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I can't remember where I heard this story or where it comes from (and I might be butchering it) or who it's about, but there was once a man way back when that had the choice of whether to use a some sort of farming machine that saved him needing the labor of 40 men, or to actually hire 40 men. I think the man asked about the jobless unhappy men he saw all over the place, getting into mischief and just lolling about because they weren't needed anymore. 'Oh those? They aren't needed anymore. You can save money with the machine."
In the end he decided against the machine, because it was better for everyone in the area to hire the men, then to have the machine take away jobs and leave them jobless and poor.
I think this is the downside and the under-discussed darkside of technology, in that there are sooo many eager to taut it's benefits and sing it's praises, but nobody wants to talk bad about it, even when it's negative effects are very real. I'm wondering if there might come a point whether or not one has to decide about getting a labor saving machine that benefits (and profits) oneself, or to think of the community at large and give someone a job.
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I think this is the downside and the under-discussed darkside of technology, in that there are sooo many eager to taut it's benefits and sing it's praises, but nobody wants to talk bad about it, even when it's negative effects are very real. I'm wondering if there might come a point whether or not one has to decide about getting a labor saving machine that benefits (and profits) oneself, or to think of the community at large and give someone a job.
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Sure we may be able to live longer but we won't be allowed to, Medicare is already tossing old people out of hospitals when they are still sick.
The future is not going to be intellectuals with free time learning and exploring (lol), it will be more like Soylent Green with hordes of hungry dirty breeders grubbing for food and money. At least the way it's going now.
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-> I think that it depends on the "income" and what you can "buy" for it. If there were f.e. different courses at the colleges which would be affordable then it could happen. But all in all, I have a problem with one thing. I believe that most people are motivated to learn something new because the new skill promises them f.e. an advancement in their careers. They have a concrete motivation, a goal. A very few people will pursue further education for nothing.
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-> I think that it depends on the "income" and what you can "buy" for it. If there were f.e. different courses at the colleges which would be affordable then it could happen. But all in all, I have a problem with one thing. I believe that most people are motivated to learn something new because the new skill promises them f.e. an advancement in their careers. They have a concrete motivation, a goal. A very few people will pursue further education for nothing.
I agree.
And even if people wanted to take the college courses for the sake of learning, who exactly would pay for those courses? [ie., the professor, the building, the heat, electricity, maintenance, etc.?] The students? They can't because they don't have a job, remember? Machines and computers and automation do most of the work.
Generally speaking "the masses" do not do well when presented with lots and lots of free time, nothing to do, and no obligations. The data shows depression, drinking, drugs, and unwanted pregnancy. I'm not sure why the techno-optimists think that the future is going to be filled with intellectuals debating philosophy while machines do all the work. I believe it will be a few people at the top who own all of the capital and the machines, and a whole lot of hungry people who have a very hardscrabble existence.
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No, there will still be jobs....serving the ruling class and fixing their machines.
As an example, I just read an article about how Disney World ticket prices have outpaced inflation. Disney knows who to squeeze for $$$ and it's definitely not Joe Sixpack and family.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2015/06/12/how-theme-parks-like-disney-world-left-the-middle-class-behind/
Only one way to resolve this: starve 'em out. Don't spend your money on their overpriced trinkets. Grow your own food. Buy local goods. Shop secondhand. You're stuck buying some things like medical, utilities and insurance but you can shop smarter. Don't make these greedy, spoiled fucks any wealthier. I don't work hard just to give my money away to rich people.
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Grow your own food. Buy local goods. Shop secondhand.
Since I heard about Michael Reynolds and his self-sufficient houses,
I cannot stop thinking about it. It's like a step in the right
direction - a step to independence.
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@ blackpearl: "I'm though pissed beyond god that most of the electronics nowadays are impossible to fix. They make them in such a way that you either can't fix them or fixing is more expensive than buying another one."
-> it has even a name :-( - planned obsolescence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
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I have a suspicion there are going some really large ghettos, with a bunch of really broke and starving people living there. Most countries already have such ghettos. I see them getting bigger as jobs are being eliminated, resources getting more more expensive due to overuse and shortage, living spaces being more crowded due to people migrating out of worse areas and trying to find something better.
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