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mumofsixbirds
Ummmm.....okay. People are gettin' stranger and stranger.
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mumofsixbirds
Ummmm.....okay. People are gettin' stranger and stranger.
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cfdavep
I was talking to a relative about this case and she is a person who feels that you can do everything to change your sex and you will still be the sex you were born with, that transmen are "muliliated females" and are therefore mental. She says that a woman can't fully can't become a real man because the now man does not have a "working penis" I assumed she meant that if it is not "working" then the transman cannot impregnate a woman. So does this mean that a man with a vasectomy is not a man, since his "dick doesn't work" or that if a woman has a hysterectomy she is no longer a woman. There are men and women who feel that way. Some men see CF men with a vasectomy as like a neutered cat or dog, living unnaturally and some women see a CF woman with a tubal as, I guess a "dyke", not quite a woman. IDK
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cfdavep
I was talking to a relative about this case and she is a person who feels that you can do everything to change your sex and you will still be the sex you were born with, that transmen are "muliliated females" and are therefore mental. She says that a woman can't fully can't become a real man because the now man does not have a "working penis" I assumed she meant that if it is not "working" then the transman cannot impregnate a woman. So does this mean that a man with a vasectomy is not a man, since his "dick doesn't work" or that if a woman has a hysterectomy she is no longer a woman. There are men and women who feel that way. Some men see CF men with a vasectomy as like a neutered cat or dog, living unnaturally and some women see a CF woman with a tubal as, I guess a "dyke", not quite a woman. IDK
Re: Transman sues because doc removed both overies August 03, 2017 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 3,576 |
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cfdavep
But no matter how we approach our lives, there are certain immutable truths that come from the universe, one of which being that the DNA in our bodies is coded as male or female. No amount of make-up, dress-up, or even surgical procedures will change that. That's the reality that we are faced with.
The brain of a transperson is different from the brain of a "normal" person. That I learned on either Discovery or TLC.
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craftyzits
The brain of a transperson is different from the brain of a "normal" person. That I learned on either Discovery or TLC.
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craftyzits
Is that the 'ladybrain' stuff you are talking about? (That women or men are born with brains that match their gender, and that trans people are born with opposite gender brains.) I thought that stuff was ddisproved some time ago. Now if it's stuff that says their 'perception' doesn't match with what is reality, then there is something different, but it's in the same 'family' of body perception disorders like those people who think they have extraneous limbs, or who think they are cats, or feel like thry are literally dead.Quote
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cfdavep
But no matter how we approach our lives, there are certain immutable truths that come from the universe, one of which being that the DNA in our bodies is coded as male or female. No amount of make-up, dress-up, or even surgical procedures will change that. That's the reality that we are faced with.
The brain of a transperson is different from the brain of a "normal" person. That I learned on either Discovery or TLC.
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contemplativeintrovert
I am torn. On the one hand, I completely agree with you, StudioFiftyFour. Words have meaning that we assign to them. You can say that the definition of a particular word is invalid and that {other object} is {word}. In this country, the first amendment allows you to do that without government prosecution. However, people also have the right to disagree with you, and you shouldn't slander them for doing so. For instance, a cat is a warm blooded animal that has X and Y physical characteristics that separate it from all other animals. While a cat has some general features in common with other animals, it is still uniquely a cat. Now, if someone came up to you, showing you a picture of a horse, and said "look at this cat," you would raise a brow at them. That is fine, however, as they have a right to call a horse a cat if they wish. Now, suppose someone came up to you, showing you a picture of a horse, and said "look at this cat." In reply, you tell them that the photographed animal is in fact a horse, and they call you transphobic, homophobic, Islam o phobic, and sexist {because if you disagree about trans people, they insist you are all of those things.} That is not right. Call a diamond a spade all you like, but don't browbeat people who call a spade a spade. {Side tangent, but see 'trans species' people on YouTube, who insist they are cats born in human bodies}.
On the other hand, for the sake of being empathetic, I don't want to argue with trans people. I am asexual and I've had plenty of people tell me I'm mentally ill because I don't experience sexual attraction and have no desire to frickfrack.
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LoveToLurk
This conversation reminds me of the pregnant "man" who was really a female to male transgendered guy who had kept his lady parts. It was touted as some sort of medical miracle. The SJWs were out in full force for that one, no science allowed. Even I was rolling my eyes, and I am pretty liberal when it comes to that stuff.
Re: Transman sues because doc removed both overies August 04, 2017 | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 3,576 |
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Is that the 'ladybrain' stuff you are talking about? (That women or men are born with brains that match their gender, and that trans people are born with opposite gender brains.) I thought that stuff was ddisproved some time ago. Now if it's stuff that says their 'perception' doesn't match with what is reality, then there is something different, but it's in the same 'family' of body perception disorders like those people who think they have extraneous limbs, or who think they are cats, or feel like thry are literally dead.Quote
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cfdavep
But no matter how we approach our lives, there are certain immutable truths that come from the universe, one of which being that the DNA in our bodies is coded as male or female. No amount of make-up, dress-up, or even surgical procedures will change that. That's the reality that we are faced with.
The brain of a transperson is different from the brain of a "normal" person. That I learned on either Discovery or TLC.
That I don't know. However, regardless if it is perception or actual physicality, the reality the Transperson feels is the same.
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I have no problem with addressing a person using whatever pronouns are requested. I generally assume that people know themselves better than I know them, and know better than I do what they want.