TimsGirl139 Wrote:
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> First of all, why can't the "illegal aliens" have
> the same rights you do? Being born on a piece of
> land does not give you more rights than someone
> born on the other side of an imaginary line drawn
> up by men with no knowledge of how the people in
> that area are living. If you ever want to be free,
> you are OBLIGATED to give the other person the
> same rights you allot yourself. I don't see why
> you can pick who has a right to be in the so
> called "land of the free". Why is it that when
> YOUR ancestors came here, it was okay to just have
> a three day waiting period and then they were
> citizens? Now it takes upwards of ten YEARS to
> become a citizen of this great FREE country of
> ours. This reaks of the governmental police state
> mentality that the people who pound the pulpit
> about illegal immigration have. Why not just
> abolish taxes and then you won't have to worry
> about paying for an "illegal baby" to live here,
> Oh wait, you think we NEED those precious taxes
> for the government to run. Why don't you take
> your hands out of my wallet and let me voluntarily
> support what I believe in. If you are child-free,
> why in the world would you support welfare in any
> way? Forcing someone to pay you at the point of a
> gun is anti-freedom. And since you love to pull
> out the legal card, here's an excerpt from Marc
> Stevens regarding the fact that there is no such
> thing as an illegal alien, or a citizen for that
> matter:
>
> There’s an incredible amount of energy expended on
> the subject of so-called "illegal aliens." These
> are men, women and children who allegedly are not
> in the "country" "legally." People who think
> they’re "citizens" believe physical force may be
> used against "illegal aliens" to cage them and
> send them back to their "country." This use of
> physical violence is called "deportation." One of
> the biggest complaints about these so-called
> "illegals" is how much they cost "citizens" and
> "taxpayers" in welfare and other "social
> programs." However, just as it’s a myth there’s a
> "country" or "nation" called the "United States,"
> there’s no such thing as an "illegal alien."
> They’re all part of the government hoax.
>
>
> To prove there’s no such thing as an "illegal
> alien," one needs to examine what a "nation" or
> "country" is. A "nation," such as the pretended
> "United States," is supposed to be a "voluntary
> association of individuals." The mere fact
> physical violence is used to "deport" so-called
> "illegals" contradicts the professed "voluntary"
> nature of a "nation."
>
>
> A "nation" is composed of "citizens," and a
> "citizen" is supposed to be a member of a
> political body ("nation") who owes a duty of
> allegiance in return for a duty of protection.
> These two "duties" are the only things separating
> men who are "citizens" from men who are "illegal
> aliens."
>
>
> Do these alleged "duties" exist and if so, exactly
> how were they created?
>
>
> Is the "protection" offered by the "United States
> government" offered on a take-it-or-leave-it basis
> like other services? No, of course not. "Citizen"
> is not synonymous with customer. Customers, unlike
> "citizens," have the choice to say no to a
> particular service or product without being
> threatened and killed. You accept and pay for the
> services provided by men and women doing business
> as a "state" or be murdered:
>
>
> "The only idea they have ever manifested as to
> what is a government of consent, is this–that it
> is one to which everybody must consent, or be
> shot." No Treason: The Constitution of No
> Authority - Lysander Spooner.
>
>
> It’s fundamental no "duty" or obligation is
> created by threats of violence and violence. This
> is one of the fatal flaws in statist theology. Men
> and women calling themselves "government"
> violently impose themselves on victims called
> "citizens," and "ordain" scriptures called "laws"
> that define the way "government" does business as
> a crime. I love the following example of this
> quoted in my article The Government Hoax:
>
>
> "racketeer. The organized use of threats,
> coercion, intimidation, and violence to compel the
> payment for actual or alleged services of
> arbitrary or excessive charges under the guise of
> membership dues, protection fees, royalties, or
> service rates. United States v McGlone (DC Pa) 19
> F Supp 285, 286." Ballentine’s Law Dictionary,
> page 1051.
>
>
> This describes exactly how men and women calling
> themselves a "state," "nation" and "government"
> operate.
>
>
> Now if "duties" and obligations are not created by
> violence, then there’s no "duty" to protect anyone
> and there is no "duty" of allegiance. These are
> the only two things separating men who are
> "citizens" from men who are "illegal aliens" and
> neither one exists.
>
>
> Because neither "duty" exists there are no
> "citizens" and no "nation." It then follows there
> is no such thing as an "illegal alien." The only
> "officially recognized" "legal" status with any
> existence is called "res nullius" meaning: "The
> property of no one." Ballentine’s Law Dictionary,
> page 1105. This is why the very idea of a "free
> government" is ridiculous. Because human beings
> are not property there can be no valid
> "government" as "govern" means control and control
> implies ownership:
>
>
> "The right of absolute and irresponsible dominion
> is the right of property, and the right of
> property is the right of absolute, irresponsible
> dominion. The two are identical; the one
> necessarily implying the other." No Treason: The
> Constitution of No Authority - Lysander Spooner.
>
>
> The "illegal" problem is classic diversion:
> instead of focusing on the real problem, viz., men
> and women violently controlling other men and
> women ("government," slavery etc.), the focus is
> diverted to non-existent "illegal aliens." Men and
> women pretending to be a "state" steal money from
> their victims (pretended "citizens") and give it
> to other men, women and children (pretended
> "illegals"). Instead of refusing to be victims and
> not permitting their money to be stolen, the
> victims only complain the people stealing their
> money shouldn’t give it away. Focusing on the
> non-existent "illegals" instead of the robbery
> only gives the violent men and women pretending to
> be a "state" legitimacy.
>
>
> It is tantamount to a bank being robbed and the
> bank manager’s only complaint is the robber buys
> crack with the money. "Hey, don’t buy crack!
> That’s stupid. You should buy more guns and
> soldiers so you can steal more money."
>
>
> It seems irrational to complain how stolen money
> is being used. When money is stolen the only
> relevant issue is that it was stolen, not what the
> anti-social parasite is doing with it.
>
>
> While "illegal aliens" are not real, violent
> anti-social men and women pretending to be
> "states" are. Buying into the illusion there are
> "states" and "nations" only diverts attention from
> what these professional parasites are doing i.e.,
> killing, stealing and lying
>
>
> So, if you don't want to read through all that,
> just answer these questions:
>
> Why can't "illegals" have the same rights you do?
>
> Why do you believe it's okay to take money from me
> at the point of a gun?
>
> Why do you support a welfare system that allows
> the people who abuse it by having as many children
> as they can exist?
>
> This isn't about illegal aliens, this is about
> basic god given freedom, and you seem to oppose
> that. Just remember, if you take someone's
> freedoms away, it can come back and happen to you.
BRAVO TIMSGIRL
Very well said.