"Women are physically weaker than men so they should know their place"
Posted by blackpearl
This subject came up in the context of sports when i searched some stuff about women and gym training. I'm one of the persons that goes to gym regularly and practices other kinds of sports (jogging and aerobics are on my top list). I had some people occasionally telling me to be careful about so much training because i'll get too bulky and won't look feminine enough. Lately one guy at the gym commented that i'll get too thick legs while doing my leg workout. And my personal favorite: if i train too much, i won't get my periods and therefore won't be able to get knocked up.
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In my searches bumped into some MRA sites that were taking the out the biological argument that women will never be equal in sports to men because women are physically weaker and women's sports are a joke. Actually, this is true, most of women are physically weaker than men but under no circumstance i would consider women's sports a joke.
BUT, what really disturbed me are the idiots using this statement to say that women should know their "place". The biology argument has always disturbed me because that is one of the major arguments which is used as an attack on CF. Here to be included the biological clock and how the desire to have kids is wired in women because biology and women who don't want kids are abnormal.
Also the physical weakness argument has been used against women to stop them doing certain professions and sports (see ski jumping).
I can't help wondering though, if i am considered so weak than why i'm expected to do smth. that takes a serious toll on the body and can even kill me? People have no problem is saying that pregnancy and calving are so natchuraal but when i train at the gym some go insane.
eyes2In my searches bumped into some MRA sites that were taking the out the biological argument that women will never be equal in sports to men because women are physically weaker and women's sports are a joke. Actually, this is true, most of women are physically weaker than men but under no circumstance i would consider women's sports a joke.
BUT, what really disturbed me are the idiots using this statement to say that women should know their "place". The biology argument has always disturbed me because that is one of the major arguments which is used as an attack on CF. Here to be included the biological clock and how the desire to have kids is wired in women because biology and women who don't want kids are abnormal.
Also the physical weakness argument has been used against women to stop them doing certain professions and sports (see ski jumping).
I can't help wondering though, if i am considered so weak than why i'm expected to do smth. that takes a serious toll on the body and can even kill me? People have no problem is saying that pregnancy and calving are so natchuraal but when i train at the gym some go insane.
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blackpearl
This subject came up in the context of sports when i searched some stuff about women and gym training. I'm one of the persons that goes to gym regularly and practices other kinds of sports (jogging and aerobics are on my top list). I had some people occasionally telling me to be careful about so much training because i'll get too bulky and won't look feminine enough. Lately one guy at the gym commented that i'll get too thick legs while doing my leg workout. And my personal favorite: if i train too much, i won't get my periods and therefore won't be able to get knocked up.
In my searches bumped into some MRA sites that were taking the out the biological argument that women will never be equal in sports to men because women are physically weaker and women's sports are a joke. Actually, this is true, most of women are physically weaker than men but under no circumstance i would consider women's sports a joke.
BUT, what really disturbed me are the idiots using this statement to say that women should know their "place". The biology argument has always disturbed me because that is one of the major arguments which is used as an attack on CF. Here to be included the biological clock and how the desire to have kids is wired in women because biology and women who don't want kids are abnormal.
Also the physical weakness argument has been used against women to stop them doing certain professions and sports (see ski jumping).
I can't help wondering though, if i am considered so weak than why i'm expected to do smth. that takes a serious toll on the body and can even kill me? People have no problem is saying that pregnancy and calving are so natchuraal but when i train at the gym some go insane.
Don't you just love how women are so weak, and should always know their place and defer to men
eyes2It's about keeping women in their place. Pregnancy keeps women down, plain and simple. Having to care for babies puts women at a disadvantage in our society. I know there are some people here would would differ on that, and that's OK. But in the real world, having a high powered job doesn't mix with diaper changes, breast feeding, school runs, etc.. Indoctrinating women from a very young age to want babies, husband and SAHM is a way to keep women occupied on other things, so they don't directly compete with men. I stopped counting all the number of entitled men who were butthurt because ambitious women were getting jobs they felt a man should have, by virtue of him having a dick. Pro-natalism benefits men, because putting women on a pedestal for doing something any alley cat can do keeps women dependent on their partners, husbands, and society. It makes them feel special for doing absolutely nothing. A financially dependent woman with a baby isn't likely to seriously challenge the system, or her husband, if it means she ends up homeless and hungry. And of course, men would get their dickwerks trophy. And lots of loser men wouldn't have to put much effort into finding a partner.
I don't know about others, but I think toned, muscled women are beautiful! A woman with strong, lean muscled legs is drop dead sexy
Any man who denigrates a muscled woman is just letting you know what his fears and insecurities are. A weak woman is easy to push around. A strong woman will fight back.MRA sites suck donkey balls. They're filled with angry, bitter, sorry-excuses-for-a-man. If those creeps had their way, women wouldn't have the right to vote, violence against women would be in the Constitution, and forced breeding would be the law. Oh yeah, and don't forget the mandatory DNA test, to be sure it was his dick that spawned the loaf. Child support would be non-existent, too. MRA are scum.
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blackpearl
This subject came up in the context of sports when i searched some stuff about women and gym training. I'm one of the persons that goes to gym regularly and practices other kinds of sports (jogging and aerobics are on my top list). I had some people occasionally telling me to be careful about so much training because i'll get too bulky and won't look feminine enough. Lately one guy at the gym commented that i'll get too thick legs while doing my leg workout. And my personal favorite: if i train too much, i won't get my periods and therefore won't be able to get knocked up.
In my searches bumped into some MRA sites that were taking the out the biological argument that women will never be equal in sports to men because women are physically weaker and women's sports are a joke. Actually, this is true, most of women are physically weaker than men but under no circumstance i would consider women's sports a joke.
BUT, what really disturbed me are the idiots using this statement to say that women should know their "place". The biology argument has always disturbed me because that is one of the major arguments which is used as an attack on CF. Here to be included the biological clock and how the desire to have kids is wired in women because biology and women who don't want kids are abnormal.
Also the physical weakness argument has been used against women to stop them doing certain professions and sports (see ski jumping).
I can't help wondering though, if i am considered so weak than why i'm expected to do smth. that takes a serious toll on the body and can even kill me? People have no problem is saying that pregnancy and calving are so natchuraal but when i train at the gym some go insane.
Don't you just love how women are so weak, and should always know their place and defer to men
It's about keeping women in their place. Pregnancy keeps women down, plain and simple. Having to care for babies puts women at a disadvantage in our society. I know there are some people here would would differ on that, and that's OK. But in the real world, having a high powered job doesn't mix with diaper changes, breast feeding, school runs, etc.. Indoctrinating women from a very young age to want babies, husband and SAHM is a way to keep women occupied on other things, so they don't directly compete with men. I stopped counting all the number of entitled men who were butthurt because ambitious women were getting jobs they felt a man should have, by virtue of him having a dick. Pro-natalism benefits men, because putting women on a pedestal for doing something any alley cat can do keeps women dependent on their partners, husbands, and society. It makes them feel special for doing absolutely nothing. A financially dependent woman with a baby isn't likely to seriously challenge the system, or her husband, if it means she ends up homeless and hungry. And of course, men would get their dickwerks trophy. And lots of loser men wouldn't have to put much effort into finding a partner.
I don't know about others, but I think toned, muscled women are beautiful! A woman with strong, lean muscled legs is drop dead sexy
MRA sites suck donkey balls. They're filled with angry, bitter, sorry-excuses-for-a-man. If those creeps had their way, women wouldn't have the right to vote, violence against women would be in the Constitution, and forced breeding would be the law. Oh yeah, and don't forget the mandatory DNA test, to be sure it was his dick that spawned the loaf. Child support would be non-existent, too. MRA are scum.
I agree, with all this. Well muscled people of both genders are hot. MRA's are just plain nuts, and I don't think women will truly be equal until babies can be made outside of women. Pregnancy ruins bodies, any social benefits from pregnancy are a consolation prize. Most women are brainwashed into spawning. Have you read "The Feminine Mystique" by Betty Friedan? I think it explains a lot of obnoxious moo behavior.
On the science side of men vs. women, although men tend to be stronger on average due to testosterone, they also live shorter lives due to testosterone, and commit more violent crimes due to testosterone. Plus the Y chromosome is fucked up. It's basically just a tiny chunk of the X chromosome. There are genetic mutations that cause terrible things in men and wonderful things in women. For example there is a gene that causes color blindness in males and can cause enhanced color vision in females. Not to mention the theory that men will eventually become extinct due to Y chromosome degradation. The modern Y chromosome contains only three percent of the genes it had when it started evolving.
These arguments fail in several ways. Those better versed in that can do better than I can.
Here's a list of the 'logical fallacies' -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
The sharp people here who remember or use these ideas -
Can work off of those better than I can.
I have to run alot of numbers work wise, I'm about two steps removed from a professional gambler. (I analyze and trade the commodities markets.)
So I would look at this from a numbers / variables angle perhaps. And IMO that's why most of these arguments don't work. You can't work off of averages because *too many* people are close to average. Yes, that sounds like it makes no sense - but it is simple common sense that you cannot proscribe the traits of an outlier to the aggregate.
Most people are *outside of* the Strong and Well Trained set. Those people are relatively rare. They are outliers and you cannot compare 'the average' to them. And if 'factored in' - they 'drag up' the average also.
You could probably apply math to this -
I am too lazy to do so myself. But I hope I conveyed the gist of my idea here - this argument fails by the 'average'.
Eggheads - help me out here!
These type of M V F arguments fail on various logic principles.
(These ideas apply to many other arguments as well.)
You Smart Kids here! - Can expand upon this / explain it better then I can. There's all sorts of 'logic fails' with these various arguments.
Here's a list of the 'logical fallacies' -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
The sharp people here who remember or use these ideas -
Can work off of those better than I can.
I have to run alot of numbers work wise, I'm about two steps removed from a professional gambler. (I analyze and trade the commodities markets.)
So I would look at this from a numbers / variables angle perhaps. And IMO that's why most of these arguments don't work. You can't work off of averages because *too many* people are close to average. Yes, that sounds like it makes no sense - but it is simple common sense that you cannot proscribe the traits of an outlier to the aggregate.
Most people are *outside of* the Strong and Well Trained set. Those people are relatively rare. They are outliers and you cannot compare 'the average' to them. And if 'factored in' - they 'drag up' the average also.
You could probably apply math to this -
I am too lazy to do so myself. But I hope I conveyed the gist of my idea here - this argument fails by the 'average'.
Eggheads - help me out here!
These type of M V F arguments fail on various logic principles.
(These ideas apply to many other arguments as well.)
You Smart Kids here! - Can expand upon this / explain it better then I can. There's all sorts of 'logic fails' with these various arguments.
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I forgot to add: The time the Babe Ruth guy and Lou Lehrig got their asses handed to them by a 17-year-old girl
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A few days after Mitchell struck out Ruth and Gehrig, baseball commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis voided her contract and declared women unfit to play baseball as the game was "too strenuous."
eyes2Got to be careful that women might win at some sport or activity that men own. Frankly, I don't think women care so much when men excel at things that have been traditionally female, like cooking or fashion. Women can compete directly with men in some sports, and it was an amazing thing that Jackie struck those legends out at the plate, but she got punished for her accomplishment. According to the article she kept playing but she was seen as something of a sideshow freak. WTF.
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