapy.

I’m heartbroken I can't have another baby

Unlike conventional radiotherapy which uses X-rays to irradiate cancerous cells, internal radiotherapy involves implanting pieces of radioactive metal close to the tumour for more intense effect.
‘As the treatment wore on I felt increasingly ill,’ she says. ‘I didn’t lose my hair, but it was a small consolation as I was otherwise too weak to do anything. At one point, I was so low, I didn’t feel I could take further treatment, even if it would save my life.’

Then, in April last year, Laura received the news that her cancer had gone into remission. ‘When I was told the treatment had worked, everyone was expecting me to be doing headstands. But cancer still rules my life. I know it might return and every ache leaves me in a panic.’
Laura’s treatment has also changed her life irrevocably. The radiotherapy has affected her hips; walking is painful and she needs a disabled badge on her car. She has also entered the menopause, as the treatment destroyed her ovaries.
‘It’s not lost on me that I’m in menopause before my mother,’ says Laura. ‘Every hot flush reminds me what I’ve lost. All my friends are having children, and although I’m happy for them, I’m heartbroken that I will never be able to have another baby.’

Laura has considered legal action, but was advised by a solicitor that the situation could take years to resolve.
‘To be honest, I would rather live my life than spend it locked in a court battle. I’ve since seen the GP who failed to diagnose my cancer. She was apologetic and said I had made her more aware as a result.
‘I could tell she was genuinely upset, but nothing she could say could change what I have had to go through as a result of her refusing to let me have a smear test.

‘Now, I make it my mission to warn all young women about what happened to me, and to insist their GPs give them a smear test.
‘Without doubt, the age at which smears are available needs to be lowered. If I had been allowed a smear test when I first asked for one, then my life could have been so different.’

Stories like this really piss me off, the cancer could very well come back and she could DIE but fuck that, the absolute worst part is that she can't sprog anymore! angry flipping off
She might as well be dead, from the point of realizing she could no longer have more kids, she died inside. Instead of being thankful for the child she does have and trhe fact that she is in remission, she is killing herself silently, through her mental toruture of thinking she is less of a woman because she can't have more kids.
She will more than likely take it out on her kid in the future.

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They wouldn't give her a pap because she wasn't 25? Gotta love national healthcare.
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They wouldn't give her a pap because she wasn't 25? Gotta love national healthcare.

I agree, it's unfortunate. However, I imagine a health care system has to do cost-benefit analyses for the various tests so that they don't get ridiculously expensive across the board and end up denying or delaying services to patients at much greater risk. You wouldn't test a 10-year-old for Alzheimer's, to give an extreme example. I think her case is one of the very rare exceptions in which a younger-than-25 woman DID need a smear--and at least she did find a gynecologist who gave her one.

That said, I imagine her moaning would be distasteful to those patients whose cancer won't go into remission, or women who cannot biologically or financially have any children though they want them. She has remission, thank heavens, and she has a child. Two good things for her. I kind of wish she'd be grateful for those 2 great things and just humbly say "thank you" to Fortuna/God/Fate and be quiet.
And here I thought she didn't have ANY children. She is lucky she got the one and her LIFE, the little ungrateful turd.

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Instead of being thankful for the child she does have and trhe fact that she is in remission, she is killing herself silently, through her mental toruture of thinking she is less of a woman because she can't have more kids. She will more than likely take it out on her kid in the future.

Well, she is still young, maybe she'll realize how selfish and stupid she's being and grow out of it. Ya think? Maybe?
She can have/acquire more children...it's called ADOPTION. Why do people never ever consider this option? Oh, wait, that's right...because adopted kids are "too screwed up" and are subhuman and they couldn't possibly love a child that isn't their own flesh and blood. Makes me sick - if you want a child that bad, why should it matter that it doesn't share your genes?

I agree that this woman should be thrilled that she got to have one child and that her advanced cancer is in remission. There are some people who would give everything they have for such luck. I wonder how her son is going to feel growing up and (most likely) learning that he just isn't enough to make his mommy happy. Bet he's going to feel great about that.

Not to mention...her cancer was exacerbated by pregnancy and childbirth, to the point where cancer that might take ten years to start showing only took two to get within spitting distance of being terminal. Who is to say another pregnancy wouldn't re-activate the cancer (if she had a 'myrakull' and did get pregnant)? And of course, being knocked up means no chemo, meaning the cancer would be allowed to advance even more and then one of two things would likely result...Mommy dies from the cancer while pregnant and takes the fetus with her, or Mommy dies and the child is salvaged and then it and his/her sibling grow up without a mother because she had to martyr herself to death.

Sorry woman, but infertility is not worse than nearly dying. You've got your child/family you wanted and you survived advanced cancer, so please STFU now, be grateful and enjoy your husband, your son, and the fact that you are still alive.
Cambion wrote:
"Sorry woman, but infertility is not worse than nearly dying. You've got your child/family you wanted and you survived advanced cancer, so please STFU now, be grateful and enjoy your husband, your son, and the fact that you are still alive."


Damn right. These stupid moos never want to spend time with their hubby don't they. I never understand these women thinking being infertile is the end of the world.

I agree I find this "Baby is more inportant than life" abosolutly disturbing and totally offensive.
I pity the poor woman for what she went through... I'm glad she confronted the GP. I would have too. I cannot imagine why testing is restricted to 25 and over... Christ, I was 23 when one of my pap tests showed abnormal results (and again six months later), now I have to get tested every six months to a year as a precaution.

That said... She's bloody well lucky to be ALIVE to see her one kid grow up. How retarded to be moaning about not being able to have another. She should be thankful for what she has... She could have VERY easily become another Jade Goody.
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You've got your child/family you wanted and you survived advanced cancer, so please STFU now, be grateful and enjoy your husband, your son, and the fact that you are still alive.

So say we all! :beer
couldnt she have just paid for the test out of her own pocket..
I think just appreciating coming out of that ordeal alive and being in remission and having a son already there would be more than enough to be grateful for.

I hate to sound like a pessimist, but frankly I don't think people who have been through that sort of cancer should have any more kids even if they can. There's too much of a chance that it would recur and there would be even more responsibility for the husband should he be left behind to care for them. Not to mention more children who have to endure the trauma of losing a parent. It's not fair to them either.

Not a very encouraging thought, but I tend to be more pragmatic about things.
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I agree. It's my opinion that if you breed after something like this, and the cancer comes back, your health insurance company should tell you that you're on your own.

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I think just appreciating coming out of that ordeal alive and being in remission and having a son already there would be more than enough to be grateful for.

I hate to sound like a pessimist, but frankly I don't think people who have been through that sort of cancer should have any more kids even if they can. There's too much of a chance that it would recur and there would be even more responsibility for the husband should he be left behind to care for them. Not to mention more children who have to endure the trauma of losing a parent. It's not fair to them either.

Not a very encouraging thought, but I tend to be more pragmatic about things.
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die already

Yup, pretty much. This woman is a slap in the face to all who have died or are in the final stages of terminal cancer. If you can't be appreciative of what you have, bitch, then just end it and let someone else have your spot at the cancer hospital.

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Oh, God no! Make the taxpayers foot the bill! What in the world could you be thinking, roger?
The biggest problem with socialized medicine is the cookie-cutter approach to diagnosis and treatment through the rigidity of guidelines that do not permit any options for patients who don't fit various criteria. The entire medical structure is built on a 95% probability rate, meaning that essentially 95% of the patients would fit into the various guidelines for care and follow-up if the templates are drawn correctly. Problem is that the NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) in the UK is notorious for ignoring evidence they find inconvenient or too expensive, and health care in the UK suffers when those nitwits fuck up a decision or recommendation. Of course, there is no strong appeals process nor is there any repercussions for their unethical, inhuman idiocy.

Many Americans love the Canadian and British models with the idea that every one is covered and receives immediate and full care. Problem is, neither is true. Because of the nature of the systems, rationing and waiting is a way of life for most patients. I need look no farther than my staffing experience at three Seattle hospitals to know, or the experiences of my medical colleagues in other northern border states. There are two Seattle health systems that have flourished, relatively speaking, on the inability of British Columbia and Alberta to provide enough cardiovascular surgery services to their provincial populations, and same for other Canadian provinces. Many medical practices in the United States in northern border regions have survived only because a significant number of Canadians have elected to pay cash rather than submit to their poorly managed health care systems. This is hardly anecdotal, and if you consider that a number of Canadian provinces are actually sending patients to the United States for care, it makes me wonder just how the Canadians manage to tout their system as providing quality care.
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The biggest problem with socialized medicine is the cookie-cutter approach to diagnosis and treatment through the rigidity of guidelines that do not permit any options for patients who don't fit various criteria. The entire medical structure is built on a 95% probability rate, meaning that essentially 95% of the patients would fit into the various guidelines for care and follow-up if the templates are drawn correctly. Problem is that the NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) in the UK is notorious for ignoring evidence they find inconvenient or too expensive, and health care in the UK suffers when those nitwits fuck up a decision or recommendation. Of course, there is no strong appeals process nor is there any repercussions for their unethical, inhuman idiocy.

Wow, sounds just like the way HMO operates in this country.

And I'm all for the idea of self treatment. I should be able to walk into a pharmacy and ask and get anything I want. Also, why couldn't someone like a retired army field medic working out of his house do routine things such as setting a broken leg and giving a morphine shot for $100? Why do I need to spend thousands on a doctor? It's my body, I should have the right to choose whatever medical care, and whatever provider of care or self provision of care that I choose.
Why do I need to pay expensive Dr and hospital fees all the time? Honestly, 99% of anything ever wrong with me, I already know the medications I need that I have to pay a dr. to dispense.

This may sound insulting to you as a dr, but don't take it like that. Understand that if nanny/gatekeeper/authoritarian socialized medicine is not the solution, then neither is nanny/gatekeeper/authoritarian for profit medicine.

Not to say that dr's and hospitals aren't necessary, just that if we are going to have a free market society where everyone pays their own way, then we get to make our own decisions like big boys and girls.
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