Santa gets fired for refusing to see a flapper and her service pit bull

I'm one of those people that feels pretty kindly towards all breeds of dogs, including the so-called bully breeds. However, I think if somebody isn't comfortable around a dog of any kind, they shouldn't be forced to contend with one. Santa has a reputation for scaring little kids; who knows how an autard will react to the sensory issues associated with sitting on Santa's lap and being asked direct questions. The article even hints that this particular kid needed the dog there because she couldn't handle waiting in line. Who is to say that Santa won't freak her out and the dog will intervene? I gotta say, firing the Santa for refusing service, which should be his right, is bullshit.

Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/living/mall-santa-autistic-girl-pit-bull/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Also note the unbelievable stupid name. That alone is a giant

Abcde? ABCDE?!!! larious :kill

Holy shit....that totally needs to go on the 'Kreative Name' list! smile

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Her name is A B C D E? Seriously? Middle name AEIOUandsometimeswhy?

Maybe this man was afraid of dogs. Maybe he was attacked by a pit. Maybe he was biased. Maybe he knew a freakout could set the dog off. So instead of saying he was scared of the dog he played the allergy card. Or maybe he is allergic, for real.

But no worries. A kid cried, so he was fired.

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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

And this is common for this family:

http://patch.com/california/lakeelsinore-wildomar/toms-farms-accused-of-discrimination-against-pit-bull-service-dog

And some comments are interesting, as it looks like this is NOT an ADA covered service dog:

Susan • a year ago

Unfortunately, service dog fraud has become very common, and is a huge problem for disabled individuals with real service dogs, whose safety can be compromised if they encounter a fake service dog while working. A business can legally ask two questions when someone comes in with a questionable service dog.....(1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. A business CAN legally ask a service dog to leave if the dog is not housebroken, or if the dog is not under the control of it's handler. Therapy dogs and emotional support dogs are NOT covered under the ADA. Because there is no certification required for service dogs, most businesses are at the mercy of unscrupulous dog owners. The dog Pup Cakes was provided to the Santos family as a puppy, by an individual who works for a reality TV show about a pit bull rescue. The organization she runs has no website, only a Facebook page filled with pit bull advocacy posts. Her organization is not listed as a 501C3 with Guidestar or the IRS. She lists no credentials on her bio page that would indicate a background in animal behavior or dog training. Therefore, no one really know what kind of training this dog has had, if any.

Susan • a year ago

This is simply a PR stunt...this person "Julie Hernadez" works for Shorti Rossi...

http://www.shortywood.com/juli...

Her bio states that her program Bullnannies is designed to "raise Pit Bull puppies as therapy dogs for children with autism." Therapy dogs are not service dogs, and are NOT covered under the ADA...so Tom's Farms can legally eject them. This woman lists no credentials as a behaviorist or dog trainer, her background is PR. Children whose autism is severe enough of a disability to need constant support are not candidates for service dogs, because they are unable to control the dog and give commands. Service dog partnerships require a handler who is able to control the dog and give commands. The dog may serve as an emotional support animal, but the ADA does not cover ESAs either.....the dog is simply a pet.

You will never see actual service dog organizations like Guiding Eyes for the Blind using pit bulls, or any terrier breeds for that matter, to do service work because of their hardwired genetic tendency toward reactiveness and animal aggression. In addition, using high risk breeds for service work creates too many issues for the handler, because the public is afraid of the dog, it draws too much unwelcome attention. Anyone can buy a "service dog" vest online and pretend to have an actual service animal; people who do this are indeed morally and ethically bankrupt. But to use a disabled child as a prop in a PR stunt is truly a new low for pit bull promoters.

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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

Someone on another message board posted that the family's story was a sham. Santa is, apparently, severely allergic to dogs. The drama started when he asked the family to take the dog out of the line so that she could talk to the little girl and still breath. The parents lost their minds and ran to the media with a bullshit story.

I want to post a link to the site with this story, but it's a snapshot of a comment one someone's Facebook page. Would anyone object to me linking?

As a dog attack survivor, I can say that yes, I am literally FROZEN if a large dog is loose. As in I can. not. move.
A few years ago, DH and I were at our friends' home and they have two large pit bulls that are usually kept secured when company is over, either outside, or in the house in a large crate. I mean LARGE crate. No cruelty here folks.
One time, I was in their yard admiring some of their flowering plants and noticed one of the dogs was not leashed. DH was standing next to it, patting its head. Our friends both said it was OK and that the dog would not attack me. Nuh unh. I couldn't move. I had to wait for them to take the dog in the house before I could release myself from the spot where I was standing.

Yea, I also believe this is a TOTAL PR stunt. Like totally.
And ABCDE as her name? No wonder she's fucked up.

Noodler, I react very much like you when I'm in the presence of a large dog I don't know. I was in my sister's yard when I was a kyd, and the neighbor's dog ran out of the back of their yard and mauled my back. I went into shock and my back was torn to shreds. The dog was on top of me, literally EATING my flesh *shudders at memory*.

To this day, I am very nervous around large dogs I don't know. It takes a long time for me to get to trust a dog, and even THEN I'm still a bit uncomfortable.

I am like this with all larger-breed dogs, pits included, but I was attacked by a German Shepherd.

I really think that this was a PR stunt too. People fake service dogs all the time in order to get special consideration for their pets.

Santa should get his job back, and the parunts of ABCDEFuckU owe him a BIG apology. Just because their kyd is a flapper doesn't mean her dog is allowed everywhere UNLESS it is a licensed service dog. From what I have read here, it is NOT. The maul also owes Santa an apology for firing him in the first place. Poor Santa. It's not HIS fault he's allergic to dogs.

Wow, I read Navi8orgirl's link and just, no. These people SUCK!! Tom's Farm is a great place (it's near my Aunt and Uncle's house) and to see them get this backlash is horrible.

Fuck these people.

I was attacked by my own dog when I was a kid (this particular dog was a lousy shit who bit me, another friend, a third child who was a stranger, and a man outside of a restaurant). And it wasn't a bully breed. Any dog can bite, and this dog would wag her tail, smile, and act all friendly and then attack when you went in to say hello. I'm not afraid of dogs as a result, but I totally get that it can leave a big impression on people. Nobody should be forced to be around animals if they aren't comfortable, for any reason. Especially on the job! Santa was fucking working!! What about his right to a safe workplace?!

This fake "service animal" issue is a very real problem. The big daily newspaper in my area had a national news story a few months ago about people claiming their dogs are "service dogs" when that's not true, and businesses are beginning to turn away even those with legitimate animals. One carpet business in that story said it had to change its policies after a fake "service dog" urinated on a very expensive Persian rug, ruining it.

Advocates for the disabled are calling for national accreditation and visible proof of such on the real animals. This Santa story adds fuel to the fire.

Yes! Read the real story behind this crap. I posted it at CFL so I'll repost it here.
http://www.thechildfreelife.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28580&start=0

* To Whom This May Concern, My name is Miranda, Assistant Manager on the Santa Set at The Shops at Mission Viejo, otherwise known as the Mission Viejo Mall (Store # MVCA). Today, November 30, 2014, at approximately 2:20pm (2:26pm is the time I called security). A young girl approximately ten years of age and her parents stood in line with the young girl’s service dog. Immediately after noticing that there was a dog in line, I informed Santa, whom we are supplied with emergency medications at all times on the set due to his extreme allergies to animals. I told him there was a service dog with happened to be a pit bull in the line, up next. I pointed out that pit bulls have short hair and asked if he would like to try to let the dog in, not knowing if a difference between hair lengths affected his allergies. Upon completing my question, I noticed his eyes were already watering and his breathing was becoming slightly more labored, due to the dog being as close as it was (front of the line). Santa replied that he wished he could, however, he just couldn’t. I said okay, no problem; I’ll go talk to them about bringing only the girl on set. He said okay, and thanked me.

I greeted the family, and then told them the following in a calm sweet voice just as I speak to all customers, because all are equal in my eyes;

“I am truly, truly sorry but I unfortunately cannot let dogs on set. Santa is highly allergic to animals. Would it be possible for either your family and your dog to come back at or after 4:00pm today or any day when Santa has a Christmas miracle and becomes not allergic to animals, if you catch my drift, Mom. Or Since there are two of you (referring to both Mom and Dad), would it be possible for one of you to escort your dog out the way you came in and wait over there (gesturing to the right of the set) by the exit sign with your dog, while the other one of you escorts your daughter to visit with Santa, because Santa is highly allergic to animals.”

The mother and father, but especially the mother, became irate with anger and hostility towards both myself and Santa. The mother began calling Santa and myself belligerent names, escalating quickly from calling Santa a “pansy” to more aggressive, antagonistic names for the both of us; to draw maximum attention, as she has unfortunately accomplished on social media since the incident. All while forcing her daughter’s hand to hold the dog’s harness, and making their daughter cry due to their own behavior. And telling me I was going to let her dog take her daughter to go see Santa because it was a federal offense if we did not. At this time, with many small children nearby and other families repulsed by their immature behavior, I gently replied, “I am truly sorry ma’am, however I cannot have this type of behavior on my set. I am going to have to ask you to please leave the set immediately.” She told me to, “call the police, call security, call whoever I wanted; but get them hear NOW!” I said, “yes, right away ma’am.” We parted, I apologized to the customers in line behind them, and said we would be right with them. They replied, no problem that was very odd of the parents to react in such a way and that was the end of it for them. The family and their dog went to stand behind the very back of the set on the opposite side of the set where they were no longer visible to Santa, where they waited for security to arrive.

Security Guard, ____________________. arrived first, and his superior, ____________________., arrived shortly after. I told them of the above. They went and spoke with the family and also explained that it is only due to a medical reason that we cannot allow the dog on set. Our Santa is highly allergic, and reminded them that if they came back later, then it would be okay because our evening Santa does not have the same allergies. ____________________., told me the family said they were going to complain to both mall management and corporate and that they wanted both mine and Santa’s first names. I gave mine, Miranda, and went to ask Santa if he wanted to give his. Santa said, No, my name is Santa. I told ____________________. his reply and that if they wanted to have the company know what Santa in particular, then to please just note the time and location. Our company will know what Santa this is. ____________________.said okay, no problem and told the family to exit the premises. Then, notified myself and the other ____________________. who I had just briefed on the situation, ____________________., to call if they come back again. We agreed, without hesitance and went about notifying our manager, ____________________.

I am deeply saddened by the events today, and the comments about Santa, because he truly is here, not for the money, but simply because he LOVES his job and LOVES being Santa with all his heart.

So I would greatly appreciate that all LIES to stop. Also, just for the record, the above is the TRUTH. As a pit bull owner, my ENTIRE life. Nothing today had ANYTHING to do with the breed of her service dog. It just had to do with keeping Santa ALIVE vs. DYING in front of hundreds of people b.c some parents don’t know how to be adults, and instead ABUSE their daughter and her handicap to make headlines for their 15 minutes of fame!!!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

I'm sorry to say it, but many dog owners can be as nutty as breeders. I would guess that those on this board probably don't fall into that group simply because respecting the rights of others and their personal space seems to be a point of emphasis.

However, I've been in many dog owners homes, and so many of them hold this strange assumption that everyone loves their dog. And the bigger the dog, the more they assume that the guest of the home is okay with the dog jumping around, climbing on the guest, and barking incessantly. I can't stand it. And the owner usually laughs and makes excuses, "Oh don't mind him! Fido get down! Oh, isn't he so cute?"

ABCDE?

OK, wait - I think this is a Genesis song and it's pronounced Abacab.

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Her name is A B C D E? Seriously? Middle name AEIOUandsometimeswhy?
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Still better off than her little sibling Fu.

I know a woman who stayed at my house one weekend. She has MS and her service dog is an Anatolian Shepherd. They are bigger than Great Danes and extremely protective. She would have left Santa be without putting a fuss, as any adult should. He pulls her wheelchair, picks things she drops on the ground, and helps her get up when she falls. We went to a Denny's to eat, and the dog curled up under the table. He was a genuine service dog as well as a show dog. Of course, any dog helping some wittle miracul should be provided with full diplomatic immunity nowadays.

I'm allergic to dogs, fortunately not severely, but I don't enjoy the symptoms. It really pisses me off when I see people without genuine need passing off their dogs as service animals in public places. Genuine service dogs are pretty easy to spot because they stay close to their owner and don't wander or try to jump on you.

Anytime you have a law that lets people make claims on their own behalf, someone will try to abuse it. And anyone who genuinely suffers from a disability requiring a service animal ought to understand that other people suffer from other kinds of disabilities (like allergies) and be understanding about finding a compromise.

Allergies are a disability too. Fuck these entitled fuckwits in their attention-whoring asses. And then to defraud the media about what really happened? No mercy. fuck

The original story didn't make sense. Why would Santa refuse to have an autistic kid on his lap without the dog? THAT would be discrimination. I hope these awful cunts get coal shoved up their arses for Christmas.

Here is some info on Duh, which is a clue to what is really going on. He is a guerilla marketer:

But Can He Make A Mullet Cool?
Guerrilla Marketer Is The Toast Of Myspace.
January 31, 2006|By John Gittelsohn The Orange County Register

Ed Santos has a mullet hairdo -- as in early MTV, Billy Ray Cyrus, Joe Dirt.

As in, "Business in front; party in back."

It's so not cool, it's comic. But Santos writes his own rules when it comes to cool.

"Because it's the biggest joke of a haircut, I'm going to make it cool," says Santos, sitting in the Santa Ana, Calif., offices of Wahoo's Fish Tacos, where he works as marketing director. "That's my job: to make things cool."

As he speaks, Santos types on two computer screens and scans his Sidekick phone, messaging "friends" on MySpace.com, where he has become a virtual celebrity known as "Rock Da Mullet."

Da Mullet has more than 46,000 "friends" -- MySpace speak for people he has approved for his site -- making him one of the most popular people in today's online center of the youth universe. MySpace is a multimedia crossroads where anyone can create a home page, bare their soul, meet friends, and share photos and music -- all for free.

Santos has a lot of "friends," though he's not No. 1. A blonde named "Forbidden" who describes herself as 24, from "The OC you have never seen" lists 628,000 friends.

Santos, 38, developed a following by playing the clown and giving out stuff: Gwen Stefani concert tickets, Vans sneakers, passes to Mountain High Resort. When he asks which is better, Xbox or PlayStation, the best answer gets a Tony Hawk American Wasteland video game. He isn't just being nice. He's a guerrilla marketer.

He's promoting Wahoo's and other brands -- Monster Energy drinks, Sector Nine skateboards, Archie's Ice Cream, Draven shoes. They plant their logos and Web links on his MySpace site, counting on the association to enhance their image.

"Everybody wants these," Santos says, holding a clutch of concert tickets. "But to get them, they've got to read my site. Basically, what I do is product placement."

With 42 million members mostly age 18 to 34, MySpace is a place lots of marketers covet. Since launching in 2004, MySpace has grown to the point that it now gets more page views than Google, eBay or AOL and is gaining fast on Web leaders Yahoo and MSN.

"What he's doing gets to the heart of MySpace," says Tom Anderson, 29, president of Los Angeles-based MySpace. "It's a good way to promote all sorts of things."

On a typical day, Santos receives about 20,000 messages, arriving from points as distant as Scotland and Australia.

While he works for Wahoo's, Santos gets his share of the bounty from his online success -- tickets, posters signed by X-Games stars, a red-and-yellow wallet that says "Ed" made for him by designer Paul Frank. He got a 2005 Nissan Titan pickup painted with flames and the logo for Corona-based Hansen Beverage Co., the parent of Monster Energy drinks.

"Eddy has a great following with kids," says Paul Palacios, Monster Energy's music marketing director. "They see him almost as a rock star. Everywhere he goes, we want to be."

Wahoo's owner, Wing Lam, says he likes tying his business to the events and brands Santos promotes because they can bask in mutual coolness. Lam also appreciates the price. "Nothing," Lam says, forming a zero with his thumb and index finger.

Santos declines to say how much he earns from his promotions. On his MySpace profile, he states an income of $75,000 to $100,000, but he doesn't specify whether that's just his salary. In fact, he doesn't mention that he works for Wahoo's.

Mary Gilly, professor of marketing at UC Irvine's Paul Merage School of Business, says she thinks it's unethical for Santos to promote Wahoo's without disclosing where he gets paid.

"There's already enough dishonesty on the Internet without it being used for guerilla marketing," she says, adding that her students think differently.

"My freshmen didn't have a problem with stealth marketing," she says. "I wasn't successful in getting them upset."

Santos says his appeal depends on creating a mystique. "If it's just me working at Wahoo's, then I'm just a guy who makes tacos," he says. "But here I'm the Mullet Guy. They don't know why, but now Wahoo's is cool. So I've done my job."

Santos' Web site is a collage of scantily clad women, riffs on his '80s-style haircut and more logos than a NASCAR driver's jumpsuit. He's both energized and embarrassed by his MySpace fame. Despite his flip persona, he takes his responsibilities seriously. He has a son, 16, by a former wife, and a daughter, 6, by his current girlfriend, and knows the burdens of parenthood.

He refuses to make "friends" with people who post swastikas or racist remarks. He awards prizes with caution. It's the thoughtfulness -- in addition to giveaways and a goofy haircut -- that make Da Mullet a hit.

Jimi Sepulveda of Riverside, Calif., says he started buying Hansen's drinks after "meeting" Santos online and seeing his truck. Santos gave Sepulveda's daughter Arianna, 14, tickets to the Stefani concert, choosing her because she is blind. The ticket giveaway was a promotion for SqueezeOC, a weekly published by The Orange County Register's parent, Freedom Communications.

Arianna wrote a thank you note: a poster that spelled out "Rock Da Mullet" in Braille.

For Santos, life was not always about the mullet. He grew up in Los Angeles and moved to Orange County, Calif., in 1988. He spent most of the 1990s working for Black Flys, a Costa Mesa sunglass company. During that era, he wore a mohawk, got tattooed and began inserting Maori-style hoops in his earlobes. But friends -- real ones, not MySpace -- laughed at old photos of him with the mullet. So he decided to grow it back in 2002.

Then he began promoting himself independently, plastering decals of his mug around Orange County before moving to MySpace.

"I first started liking him because of his hair," says Kimberly Martinez, 19, of Duarte, Calif., known on MySpace as "Chickameow." "I thought it was funny, and then it turned out to be cool, and then I got some tickets from him to a movie premiere."

And the PR flack Julie Miller and dog trainer Julie Hernandez? One and the same. And of course she is the moo of awwwtism kids. http://ladyluckconsulting.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html

Unfortunately the laws for service dogs leave the door wide open for fraud. http://www.federalwaymirror.com/news/147080865.html But unless this girl needs the dog to write press releases or do strategic planning, it is not a service animal.

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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

That's why I love this message board. People on here have some goddamn sense, and are willing to look behind the headlines and question what's really going on with these trashy, child-exploiting idiots.

Some comments from the mall site are also intriguing:

Poster 1: I think we are all missing the real issue here...the little girl's name is Abcde. A-B-C-D-E....I don't care how it is "pronounced. That is seriously the stupidest, laziest thing I have ever seen. Who do these people think they are, celebrities?!
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Reply 1thru 3 defending famblee.

Reply 4: Yes, they do think they are celebrities. The father was a myspace celebrity named Ed aka rock da mullet. I've known these people for years and the mother is mental, she loves drama and this story is full of lies and the mall is just trying to make it disappear by doing whatever Kori and Ed say because their PR agent will drag the mall through the mud if they don't.
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Reply 5, same person: And abcde is the name they have been telling everyone side the day she was born, so it's not made up for this incident, there have been many incidents with this family all over.
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Anothe poster when someone whined about autism and her neeeeeeding the dog because she is developmentally delayed:

Autism isn't "developmentally delayed", it's just different wiring. I'm autistic and I don't drool on myself, I don't need someone to dress me. I own my own consulting company. It turns out Autism is almost a super power, if you want your power to be getting really interested and excited over insane minutiae.

You're a moron who wants to let parents use the claim that their child is Autistic be a shield for their bad behaviour. And I do mean claim. In the couple of hours I've been aware of this and looking into it, I've never seen an instance where the parents provided any proof that the child is actually Autistic. Most people will recoil and fall over themselves to not look insensitive, when everyone should be asking the parents for proof.
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The autistic guy speaks again:

The Shops at Mission Viejo are completely wrong in this.

For one, there is zero law or regulation on what actually qualifies as a service dog, and they're not required to be certified or licensed in any way. It's a huge gap in the ADA that doesn't require any of this, but also prevents business owners from asking for proof even if licenses were required. There is also an issue that this would be a companion dog, not a service dog, and there is nothing by any credible organization that says companion or service dogs help autistics in any way.

It's also a flipping pit bull. Santa has a right to be afraid of them, as anyone should be. I am a gun owner and avid shooter, and I get incredibly nervous when I am in places that allow open-carry of firearms.

All you have done is let some really scum-bag parents continue to use their daughter's difference as a do-whatever-you-want card.

Nice knee-jerk reaction, you pricks.
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It is not the first time Kori Santos does something like this. I'm sure she has her lawyer ready as she is obviously looking for something and it isn't to educate the public on this manner. What a shame to see what you have turned into, and how badly you are exploiting your daughter's disability. Parents usually want peace of mind for their children. I feel sorry for the victims of this woman's rage, people losing their jobs over this is not a victory.
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Here's a link to the law and the expert excluding emotional support animals as service animals:

". Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA."

http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
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And the coup de grace:

OK, everyone calm down for one minute.

Has anyone stopped to think whether this "Santa's" allergy to dogs was so severe as to qualify as a disabling condition? If so, the company that hires him couldn't refuse to hire him on that basis or they would be discriminating against a disabled person - HIM.

AND if HIS allergy rises to the severity of being disabling, he broke no law denying to allow this dog to approach him.

NONE

(Pause as everyone loses their mind....)

You think being unable to see Santa at that exact moment was traumatic to Abcde? Imagine how traumatic it would have been for all the children in line to see Santa start to hyperventilate, start frantically gasping for breath as his lungs begin to close, turn blue, fall to the floor and flop like a fish until someone came running over to skewer him with an epi-pen.

We wouldn't have just one over dramatic pair of parents and one upset little girl, we'd have dozens of upset parents and dozens of children convinced they just saw Santa die.

Talk about a disaster - try fixing THAT. All because Abcde's parents didn't want to wait an hour for a Santa that wasn't allergic to dogs.

One person's disability does not trump another's. When two disabled people must be in the same room, and there's a conflict, the business (classroom, whatever...) needs to do their best to accommodate both parties.

In the case of a service dog in a classroom with a severely disablingly allergic person also in the room, the ADA suggests keeping the two parties as far apart as possible.

In this case, that couldn't be done. Yes the parents said they'd hold the dog (in their account) but other accounts said they were screaming about discrimination and said they (the mall) must allow the dog to stay with Abcde or they'd be discriminating against her.

(Stop arguing which account is correct. No one here was there. You don't know what really happened unless you were there. So just stop.)

The management suggested they come back in an hour to see Santa after he received his Christmas miracle and was healed of his allergy (the next Santa came on duty). The parents adamantly refused. From accounts, they started cursing - all the while in line with children on their best behavior waiting to see Santa. Charming.

Anyone with a service dog knows that, when it comes to denial of access issues, you need to stay calm or you could legally be asked to leave because of your disruptive behavior - and then any discrimination issue (on the basis of denial of access) will be null and void.

IF the Santa's allergy does rise to the severity to qualify as a disability, the girl (with the dog) and Santa - two equally disabled individuals under the law - couldn't have been accommodated at the same time. So management offered a compromise - and a legally valid one. They couldn't pull another Santa from out of the air, so they asked the parents to bring back Abcde - and her service dog - when another non-dog-allergic Santa was present.

If that's the case, the Santa and mall broke no law. There is no lawsuit.

Sorry, those are the legal facts people.

And here's the Americans with Disabilities Act definition of "disabled"

'An individual with a disability is defined by the ADA as a person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities, a person who has a history or record of such an impairment, or a person who is perceived by others as having such an impairment."

It's pretty broad. If a few other people simply "perceive" him of being disabled because of his severe allergy to dogs, guess what? He's disabled. He isn't disabled in the sense that he suddenly gets a handicapped parking permit or monthly checks from Social Security Disability, but he is considered disabled and, therefore, protected under the ADA - as equally as Abcde and her service dog.

And if that's the case, this case just evaporated.
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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

From an ADA training site:

A service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Tasks performed can include, among other things, pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped items, alerting a person to a sound, reminding a person to take medication, or pressing an elevator button.

Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title II and Title III of the ADA. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not considered service animals either. The work or tasks performed by a service animal must be directly related to the individual’s disability. It does not matter if a person has a note from a doctor that states that the person has a disability and needs to have the animal for emotional support. A doctor’s letter does not turn an animal into a service animal.

Examples of animals that fit the ADA’s definition of “service animal” because they have been specifically trained to perform a task for the person with a disability:

· Guide Dog or Seeing Eye® Dog1 is a carefully trained dog that serves as a travel tool for persons who have severe visual impairments or are blind.

· Hearing or Signal Dog is a dog that has been trained to alert a person who has a significant hearing loss or is deaf when a sound occurs, such as a knock on the door.

· Psychiatric Service Dog is a dog that has been trained to perform tasks that assist individuals with disabilities to detect the onset of psychiatric episodes and lessen their effects. Tasks performed by psychiatric service animals may include reminding the handler to take medicine, providing safety checks or room searches, or turning on lights for persons with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, interrupting self-mutilation by persons with dissociative identity disorders, and keeping disoriented individuals from danger.

· SSigDOG (sensory signal dogs or social signal dog) is a dog trained to assist a person with autism. The dog alerts the handler to distracting repetitive movements common among those with autism, allowing the person to stop the movement (e.g., hand flapping).

· Seizure Response Dog is a dog trained to assist a person with a seizure disorder. How the dog serves the person depends on the person’s needs. The dog may stand guard over the person during a seizure or the dog may go for help. A few dogs have learned to predict a seizure and warn the person in advance to sit down or move to a safe place.

Under Title II and III of the ADA, service animals are limited to dogs. However, entities must make reasonable modifications in policies to allow individuals with disabilities to use miniature horses if they have been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for individuals with disabilities.
III. Other Support or Therapy Animals

While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities. Even though some states have laws defining therapy animals, these animals are not limited to working with people with disabilities and therefore are not covered by federal laws protecting the use of service animals. Therapy animals provide people with therapeutic contact, usually in a clinical setting, to improve their physical, social, emotional, and/or cognitive functioning.

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That is a great point to start on, and a great reminder! So, tell Reno moms: why does A. need a service Dog?

A. has autism, and with this comes an array of issues that make life increasingly difficult. While autism means different things to the people who live with it, for A. it means that she struggles with daily life. It puts her in a place where self-injurious behavior is comforting, where simple things like working in a classroom setting are impossible and where placing herself in constant danger makes sense. This is just a small glimpse into the day-to-day issues she encounters.

How is Pup-Cake used on a daily basis?

Pup-Cake the service dog keeps A. out of the danger she constantly finds herself in. Some of this danger may be self -inflicted and some she may enter into unknowingly. The service animal’s job is to keep A. safe from any harm (self-inflicted or other), and intercept the various tendencies that go along with autism.

Why is Pup-cake vital to helping A. cope with the everyday world?

Pup-Cake not only intercepts the autistic tendencies that A. struggles with on a daily basis, but also keeps her safe. Her service animal will alert us should A. try to exit the home, and will keep her close while out in public.

So the dog is a parent? Maybe I am a cynic but why do I smell whiffs of Balloon Boy?

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From a bottle cap message on a Magic Hat #9 beer: Condoms Prevent Minivans
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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

From the PR woman's site: https://www.facebook.com/BullNannies/info?tab=page_info

Therapy dogs are not service or assistance dogs. Therapy Dog refers to a dog trained to provide affection and comfort to people in hospitals, retirement homes, nursing homes, mental institutions, schools and stressful situations.

There ya have it...NOT a service dog.

Although she does bloviate about how some do go on to advance training to become service dogs at huge expense and swears Pup-cake is one of them, I have yet to see where this dog went beyond BullNannies. But BullNannies says on its site they are not service dogs.

I will tell you something that this case makes me happy for…that serious allergies don’t matter. Considering kids today are allergic to everything from peanuts to oxygen, I find this turnabout amusing.

Since now parents are now claiming allergies are not disabilities, feel free to eat peanuts wherever you damn well please, parents can let kids bring PB and Js and peanut butter cookies with impunity…because their kids trump your allergies. And you all are someone's kids. Bring on the service peanut butter cups.

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From a bottle cap message on a Magic Hat #9 beer: Condoms Prevent Minivans
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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

Even IF the dog was a legitimate service dog, which it was NOT, Santa has a right to a safe work environment by not being exposed to something he's deathly allergic to.

No, lurking autizmooos, your little sneauflayx's right to a 'service dog' does not trump the right for someone else to live. Also, your little sneauflayx's right to sit on Santa's knee does not trump Santa's right to live. Get over it, bitches. The world doesn't revolve around you and your flappers!

Either severe allergies are no big deal or no one can eat a peanut in the same county as a Cznowflayke with a nut allergy...make up your minds, breeders.

I really hope the true story circulates like the "original" version did. It sounds like the dog was not a service animal, but even if it was, Abcde's larious "right" to not wait an hour to see Santa does not trump Santa's right to a safe work environment. Severe allergic reactions can be deadly...waiting another hour for Santa is not.

Poor dog, having to live with these idiots.

Since they've changed the parameters of autism to the point that it's now 1 in every 64 or 88 kids diagnosed with it, it's now common as fucking brown eyes. So with that considered, shouldn't we stop treating these kids like special snowflakes and giving them the world? When everybody is special, nobody is special. How many other kids in that line were autistic? I see the line at my local mall every season and there are a couple hundred kids waiting, so there have to be several autistic kids there. Which one is more special than the other?

It's like every fucking kid out there is autistic, so I'm completely unmoved by this.

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"Society does not need more children; but it does need more loved children. Quite literally, we cannot afford unloved children - but we pay heavily for them every day. There should not be the slightest communal concern when a woman elects to destroy the life of her thousandth-of-an-ounce embryo. But all society should rise up in alarm when it hears that a baby that is not wanted is about to be born."
- Garrett Hardin

"I feel like there's a message involved here somehow, but then I couldn't stop laughing at all the plotholes, like the part when North Korea has food."
- Youtube commentor referring to a North Korean cartoon.

"Reality is a bitch when it slowly crawls out of your vagina and shits in your lap."
- Reddit comment

"Bitch wants a baby, so we're gonna fuck now. #bareback"
- Cambion

Oh whatever. Abortion doctors are crimestoppers."
- Miss Hannigan

I copy/pasted the "real story" from Assistant Manager Miranda on Pup-Cake's FB page (lol, yep) last night and was instantly banned from posting again. At 2 in the morning. These people are truly psycho.

Yeah, they have a page where they talk in the service dog's voice, saying things like "Humans are weird, bark. Woof." It's creepy.