but your mistaking, human for animals, just because animals have different ways, how are to to moralise them.
should vegetarians, give dogs known carnivores soy instead of meat. as its so called more moral for them, dogs and cats dont have our mindset, they go more off what they need that moral judgements, the cat doesnt care about the mouse or its beleif just if it tastes nice.
you keep mistaking and misread what i said you have stated **"It really ticks me off to see how many people say "just hold her down and let him mount her". Then later the owner will post that the dog cried [you know the sound -- and sometimes it's not just "coyness"] & struggled the whole time and later cowered under a table & refused to come when called and acted "upset". **
see thats rape, well actually its forced breeding, by a human, if this was in nature, then the animal would try and give up.. thats the whole idea. nature only mates with the dominant male, and only when it was able to. not before unlike the humans altering it.
ok imagine you see a wild animal, out there.. if its a wild animal do you object??.. or is it different for pets. do pets not have the right to copulate iTS when HUMANS decides whats best for that animal whether its breeding is rape (a typical feminist argument btw).. to force breeding, dogs and cats should breed when they are ready. or giving soy to known genetic meat eaters.
all you are doing is putting a human problem rape, onto natural instincts.. animals have more to do with natural instincts NOT moral issues, like you seem to be doing. they may look to you as a leader of the pack, but thats natural. lionesses in a pride, only come into heat, they dont all come in, its only the dominant female that does the rest are effectively babysitters..
stephanie, its your view of an action, rather than an animals, which is totally different,(animals have been known to drink out of toilet bowls, thats their instinct saying i need water) it may be gross to us, but to them its survival. have at look at nature, and you will see there are no rape police, i was stating that YOU personal call it rape, but lots of people dont, just like the law, i have heard of cases where the woman gives consent then removes consent afterwards.. is that rape.. legally yes, morally no..
its exactly the same, animals have their own rules, guided by their own instincts. how DARE we put our ideas that its rape, or murder or that its somehow morally better to create a vegetarian dog.. this is exactly what the religious people do, they decide whats best for us.
morals are subjective, you cannot judge animals behaviour by a humans behaviour, they are a distinct species, and deserve our respect and love, but they are a different species not furry humans.
thats what i mean by moralising.
forcing it to breed, before nature tells it too, thats wrong, but in nature there is no one forcing the animal too.. or do you think we should constrain nature by our rules. by our moral codes.. and if so which codes.. your codes or mine.. or bushs'
you cannot allow yourself to judge others by your own personal moral compass, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" stephanie would you stop 2 animals in the wild breeding. simple question. if no, why not, coz they are wild, or animals, if yes, why.. because YOU believe it to be rape.. whats that for a justification. u deciding whats best for a species that you may know and love, but you wont be able to understand since you are not THEM.
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