Medicaid for illegals' babies

DOnt know who wote this on the rants page....Doont care but is this really the attitude alot of people in America have of "illegals"??



think illegals and thier children are great. They come here and work for nothing. They are some of the hardest workers I have ever seen! I get my entire house cleaned for $40 a week! Another $40 gets my yard looking like a golf course! They know that if they don't do a good job I can get someone else in there later the same day. If they steal somthing they know I will call immegration. I have been doing this for years and can leave cash lying arround without a problem. They do all the jobs no American wants to do, and they are happy for the work. They will never collect SSN or any big insurance payouts. They still have to pay sales tax on purchaces. They still have to pay rent somewhere, eat, drink, etc. Thier kids might get a public education in some crappy area, that's really not a big deal. Thier children will be the next generation of minum wage workers. We will always have a need for them! I don't really see a downside...


How fucked is this???????

If illegal immigrants want the same rights you and I have, they can go through the process of coming here legally. At times, I wanted to live elsewhere but realised that I could not just wander into those countries and expect to live as an illegal alien. Certain freedoms in the countries I was interested are not my rights or freedoms because I was not born there and am not a citizen.

Certain rights in my family belong to me and not a stranger because of birthright. I could not be expected to give an inheritance to someone else who demanded it because s/he thought I had a better life.

Laws against illegal immigration do not threaten my freedom unless I do try to bring someone in illegally. I agree that it is f*cked that illegals work for next to nothing. That is why I would never hire one for any type of domestic work because it states I support illegals coming and others making a profit or exploiting them for cheap work.

Fair enough....

Its just sad thats all. I cant help but feel sorry for people who unfourtunatley thorough no fault of their own who hate where they live so badley they flee illegally into another country.There is never any malice involved as just like anyone they just want a better life for themselves.

P.S. to my last post:

I am also tired of taxes going to American women via welfare who breed like mad and do not work to support their babies. I saw a WIC advertisement on the Lynx bus. I was not happy to see a Hispanic woman and infant photographed. When I worked in a grocery store as a bagger many moons ago, it was mostly white women who used the WIC coupons.

Blossom Wrote:
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> DOnt know who wote this on the rants page....Doont
> care but is this really the attitude alot of
> people in America have of "illegals"??
>
>
>
> think illegals and thier children are great.
> They come here and work for nothing. They are
> some of the hardest workers I have ever seen! I
> get my entire house cleaned for $40 a week!
> Another $40 gets my yard looking like a golf
> course! They know that if they don't do a good
> job I can get someone else in there later the same
> day. If they steal somthing they know I will call
> immegration. I have been doing this for years and
> can leave cash lying arround without a problem.
> They do all the jobs no American wants to do, and
> they are happy for the work. They will never
> collect SSN or any big insurance payouts. They
> still have to pay sales tax on purchaces. They
> still have to pay rent somewhere, eat, drink, etc.
> Thier kids might get a public education in some
> crappy area, that's really not a big deal. Thier
> children will be the next generation of minum wage
> workers. We will always have a need for them! I
> don't really see a downside...
>
>
> How fucked is this???????
Um, I'm pretty sure most corporate executives feel exactly this same way. They aren't quite as easy to control as the rest of us, even though they number much, much fewer.

aiutWhy can't "illegals" have the same rights you do? because we are citizens and show respect to the country we live in. people today go through paperwork, to stop undesirables to come in, the drug lords, the terrorists, etc.. if they are all allowed in with no papers, then why not open your borders to everyone give everyone money when they arrive and they dont need a job as the government will provide.

Why do you believe it's okay to take money from me at the point of a gun?
Dont Understand this bit


Why do you support a welfare system that allows the people who abuse it by having as many children as they can exist?

we dont support it, regardles of race.


This isn't about illegal aliens, this is about basic god given freedom, and you seem to oppose that. Just remember, if you take someone's freedoms away, it can come back and happen to you.

basic god given freedom.. oh boy, god has got nothing to do with it, in essence what you want is america to be open to everyone, dont you since you dont see illegals as breaking the law. why not let all muslims in, the bad extremists, why not let the nazi's in. you cannot let everyone in. and who's god, one god says its ok to kill western people for they will go to heaven, are they right.. i live in the UK, a different world from you, and i see the problems of unrestricted immigration. and its not god gave you the rights, you fought for those rights.. god doesnt just come down and automatically gives you rights and responsibilities, 1776 war, you fought for freedom, and you got it.. god didnt say ok go off be americans instead.. it was people who did it

if their country is so bad, they can claim asylum, political, religious persecution, they can come there with visas, then start the paperwork. isnt that better than sneaking across. shouldnt these people have the RESPECT to become citizens.

its not all everyone deserves to drink in the pond of america because america is the great provider.


timsgirl also mentions marc stevens basically he is an anarchist, everyone has the right to kill anyone else, because there is no such thing as a nation. and they cant make laws

**In "democracies" and so-called "democratic republics," slaves are given the false choice of choosing new masters. The old plantations can be seen as "political subdivisions" such as "cities," only smaller: "nations" have "presidents," "states" have "governors," "counties" have "commissioners," "cities" have "mayors" and plantations have masters**

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

When you put it like that I can see what you mean... Its just sad with the innocents thats all but I hear what you ar saying.Its a different world we live in today and I guess we all have to protect our borders against undesirables like you say.
I dont want to seem like a pessimist but I am going to come across like one when I say this but I think its allready to late...

Yea big buisness would love the illeagals for sure... Exploitation is just one of many words I can think of to describe it. Really bad Karma.

in this world of freedom to travel when and where, you have to have some controls, or well you get a completely chaotic system. yes it is sad, but why dont those illegals try to fix their own countries.. then they wouldnt need to come.. its may be harder but its infinitely more rewarding.

i am a pessimist too, but my pessimism is never as bad as the reality i see. if everyone criminals, terrorists, people with bird flu or whatever come in.. thats a threat to your way of life.. if they allowed people with TB into the country, they could infect others look at the zombie and other end of the world films, yes these are extreme cases.. but it can happen.. without adequate controls on who come in or not.. life will be so much worse for everyone.

****http://www.his-forever.com/signs_plagues.htm

Thirteen cases of plague including two deaths have been reported in the western United States this year, the highest number of cases in 12 years, health officials said Friday.

Seven cases were reported in New Mexico, three in Colorado, two in California and one in Texas, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Two New Mexicans died _ a 54-year-old woman who grew ill in May and a 43-year-old woman who became sick in July.

On average, about seven people a year are diagnosed with plague, CDC officials said. Fourteen cases were reported in 1994. **

http://lungdiseases.about.com/b/a/178392.htm


Update: Illegal Immigrants May be Bringing Tuberculosis Into U.S.
Government officials believe illegal immigrants are responsible for spreading tuberculosis to the U.S. Most illegal immigrants come from countries where health care is inadequate, and/or the immigrants lived in poor areas where they do not or can not seek proper health care. This puts them at risk for developing and dying from curable diseases, such as tuberculosis.

Recently, 40 Cuban immigrants were detained in Brownsville, Texas, when they told U.S. Customs agents they had tuberculosis. Even if just one of the forty immigrants tests positive for tuberculosis, they are all at risk for developing the disease.

All forty Cuban immigrants are scheduled for tuberculosis testing. If they test negative, they will be released. If they test positive, they will be "held in quarantine at the Bayview Detention Center". Read full article...


http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/matteelli.htm

cluster of 22 imported malaria cases, 21 caused by Plasmodium falciparum, was observed among illegal Chinese immigrants in northern Italy in the summer of 2000. During the summer of 2000, several Chinese immigrants were admitted...

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol10no11/04-0624_13.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/seys.htm

Malaria cases reported to the Minnesota Department of Health increased from 5 in 1988 to 76 in 1998, paralleling the number of immigrants to Minnesota. In 20% of cases, the Plasmodium species was not identified; 44% of cases were hospitalized. The public health community needs to reevaluate current recommendations for refugee screening, provider and patient education, and laboratory capacity.


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these are not just the only reasons, there are many others when you need to control who comes in.. by all means become a citizen. but illegals have no controls, if they kill someone, they may be deported, or put in prison, or they may run.. you just dont know who you are letting in, in the case of illegals



in an ideal world.. ok.. but this isnt an ideal world. and we have to live in it.

if anyone can come in, they can be anyone at all and have their own particular problems, which directly affects you. and everyone around you.. not just medically, but financially, emotionally, physically..

should we allow anyone into our countries.. and let god sort them out.. or should we only allow those in who want to be part of the country, make immgration laws easier, yes.. but dont let illegals cross with no controls at all. give the immigrants a full medical check up.. but make sure you know who you are letting in..

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I agree there has to be controls when traveling and during immigration procedures, Mercurior. If there should be no thing as "nationalism" or The State, illegals as well as government...or even one of our own people...can claim that our homes - regardless if we rent or are buying - should also not be ours but should belong to everyone meaning that anyone and everyone should be allowed to move in. After that, the "uninvited guests" could force us to support them in our own residences or we would be forced to leave in exasperation! This has actually happened in places like Cambodia where the socialist or communist parties took over.

A lot of illegals are criminals trying to escape prosecution in their own countries. In my old neighbourhood of San Rafael, California, many of the Central American and Mexican illegals were criminals. Their behaviour in the Bahia Condos and elsewhere throughout the Bay Area proved it enough. I doubt these people were so pristine when they came over and then turned to sexual harassment, sexual assault, statutory rape, lewd behaviour in public, theft, drunken & disorderly conduct, drug charges, and so forth started to happen once they step foot on US soil.

Americans are quick to want to be wary of Muslim immigrants and student visas because of how many, who seemed to be good citizens, sided with the terrorists as well as being part of these evil plots. I am wary of "profiling" but it makes sense to check certain passengers in airports. Little old ladies are not going to carry bombs onto planes. However, checking young Caucasions is also not a bad idea as we had a few of our own converting to Islam and then fighting with the Taliban or others like them after going to school in Pakistan.

If we want certain Arabs checked at airports, we also cannot deny what illegals from certain nations do as well. Blossom, you are correct how it is bad Karma to exploit illegals when it comes to paying them very little for work. That is on a private scale as well as a corporate one. I also do not get the "gun thing" as the penalties are very severe against a person who uses a gun during a crime.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36906.html

This article presents three different views on the subject, and comes out pretty balanced overall. Worth a read.

Why don't they try to change their own countries?

Seems like a simple thing, however, if you've ever worked for a group that IS trying to change things for the better, you will find it to be the most unrewarding, unsupported and thankless task you ever embark on. The relationships you build between people are great, the people you work with are excellent, the wider society however, an awful bunch of frightened sheep who just want things to stay the same. Trust me, I do it every day, and this is America, where I don't have to worry too much about getting hauled off to jail for distributing condoms,telling people how to keep themselves safe, or shooting my mouth off about any subject.

In most of the "worse off" countries, to try to build any movement for social justice means not only putting your life on the line, but the lives of your family, friends and the people in your neighborhood. To try to build any sort of movement for social justice means that you are willing to die, be tortured or imprisoned for your beliefs. It means you are willing to watch your children be killed, your aunts, uncles and parents be tortured. It means that you are willing to stand in front of a government sponsored militia and hope that they won't decide to start shooting into the crowd. In alot of these countries, mass public demonstrations are illegal. Unionizing is illegal, striking is illegal, and speaking ill of the goverment is illegal.

It's nice to think that any group can organize and change things for the better. It's quite easy to assume as you relax in your easy chair, after you just got done posting a particularly scathing rant against your government on the internet, that anyone can do this simply, safely and easily. This is very much NOT the case in most parts of the world peole are trying to flee from.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

Hear...hear, Feh! It is very easy to tell someone else to do the social justice work. Even in the US, it is dangerous to get involved. For example, I did abortion clinic work from 1998 - 2000. It was one of the roughest social justic work I had ever done! Being called names by the pro-lifers and their protesting clerics was bad enough. My license plate number got written down which got me a letter to my HOME with the statement that I had better repent before the Christian God got ahold of me. Nothing was threatening but it was still scary. The letter went to the local FBI office where the agent took it seriously after learning where I did my clinic work. That location was hot-bed of activity from the anti-abortion crowd. I should have never even opened that letter due to the possibility of poisons in the envelope! On another CF board eons ago, a woman snidely asked what *I* did for the abortion rights movement. If she only knew...

if its that bad they can claim asylum and work from that angle. as did the cubans did, it may take years but..

in that time they would be working for a more settled country. there has been underground revolutions, in china tiannamen square, the american and british civil wars.. it is possible. even if they fund underground systems. there are always ways and means, but to become an illegal, doesnt mean they should be rewarded.

if they want a real change they will apply for asylum, they will work within the country they have moved too. to make the changes.

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Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

I know, it seems so easy. Speak up, and people will follow. Leave your country, get the word out and everyone will support you. Please remember however that there hasn't been a successful major social revolution since the east/west german wall came down, and even then it wasn't really due to internal social forces, but external economic forces. The guy who stood down the tanks in Tieneman square? I believe he's dead now, or had to flee the country....and really China hasn't changed all that much socially, just economically.

And lets look at some of the "successful" social revolutions of the past...
East Timor, finally gained independence from China with the help of the international community and at the cost of over 1/3 of the population. That's 1 out of every 3 people dead.

South Africa, with the help of the international community, blacks finally gained rights equal to those of whites. Again, members of that movement were often times jailed, tortured and beaten or outright killed. It was quite common for the mass demonstrations to end in massacres. Rioting in the streets and government corruption combined with years of brutal oppression has not made for a safe and secure society yet. However they do have a great constitution.

America. The civil rights movement was a great thing. Yay for us! Again, however it involved beatings, bombings, lynchings, mass killings, entire towns being burned by KKK, and as a result? Now, black folks can vote, sometimes. Black folks make up most of the prison population - even though they commit crime on the same levels as white folks. Black folks can't get mortages, but can get payday loans at 500% interest rates. The good thing is, black folks can ride anywhere they want on the bus and drink from any public fountain...Our melting pot is AWESOME!

Try,just for moment, to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Imagine for instance that you do live in a third world slum.
1. you do not have access to a comprehensive education, good nutrition, decent housing, or even drinkable water. Electricty and indoor plumbing are unheard of luxuries. You do not have a cushy mattress, or more than maybe a couple changes of clothes.
2. the area you live in does not have regular policing, crime is rampant and may indeed be controlled by the gangs of militas fighting eachother with guns for control of the streets you live in. you may indeed be forced to pick a side, and if you choose unwisely, you will be lucky to simply lose your life.
3. You can not move freely from neighborhood to neighborhood, or even from street to street at certian hours.
4. you may have known people who did speak out against, or stand up to, the goverment or militias, and more likely than not, you also knew that they disappeared for a while. They were then found lying on the street with every finger and limb broken, every orifice violated, missing their nails and dead.
5. What you know of the great societies of the west is this...they fund the militias (sometimes both sides) and their companies provide the guns, ammo, heliocopters, power drills and landmines that make your life hell. They also put themselves forth as the great ideal of an equal society. You know that everyone has a chance at opportunity in the US, because that's what the US tells you. You know who Ronald McDonald is, even though you may have never eaten a Big Mac. You know that Mickey Mouse represents some amazing place where everyone is happy and all their needs are met.
6. If you are a woman? You usually don't get the choice of keeping or aborting a baby. You oftentimes don't get the choice of when, or with whom, you will be having sex. More often than not, your body is something to be used for whatever purposes another sees fit. If you are lucky, you get killed afterwards. You don't get to learn to read, and you certianly don't get to have a cushy office job where you can spout off on the internet every day.

What this means is, you don't get to save money. You don't get to apply for a passport. You don't get to stop by the corner store for a candy bar when you have the munchies. You don't get a teevee, computer, or game boy. You don't get much to take your mind off your situation. You don't get to speak up and say "this is wrong" or "no, you can't have my land" or "no, I'm not going to shoot those people". You don't get to say "I'm a pacifist, and I'm lying in the street to protest your corrupt policies". You get to be either cannon fodder, or a target.

Seriously, many places in the world are brutal, horrible, nightmares of the most awful things people can do to eachother and controlled by groups who are only interested in maintaining, or gaining, power at all costs. To claim from the safety of your warm living room with a full belly, that it is an easy thing in such instances to either change your situation, or leave and get others to help the situation chage, is simply naive.

Oh yeah, and about Cuba.
Castro still runs it and we still send the industrious folks who make boats out of cars and plastic barrels back if they don't make it to land...if they make it to land, THEN they magically become asylum seekers and allowed to stay. Little has changed, don't believe the hype.

"It truly is the one commonality that every designation of humans you can think of has, there's at least one asshole."
--Me

Sometimes the best way to help is to do nothing at all. As long as people, governments, etc., have virtually unlimited support, they have no incentive to do anything to help themselves. Mexico is an excellent example of this. Why would they want to make their homeland a better place, when they can just come here, illegally, and demand the rights and protections that only American citizens are legally allowed to claim? How can we support all of those people? We can't.

It is unfortunate that the conditions in so many countries are as bad as they are. They had to get that way, somehow. But, the US cannot absorb the costs each and every time. The whole world is not entitled to a slice of the American Pie. We're already the most generous country in the world, and we won't be for long if we don't start insisting that someone, somewhere, stand on their own two feet. People everywhere need to take responsibility for their own situations. I'm not saying that will be easy, or pretty, but if not now, when?