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As horrid and sexist as our Guest's argument sounds, I wholeheartedly agree. Speaking as a woman (with a long-term boyfriend and no desire to get legally married or have children), I find this often to be the case with other women. I recall a conversation many years ago with a friend of mine when I announced to her that I had no desire to marry. Her response: "What?!Don't you want any security?!" No lie. That's what she said. So, it truly doesn't surprise me that a lot of women lose interest in sex after marriage. At that point, they've gotten what they wanted so why waste the effort? It makes me very angry and very ashamed to be a part of the female sex. But, take comfort in the knowledge that we're not ALL like that.

canadacf Wrote:
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> Hey all,
>
> I realize that this thread is old.. but i have to
> say .. this idiot sounds much like the "great
> brain" behind "americanwomensuck.com" ... i.e. he
> hates western women and plans (???) to marry a
> mail-order-bride from Russian, Eastern Europe or
> Vietnam/China.
>
> Pathetic.

Marrying a mail-order ho is even riskier than marrying a Western woman. I know a woman who worked in the travel industry who saw how these women from the Orient or Russia only wanted a green card. And...I have known more than a few men who have been screwed by these overseas cunts. These Asian women put on the act of "I only want to serve you" with their bows and hands in a prayer mode only to want to divorce within some years of getting their US citizenship so they can fuck the man out of his assets. Often, they get the ideas from these other Asian cunts. As for the Russians, those women are tough customers. Forget the Contessa act. These broads will knife a man in his sleep. Same with the Thai women. I worked security with a few retired cops who dealt with these cunts on domestic calls, which are as dangerous as routine traffic stops. Also...Asian women are very pushy but know how to put on the "nice" act 'til they get what they want. If anyone does not believe it, go into an Asian business or to their homes regardless if these women are married to Americans or other Asians.

Pepper Wrote:
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> As horrid and sexist as our Guest's argument
> sounds, I wholeheartedly agree. Speaking as a
> woman (with a long-term boyfriend and no desire to
> get legally married or have children), I find this
> often to be the case with other women. I recall a
> conversation many years ago with a friend of mine
> when I announced to her that I had no desire to
> marry. Her response: "What?!Don't you want any
> security?!" No lie. That's what she said. So, it
> truly doesn't surprise me that a lot of women lose
> interest in sex after marriage. At that point,
> they've gotten what they wanted so why waste the
> effort? It makes me very angry and very ashamed to
> be a part of the female sex. But, take comfort in
> the knowledge that we're not ALL like that.


Pepper, I have received the same response when I have mentioned that I have no desire to marry again after being taken in a $$$ manner from my last husband. The question from other women is the typical, "Don't you want security?" I make it very clear that NOTHING is "secure" in this life. Jeez...even jobs that people once held for 20 years can be ripped out from under you. Back to marriage, I just look at it as legalized prostitution. A woman is basically offering to rent her cunt in exchange for gold wedding bands and "security". Yet...the wives snap those legs shut and then don't give a damn about appearance once they have their "security". Yeah...Guest may have sounded sexist but he is absolutely correct when a girlfriend tends to be a hell of a lot nicer to a mate than a wife! I also often feel I have to justify myself as a female to try to show by example that I am not like most women...

As far as I can tell the best security anyone could have is their own income and their own bank account to put it in.

Pirate Joe is my hero...and I haven't even read the whole 3 pages of messages yet!!! :yr

this is precisely the reason why so many men are not marrying, are having nothing to do with women, they get called dicks, whingers, and worse, a woman has control in a marriage, (in most), if theres a divorce, she can get most of his money, if theres kids she can get more, all she needs to do is claim he abused her, and thats it..

to a lot of women having a child is the holy wallet. and once she has access to the money, she doesnt need to do anything else ever again.

a lot of men are looking elsewhere because the chances of finding a money grabbing whore (who sells her uterus), seems to be better. its a slight decrease in the chances. but. its their desperation.

then you get women complaining theres no good men about.. there are. but "feminists" have destroyed them.

in most marriages in america and in the UK women have the power.. in the most negative of senses.. and do you wonder why men are pissed off at women, and treat them like dirt, its because we are told we are dirt, over and over, and we think well if they think like that, then damn it we will act like it.. we have nothing to lose. this is what men think.. of course i may get flamed, but.. i dont much care.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

Mercurior, the mail-order brides are just as horrific as they only want to marry a Westerner for citizenship. The thing that has been happening that is a secret in the mail-order ho community is how these cunts wait patiently for ten years even if they get citizenship relatively easy. Why do they do this? Because the bitches learn from their other Far East friends how they can get more Cunt Settlement during the divorce. If a military man has been married ten years, he also has to fork over HALF of his pension from the armed services even if the cunt is the one who walked out of the marriage and had NO children. For a woman to wait ten years to $$$ rape the man shows very much how she have evil intent. Someone has to be a fucking sociopath to do that to another person.

My ex-husband had a co-worker who went to the Mustang Ranch in Nevada when he felt the "need". This guy was so over dating and the automatic expectations of commitment and marriage after taking a woman out for maybe a month. At least, there is not the game of "I will call you" after the deed is done at a brothel. We all knew the guy did this because a talk show had an episode at the place in the late 80's...and my ex's co-worker was right on TV. The man really did get razzed at work which was mostly males. However, I do believe most of the marrieds at my former husband's job were jealous that they were stuck in marriages because they knew the alternative (financial rape) if there was that drive to divorce court.

I can see why men use escort services or other forms of prostitution for sex rather than do the "dating thing". It really is cheaper in the long run. Having someone to do some household duties and maybe cooking is also cheaper than having a wife. The domestic worker gets a salary for work done. The man does not have to put her on his medical insurance or give her spending money for doing nothing. A wife and children (even a wife with no children) is the worst thing a man can do to his finances as he literally signs it all over once he says those shitty words, "I do". Women do not need marriage in this day and age as they can support themselves. A woman should feel a lack of respect to want marriage in an era where she has options to take care of herself.

yes i know, but i was just saying that most men prefer to take the chance, its like the difference between certain death and a serious maiming. american and british women are almost all death, foreign brides they may be bad, but they are still a fraction better than the other option.

i can only say what most men feel. 90% compared to 75% bad.. which would you choose.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I dunno, I think there are probably many reasons why people of both genders aren't marrying in the numbers they once did, because it certianly isn't just men who aren't marrying...

1. Lack of trust. No one trusts anyone to be honest, respectful or trustworthy any more. Our media and government constantly say "stay alert, don't trust anyone, if you talk to a stranger they'll kidnap, torture and kill you, be afraid...be very Very Afraid". We're much easier to control when we're terrified, but alot less likely to enteract with eachother in beneficial ways.

2. Greed. Both genders are portrayed as greedy assholes all the time. Men want their expensive "toys", and women want everything else. The message is all that matters are your possessions and your potential earning power.

3. The ease of divorce. I'd say 75% of the kids I grew up with had divorced parents, at least 50% of them were growing up in single parent households and I was in a mostly white, middle class community. If you go into a relationship assuming you will end up divorced like your parents, or friends parents, chances are you will. Maybe you're less likely to work out problems that arise in your marriage, or more likely to follow the trend, marry whomever comes along with the assumption that you can just divorce them when things turn bad.

mercurior Wrote:
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> yes i know, but i was just saying that most men
> prefer to take the chance, its like the
> difference between certain death and a serious
> maiming. american and british women are almost
> all death, foreign brides they may be bad, but
> they are still a fraction better than the other
> option.
>
> i can only say what most men feel. 90% compared to
> 75% bad.. which would you choose.

Don't think the Lotus Blossoms or the little "Contessas" are these sweet little Buddhists with their hands in the wai positions saying, "I only want to serve you, Massuh," or the tale of the poor Russian woman struggling after the end of Communism. I've known too many women married to the Far East mail-order brides and know a woman, who worked in the travel industry knowing these women are only looking for a Westerner as "our streets are paved with gold". These women are more schooled in taking a man after many years of marriage than us "cunty" Western women.

I was married to a man with money eons ago and I did none of that shit. I had my dignity. Gee...I guess I am okay for being a Western and modern "cunt". What a shock, huh? I am tired of the same guys thinking these "lotus blossoms" are going to lick their assholes and LIKE it along with not being spoken unless spoken to first. If I am a bitch, so be it...yet I have never stolen from a man and walked away from a marriage with nothing when I could have gotten more had I been a greedy human being.

Now, I may have been a different person had I been one of these Far East bitches who had everything handed to me when coming here with nothing except a checkered past. If you want to take your chances with a non-Western woman, take the same precautions and have the bitch sign a pre-nup. Most won't...and a friend's soon-to-be ex-Asian wife said she would have never signed one if asked. That says it all of of her intentions. Most are cunts. The stories I heard would make your hair stand up and it is from ex-military men also who were working security with me...not because they fucking loved the job but because they had to hand over half of their military pension to their ex-overseas wives after 10 years of marriage.

If I was male and just HAD the desire to marry, I would choose one of my own rather than deal with the games foreigners play because it is easy to believe the "I so shy and want to serve you" shit. Same goes for women who think foreign men are so sexy and exotic when all they want is a fucking green card and a sugar mama.

i agree ame, but most men think its like that, its russian roulette, but in american womens case its 5 live bullets, in asian its 4.. with those sort of odds.. you can see why they want to do it.

thats the impression american women give. its too dangerous, but the others they are less dangerous by a minute fraction. but... its there.

thats all i am saying. and thats what men think, arguing that men dont think like it, when i know they do.. i was just stating what men were thinking.

95% of american women arent worth the effort, 80% of foreign brides arent worth it, that gives you a 15% better chance.. its tiny. but its there. i would rather risk 20% than 5 % wouldnt you. i am not saying its right.

in part its women in the western world to blame, why they are pressuring men to go elsewhere, where there is a SLIGHTLY better chance of finding a decent woman.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

My mom will swear up and down that it's the MAN who loses interest in sex after marriage...

When has a woman ever lost half her assets? Try when she's raising a kid, meanwhile the father only has to pay what he can afford! Never mind if she can ill-afford the rest--she's the custodial parent!

Heh, yeah, I've been married "in my heart" too. Funny how quick a guy's heart forgets when he's got a new set of big boobies to play with! Sorry, give me traditional marriage any day. Maybe if we'd been married everyone around us wouldn't've been so okay with his behavior and would've understood why I was so hurt.

Plus marriage has pre-nups and all sorts of laws to protect one in case it DOES break up.

I'm going to be moving in with my boyfriend soon. Going to have to insist that we buy all living necessities separately (i.e. no buying a vacuum together--one person buys it) and keep track of who brought what so when the relationship splits up, there's no fighting about who gets what.

The ex and I had some joint property--luckily just small stuff. Guess who got all that stuff? I was lucky to get my stuff back at all! (we'd been planning on moving in together too as soon as I got a job near him, so a good amount of my stuff was at his place--pretty much I'd moved my stuff out of my dorm room to his apartment, we didn't see a point in moving it back to my mom's house. He dumped me, gave me back my stuff--or at least most of it except a couple small things--but he sure got to keep all the stuff we had jointly because all he had to give back was what he wanted me to have! He was being such a dick after we split up that he was making up all this bullshit about "I'm not coming to your house to bring you your stuff, we'll meet in a public place" or "I'll just leave it outside" --right, to get stolen or ruined in the weather?? Piece of shit made it sound like I was going to shoot his ass or something. After what he did I would've liked to, but that's beside the point)

Get married? Hell yeah, I gotta protect myself! I want all those laws that say I get to keep half of what we built TOGETHER and such...and as I don't want to spend my entire life keeping a list of who bought what and making sure we do it separately with our own money, I'll take the piece of paper and pre-nups that protect me instead.

Frankly, if the boi and I ever get married we'll be a piece of work. He wants, when he gets married, to keep the finances separate so she can't clean him out. That's his brand of mistrust. I want the finances to be combined so there's no bullshit going on behind my back--spending on other chicks, etc. That's MY brand of mistrust. Hrm. (I think I told him once, "if you don't want to get cleaned out, don't do anything to deserve it." I'm not sure I'd do that to a guy if he fucked me over, but it'd sure be a temptation and I can see why people do it. Somebody fucks you, get them back where it hurts--since obviously they don't give a shit for your feelings, maybe you gotta hit 'em in the wallet)

I read "The Rules" once, just out of curiosity. I couldn't believe it, it was like a joke of a book. I've never known anyone who would try any of that bullshit!! Are there actually people who do??

I don't have sex right away in a relationship, but that's because that's what's right for me. If someone wants to see it as playing games and playing hard to get, they can go right on ahead. Anyone worth their salt will understand my reasons.

I can see what Mercurior is saying. It's what lots of men think, not what Mercurior PERSONALLY thinks. Think about this: you're at the casino, and there's two machines. One that has 10% chance of winning, and one that has 25% chance of winning. Most people would play the latter.

Personally, I think it's terrible that it's gotten so bad that people have to be so bitter. So much distrust these days. I understand having been through hell, but it doesn't mean everyone is like that. Take people as individuals, just as you would want them to take you.

Marriage is a wonderful thing with the right person. I'm insulted at:

"A woman should feel a lack of respect to want marriage in an era where she has options to take care of herself."

Marriage is so much more than dollar signs, and it seems so many people have forgotten this.

k12144, in my case i knew about rowan practically from the first day, there was something special about her, with her i can be myself, theres no changing each other to be the perfect other.

for some it works, i want to get married, because that will help her spend more time with me, i know her.

i trust her completely and she trusts me. and i cannot, will not betray that trust. in my heart we have been married from the first day we met.

in our case it works.. for others it wouldnt..

exactly geist. its sad that men feel they have tp look elsewhere, because of a certian group of women, ruining it for everyone else.

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

Geist Wrote:
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> Marriage is a wonderful thing with the right
> person. I'm insulted at:
>
> "A woman should feel a lack of respect to want
> marriage in an era where she has options to take
> care of herself."
>
> Marriage is so much more than dollar signs, and it
> seems so many people have forgotten this.

If marriage was not about dollar signs, women should not accept the diamond wedding rings or the expensive gifts just because they are legalizing their fucking via marriage. Women DO NOT need marriage due to being able to earn a living. Marriage is really about getting a man to take care of a woman.

K12144, it is your decision when you want to have sex with someone. Waiting is not bad, either, since some people will stay in situations because they feel "in love" if they had been intimate very early on before the warning signs of the other person. Waiting until marriage is also fine. I just hate the games when women only do this to get the guy to call back or whatever. And...you're right how many men also lose interest in sex but think the wife should just live like "brother and sister".

With a live-in situation, it is better just to have your own stuff. What happened to you was horrible. Most men will just toss a woman's belongings out when he tires of her. Separate bank accounts is always better. I hope your new fellow is a better person.

I do not agree about hitting a man in the wallet just because he does something in the marriage that hurts the woman. Why should a man lose his house or other assets just because he had sex with another woman? Why should a man have to pay out to a woman just because he no longer cares about her? I can see why most men are leery of marriage because women have entitlement issues when it comes to a man and his money. Marriage has become about punishing the other person and using anything for a woman to feel entitled to a man's money even if she brought zero into the union.

Traditional marriage is not guarantee that a man will NOT want to play with a "new set of boobies" as the live-in situation. I know that had to hurt a lot. Many married men are tired of monogamy and are out there looking & doing it even if the wife believes the man is being faithful. I really believe traditional marriage is more of a trap for a woman as she can support herself unless is sick or something. In a live-in situation, a woman can get out a hell of a lot easier without the legal drama if the relationship takes a turn. So can a man...

My feelings is that a man should support his children in the event of a divorce. The children should be not be expected to have a lifestyle that is expensive. The custodial mother does not have a right to spend the child support on herself or feel entitled to use it as "income" for a car loan...even though that is allowed. A lot of women also misuse child support payments. The kids will be in shit rags while the moo is dressed very well with her manicured fingernails.

In my own opinion, no woman deserves a settlement and to hurt the guy in the wallet because she got her feelings hurt in the marriage. To me, that equates to prostitution where a woman suddenly wants payment for being a man's wife because she did not like that the marriage ended. Whatever happened to self-respect??? I do not understand why females feel so entitled to raid the ex's bank account or wallet just because the guy may have done some things that were beyond "not very nice"? In the event of a divorce regardless of reasons, each party should leave with what they came with to the marriage or financially contributed to the union. Having a cunt should not give a woman special treatment.

i have given rowan a silver and CZ ring, yes i would love to give her a diamond ring, but thats my choice, she loves cz and silver. its about the meaning of the rings, a lot of people have asked her are they real, i say of course they are real.. (real cz and silver), men are pressured to buy diamonds and gold by the press, by adverts by the women themselves..

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I know this sounds crazy, but not every woman gets married for money, or jewlery for that matter. Speaking from experience, I loathe diamonds. The way they're mined, advertised, and the whole monopolistic way they're traded disgusts the hell out of me. In fact, I loathe money, most people who have it have so much they just buy stupid bullshit so they can keep up with the Joneses. Amazingly enough, some people are happy where they're at, and while it'd be nice to have a 42" plasma screen television, they know that a. it's not in the budget, and even if it were, b. the tv we have works just fine. I know many many people with the same mindset who are just fine where they're at, and are happy simply to have a roof over their heads, an interesting job, a full belly and reliable transportation.

I just felt I needed to remind everyone that there are lots of folks in the world who aren't greedy, image obsessed assholes. Of course, I hang out with a bunch of weirdos who think the only thing they don't have enough of is freedom to enjoy their lives on their own as they see fit.

yes, i agree feh, but some go the whole hog, some dont, to me its the meaning of the items. rather than price, (yes i would love to get her a diamond, because she has a qualification in gemstomes and gemstone cutting)

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I know someone personally whose engagemnet ring is silver with CZ, not platinum and diamonds, and she wears it proudly and loves it. Do you know WHY she loves it; because she loves her FIANCE, the man who gave it to her. She doesn't care about big fancy rocks, gifts, or anything else. She just wants to spend the rest of her life with her soulmate. It is NOT about getting him to take care of her, it is not about legalizing sexual activities. They want to be married, and are happy to do so. She will have her career, also. This is NOT about getting her fiance to take care of her.

I have also known women who have divorced, and asked for NOT ONE RED CENT from their husbands, and neither did the husbands ask from them, and they are still good friends to this day and only want each other to be happy in life.

Marriage with the right person is about love, and it is a shame that people these days have become so hardened to this.

Life would be very cold indeed if all we cared about was money.

Hell, I should have read the rest of the comments before I posetd, but one really got to me.

Mercurior, Rowan sounds like the girl I know here. It's nice to see others who could care less about gifts, etc.




>I just felt I needed to remind everyone that there are lots of folks >in the world who aren't greedy, image obsessed assholes. Of course, >I hang out with a bunch of weirdos who think the only thing they >don't have enough of is freedom to enjoy their lives on their own as >they see fit.

Feh, ITA.

Geist, I never took money from a former spouse and we are not "friends" but I do not dislike the man any longer. The last husband did take from me and a friend I know is having to justify his assets to some cunt who put nothing into the marriage. I would like to see the working fiance years after her spreading her legs has been legalized by marriage and what she will be like in divorce court. If she loves him so much, they do not need a legal document to verify their "love". Most of those bitches do change when divorce happens even though they claim they want zero from their "soulmates" when they say their wedding vows. After the wedding vows, Guest was right how a secure woman is most men's nightmare. I am sure my ex was shocked that I did not fight for any $$$ as most cunts would. Please...it is not a shame that I or anyone else is hardened about marriage. It is just a fact of life. Ask anyone who has been taken in marriage or divorce and you will see this "institution" is really an outdated thing that women no longer need for survival.

Geist, I truly do apologize for the outburst when you mentioned your friend and her "soulmate". My comments were out of line regardless how I feel. Having a bad day and dealing with looters in my life and a friend's life via divorce is not a reason to take it out on your post even if I still think the same of marriage. I do wish your friend and her soulmate well. I feel as I do because one in two marriages end in divorce and the fallout is often horrible to the male even if there are no children involved. It used to not be this way...

"yes, i agree feh, but some go the whole hog, some dont"
But don't you see, that's their CHOICE, and whether or not they do it is no real concern of mine, except it is because I am disgusted by it and belive that sort of thinking is destroying our humanity. There isn't much I can do except to make the conscious choice to not care about those things, and not deal with people on a serious level who do care about those things. Of course, that's just me being selfish as I hate talking about what's fashionable, what's cool, and what "everyone" has to have because it's mind numbingly dull and the only way I can relate to it is through mockery.

I'd take a CZ/silver ring over a diamond any day. I'd rather backpack through Tibet or South America with the rest of the money.
Currently, I am reading a book called "Hunting and Gathering" by Anna Gavalda (postponed due to HP, Year 7). Here a line I really like:

"She hated this area, where money had the least amusing things to offer: bad taste, power and arrogance."